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Brazil have a team (Cobras) in SLAR, but their union is strapped for cash and there are apparently logistic issues with developing the game in such a huge country (the suggestion is they can't copy the Uruguay or Chile model). A few years ago they had a decent generation of players but they seem to be regressing badly.
 
Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
Sorry, but I can't resist!



Brazil have a team (Cobras) in SLAR, but their union is strapped for cash and there are apparently logistic issues with developing the game in such a huge country (the suggestion is they can't copy the Uruguay or Chile model). A few years ago they had a decent generation of players but they seem to be regressing badly.
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I appreciate the information. I forgot all about the Cobras. I'm 62 and find myself forgetting things more and more.

USA 15s is bad, everyone knows that. When it comes to international rugby we're a 7s nation, and pretty good one.
 
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Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
Sorry, but I can't resist!



Brazil have a team (Cobras) in SLAR, but their union is strapped for cash and there are apparently logistic issues with developing the game in such a huge country (the suggestion is they can't copy the Uruguay or Chile model). A few years ago they had a decent generation of players but they seem to be regressing badly.
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Very good video (especially if you turn the sound off). Some really great tries ( like that one on 0:30 😍) and loved the final score 😍 (@Al Bangor 😜😜😜 )
 
2016 seems a lifetime away for Brazil.

Chile A 36 - 27 Brazil A (yesterday)

I've read suggestions that despite being an u23 side, this is still a decent strength Chile side. But this is still pretty dire for Brazil in my opinion, even though it was played in Chile. I see coach Fernando Portugal was appointed in 2019. I think questionmarks must be raised about his ability with Brazil's record over the last 15 months or so. I struggle to believe that the quality of available players in Brazil has plummeted quite so much despite the creation of a professional side in the Cobras. Getting spanked by the likes of Zimbabwe, Kenya (both improved a bit) and Chile u23s is just horrible for a side that defeated the US 6 years ago.

If they lose either of their forthcoming fixtures against Paraguay and Colombia, who both have a handful of pro players only, then I think it should be back to the drawing board for Brazil.
 
Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
2016 seems a lifetime away for Brazil.

Chile A 36 - 27 Brazil A (yesterday)

I've read suggestions that despite being an u23 side, this is still a decent strength Chile side. But this is still pretty dire for Brazil in my opinion, even though it was played in Chile. I see coach Fernando Portugal was appointed in 2019. I think questionmarks must be raised about his ability with Brazil's record over the last 15 months or so. I struggle to believe that the quality of available players in Brazil has plummeted quite so much despite the creation of a professional side in the Cobras. Getting spanked by the likes of Zimbabwe, Kenya (both improved a bit) and Chile u23s is just horrible for a side that defeated the US 6 years ago.

If they lose either of their forthcoming fixtures against Paraguay and Colombia, who both have a handful of pro players only, then I think it should be back to the drawing board for Brazil.
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ehh they were a team that played 10 man rugby and no longer have Reeves at 10 (or at least prime kicking Reeves). Their wins against Chile and Canada in 2019 were all PKs. They never had much attacking structure and might have been the worst ball in hand team in the high performance tier of the Americas.
 
die_mole said:
ehh they were a team that played 10 man rugby and no longer have Reeves at 10 (or at least prime kicking Reeves). Their wins against Chile and Canada in 2019 were all PKs. They never had much attacking structure and might have been the worst ball in hand team in the high performance tier of the Americas.
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I'm not saying they were anything special, although Sancery and Duque were decent backs. Now they cant even play anything like 10 man rugby and their 1st team is losing to age grade neighbours. Everything is relative. I think 2016 Brazil would beat this current crop by a good 10-15 points and they are one of the few Tier2s and 3s to have taken a clear backward step in real terms (ignoring their position relative to others).

The German implosion, Belgian regression Hong Kong Covid are probably the only other three I can think of that have gone backwards.
 
die_mole said:
https://www.aplenorugby.com.ar/site.../72081/argentina-prepara-una-nueva-franquicia
has a quote from South America head of performance indicating they are planning a second Argentine team
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Houcarde says there'll possibly be a new argentine franchise next year, and two years after that he hopes that maybe there will be 3 or 4 franchises from Argentina. He doesnt mention any other country (even when back in 2019 and 2020, there were talks of two brazilians and two uruguayan team). He also says thel'll be looking to keep World Rugby financing part of the league expenses (that was suppose to end on 2023), with the arguments of Chile's and Uruguay's results, and then complains that covid didnt let them play home and away, and because of that it was harder to secure sponsors. So, I'll say the expansions would depend on how much financing we can get from WR.

