Squads And Player Ratings

[Butterytingz]

why are all ratings over 80?? for every country !
50-60 standard club player
60-70 good club player normal international
70-80 good international
80-90 pretty damm awesome
over 90 god eg bod in his day carter mabey pocock and like 2 others

i agree. i think its because everyone thinks that <50% = FAIL

 

[HowieLO6]

why are all ratings over 80?? for every country !
50-60 standard club player
60-70 good club player normal international
70-80 good international
80-90 pretty damm awesome
over 90 god eg bod in his day carter mabey pocock and like 2 others

Bingo. We have a winner.

Adding to this, i'd want to see weaknesses really taken into account, ie backrowers like Spies having high speed ratings, yet not having particularly high ratings overall.

 

[staph.glorious]

why are all ratings over 80?? for every country !
50-60 standard club player
60-70 good club player normal international
70-80 good international
80-90 pretty damm awesome
over 90 god eg bod in his day carter mabey pocock and like 2 others

Well it doesn't matter what bloody number you pick as long as its consistent. No one before has really mentioned what their own personal ratings mean, or how the scaling works, and you just step in with an arbitrary system and apply it to everyone else. What's above "pretty damn awesome"? "Gnarly and bodacious, man!!"?

I'll suggest one for pig iron's sake - lets have the mean rating of a 30 man squad equal their IRB World Ranking. Start>Programs>Accessories, y'all!

 

[DuncTheDoodle]

Simply because we've now seen the stats on which players are rated, here's a couple of random ones because I've got nothing else to do:


James Hook

• Primary Position: Fly-Half
• Secondary Position: Centre
• Alternate Position: Fullback

Attributes

• Attack: 88
• Defense: 78
• Speed: 82
• Acceleration: 80
• Agility: 85
• Handling: 89
• Passing: 87
• Kicking: 85
• Kicking Power: 87
• Goal Kicking: 88
• Tackling: 77
• Strength: 70
• Rucking: 62
• Scrummaging: 20
• Hooking: 20
• Lineouts: 20
• Discipline: 78
• Aggression: 60
• Stamina: 84
• Consistency: 75
• Temperament: 80
• Creativity: 89
• Bravery: 82

Special Skills

• Passer
• Playmaker
• Goal Kicker
• Tactical Kicking

(Unless there's a limit of 3, as in previous ***les, in which case remove Tactical Kicking.)

Adam Jones

• Primary Position: Tighthead Prop

Attributes

• Attack: 43
• Defense: 72
• Speed: 40
• Acceleration: 36
• Agility: 30
• Handling: 74
• Passing: 82
• Kicking: 53
• Kicking Power: 60
• Goal Kicking: 23
• Tackling: 76
• Strength: 92
• Rucking: 85
• Scrummaging: 96
• Hooking: 70
• Lineouts: 85
• Discipline: 80
• Aggression: 59
• Stamina: 77
• Consistency: 84
• Temperament: 85
• Creativity: 12
• Bravery: 75

Special Skills

• Ball Winner
• Scrummager

 

[stuartdonnelly91]

Seeing as no one has done it yet... My prediction for Australia based on their IRB rating of 87.45... and yes I realise Australia aren't licensed but I figured in the spirit of rating teams they should be given some recognition in the hypothetical situation they were in the game.

1. Ben Alexander - 85
2. Stephen Moore - 84
3. Benn Robinson - 85
4. James Horwill - 84
5. Nathan Sharpe (vc) - 85
6. Rocky Elsom (C) - 86
7. David Pocock - 91
8. Wycliffe Palu - 81
9. Will Genia - 90
10. Quade Cooper - 92
11. Digby Ioane - 84
12. Matt Giteau - 85
13. Adam Ashley Cooper - 85
14. Drew Mitchell - 86 (if recovered from injury)
15. Kurtley Beale - 87

Team Average - 86

Bench-
16. Saia Faingaa - 83
17. Ben Daley - 84
18. Mark Chisolm - 82
19. Scott Higginbotham - 81
20. Luke Burgess - 78
21. Anthony Faingaa - 82
22. James O'Connor - 86 (1st XV if Drew Mitchell is injured)

 

[martini]

my team ratings
nz 93
sa 90
aus 90
ireland 88
france 87
eng 85
wales 84
arg 82
sco 81
fiji 80
samoa 79
tonga 78
italy 78
japan 73
usa 72
canada 70
georgia 69
romania 67
russia 64
namibia 62

my star players
nz carter,sonny bill,
sa brussow,hougaard,m/f steyn
aus elsom,o'connor
ireland o'driscoll
eng ashton,fodden

 

[04perryo]

Bingo. We have a winner.

Adding to this, i'd want to see weaknesses really taken into account, ie backrowers like Spies having high speed ratings, yet not having particularly high ratings overall.

Yer i would agree with that. Also i have to say ur the first Warriors supporter ive seen on this forum!!! Good on you

 

[big ginger 8]

ireland o'driscoll
eng ashton,fodden

So you ranked Ireland higher but gave England more star players. At the very least Heaslip will be one. Cases could also be made for PO'C, Ferris and Bowe. Also I think AJ said there wouldn't be star players.

 

[ed4]

England

Team rating: 84

1 Sheridan 85
2 Hartley 84
3 Cole 83
4 Deacon 83
5 Palmer 85
6 Croft 86
7 Haskell 84
8 Easter 82
9 Youngs 86
10 Flood 85
11 Cueto 84
12 Tindall 82
13 Tuilagi 83
14 Ashton 86
15 Foden 87

16 Thompson 80
17 Stevens 81
18 Lawes 83
19 Moody 83
20 Care 84
21 Wilkinson 85
22 Banahan 83

R Chuter 79
R Corbisiero 80
R Shaw 80
R Fourie 82
R Waldrom 81
R Wrigglesworth 79
R Hape 82
R Armitage 81

Impact Players: Croft, Youngs, Ashton

 

[Toko_11]

It will be really unfair if the Georgian Top 14 players are given ratings between 60-75.

 

[HowieLO6]

England

Team rating: 84

1 Sheridan 85
2 Hartley 84
3 Cole 83
4 Deacon 83
5 Palmer 85
6 Croft 86
7 Haskell 84
8 Easter 82

This is the point at which I tend to stop reading.

I can see the logic. England won the Six Nations (quite why England are ranked beneath France by many is beyond me; comparative to Ireland in terms of ability, but better depth) so we should have a good team throughout. Not so.

Easter is an appalling 8th man. He harks back to the old school Dean Richards-esque type of number 8. No mobility, poor in support. Quite simply, there is not a number 8 currently starting for one of the "big ten" that i wouldn't pick over Easter and should subsequently be ranked as such. Likewise Haskell. The man is a gym rat, nothing more. Picking him over our captain? Really?

And don't get me started on Deacon.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I don't like Haskell at all, but he did better in the 7 shirt the last 6N than Moody has in a long while

 

[04perryo]

Why don't u like haskell. He is strong quick and works a lot everywhere around the pitch. In my opinion his personality seems pretty nice as well

 

[ed4]

This is the point at which I tend to stop reading.

I can see the logic. England won the Six Nations (quite why England are ranked beneath France by many is beyond me; comparative to Ireland in terms of ability, but better depth) so we should have a good team throughout. Not so.

Easter is an appalling 8th man. He harks back to the old school Dean Richards-esque type of number 8. No mobility, poor in support. Quite simply, there is not a number 8 currently starting for one of the "big ten" that i wouldn't pick over Easter and should subsequently be ranked as such. Likewise Haskell. The man is a gym rat, nothing more. Picking him over our captain? Really?

And don't get me started on Deacon.

Deacon because in the 6N he seamed to forge a good partnership with Palmer and also he is a far more consistent performer than Lawes.
Haskell because he had a very good 6N and unfortunately Mad dog hasn't performed as well ever since he left Tigers
Easter is unfortunately at the moment the best we've got. He isn't great no but on the other hand Waldrom hasn't been proven in an England shirt of of yet. Also Waldrom if you ask most Tigers fans is a little overrated, yes he's a great ball carrier but he doesn't even compare to crane in the set piece.

 

[Shimon]

Using the IRB rankings:

(1) NEW ZEALAND 93.19 =93
(3) SOUTH AFRICA 86.44 =86
(2) AUSTRALIA 85.45 = 85
(4) IRELAND 82.51 =83
(5) ENGLAND 82.48 =82
(6) FRANCE 82.06 =82
(7) WALES 79.55 =80
(8) ARGENTINA 78.97 =79
(9) SCOTLAND 77.35 =77
(10) SAMOA 74.55 =75


Change it up with player progression etc. No way in the world aus or sa should be in the 90's.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Deacon because in the 6N he seamed to forge a good partnership with Palmer and also he is a far more consistent performer than Lawes.

Since when is being consistently pants considered a good thing? :huh:

 

[RedRoseDave]

ENGLAND AND OUR RANKINGS!

I would like to say that England should be better then no 5 in the world but being honest with ourselves we are not.
The top 3 I believe would crush the rest of the world 4/5 times. Then only Ireland are above us and although they had a bad 6N they showed up against our stongest team in years and made us look like bad club team. If Ireland can man handle us like that what do you think the ABs or Oz will do to us?

What worries me about alot of English rugby fans is that the majority of us have become insular with regards rugby. We dont watch the Celtic league so therefore we think the preimership is better and that Ireland have no dept. When infact the Celtic league have much the better teams then the Premiership.

Also from the list of 5 players for top european player of the year....England had none on that list, Ireland had 2 and the eventual winner.
Look at our club teams? We have won 1 heineken cup in 7 years and this year the only reason Northhamton made the final was because of the easy group and very easy draw they had the whole way to the final.

Im very worried about England at the world cup...we are filling ourselves with false hope built on insular ideas and no proof.

 

[big ginger 8]

People saying England has more depth this isn't the case.

Props-England
Hookers-Ireland (ecspecially once Struss qualifies.)
Second rows-about even
Backrows-Ireland
Halfbacks-about even
Centres-Ireland
Backthree-Maybe Ireland

This is based on the amount of international class players available in these positions.

 

[RedRoseDave]

I agree that we (England) have blown ourselves up yet again with no real grounds to stand on.
Sure we finished top of the 6N...but look how bad all the teams were and if you dont win a grand slam its not really a win is it.

Im afraid we have built our players up so much that when they fail we will all wonder why and make up some excuse.

Thankfully we are in a pishh easy group with the easiest possibly route to the semi final!

 

[big ginger 8]

I agree that we (England) have blown ourselves up yet again with no real grounds to stand on.
Sure we finished top of the 6N...but look how bad all the teams were and if you dont win a grand slam its not really a win is it.

Im afraid we have built our players up so much that when they fail we will all wonder why and make up some excuse.

Thankfully we are in a pishh easy group with the easiest possibly route to the semi final!

Where Hopefully you'll lose to us.

In fairness the England team is based around a good core of players. Cole, Lawes, Croft, Youngs and Foden.