After talks about the "system" in argentina, and how before we had a best 60 players professionaly hired, only half of them playing something at the vodacom cup (back in 2011/12 with pampas XVs) and now there is 84 argie players playing within the SLAR teams, and that the objective of the expansion is giving the argentine players that dont make an impression at a young age, have a path to profesionalism, and to stop them going to second and third tier leagues abroad.

He mentions absolutely nothing about the other countries, makes you thinks he works for the UAR, and not as South America head of performance...
 
Al Bangor said:
Is Rugby played much in Brazil? My guess is it's not because I don't hear about it. It would be a good place for SLAR to promote the sport. Lot's of people there.
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Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
Sorry, but I can't resist!



Brazil have a team (Cobras) in SLAR, but their union is strapped for cash and there are apparently logistic issues with developing the game in such a huge country (the suggestion is they can't copy the Uruguay or Chile model). A few years ago they had a decent generation of players but they seem to be regressing badly.
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Brazil surprised me and had a relly good showing (for what everyone expected) at the first years of the americas rugby championship, and showed why they were chosen over paraguay (besides the size of the market and money, obviously), which always was the country with sooooome rugby tradition after uruguay and chile. And then got a franchise named corinthians, with the football club paying for the naming, with rumors suggesting another one named after santos.

Then covid happened, the 2020 season was cancelled and the ARC got axed, then corinthians changed to cobras, and showed only poor performances on the league. And every game I saw of brazil after that was awful.

Covid really delayed professionalization on south america, especially in Agentina, ceibos was disbanded, jaguares kick out of super rugby, and jaguares XV never again invited to the currie cup first division, we went from 3 pro teams, with talks of having a second on super rugby, and a second on the slar, to only a tier 2 one. We only had more depth and options than Brazil
 
Lucas R said:
Houcarde says there'll possibly be a new argentine franchise next year, and two years after that he hopes that maybe there will be 3 or 4 franchises from Argentina. He doesnt mention any other country (even when back in 2019 and 2020, there were talks of two brazilians and two uruguayan team). He also says thel'll be looking to keep World Rugby financing part of the league expenses (that was suppose to end on 2023), with the arguments of Chile's and Uruguay's results, and then complains that covid didnt let them play home and away, and because of that it was harder to secure sponsors. So, I'll say the expansions would depend on how much financing we can get from WR.

After talks about the "system" in argentina, and how before we had a best 60 players professionaly hired, only half of them playing something at the vodacom cup (back in 2011/12 with pampas XVs) and now there is 84 argie players playing within the SLAR teams, and that the objective of the expansion is giving the argentine players that dont make an impression at a young age, have a path to profesionalism, and to stop them going to second and third tier leagues abroad.

He mentions absolutely nothing about the other countries, makes you thinks he works for the UAR, and not as South America head of performance...
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He also says that the calendar will remained the same, ending in may, to give the clubs and and the national teams their players, again looks to serve argentina more than south america or the league. Doesnt mention nothing about georgia, or spain/portugal. Nothing about a match with the MLR winner either, as it was said before the 2020 season got canceled, another set back from covid
 
Brazil squeak past Paraguay 31-28 and then thump Colombia 52-13 to win the Sudamerican Tri-nations. Brazil sit between Belgium and Netherlands in the rankings which is sadly about right.
 
https://www.elciudadanoweb.com/reun...o-copa-santa-fe-y-franquicia-en-la-superliga/

Here it says that the rugby union of rosario, shoots for a franchise in 2024, given that the expansion team next year seems to be almost certainly in tucuman.

It also says that by rules of the argentine union, only the UAR can have profesional teams. So the provincial unions only act as intermediaries. Even when they finally profesionalized the sport, they do it on the most stupid way posible
 
Lucas R said:
https://www.elciudadanoweb.com/reun...o-copa-santa-fe-y-franquicia-en-la-superliga/

Here it says that the rugby union of rosario, shoots for a franchise in 2024, given that the expansion team next year seems to be almost certainly in tucuman.

It also says that by rules of the argentine union, only the UAR can have profesional teams. So the provincial unions only act as intermediaries. Even when they finally profesionalized the sport, they do it on the most stupid way posible
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Interesting article. Thanks for sharing it. 👍
 
Brazil and Cobras coach (same person) dismissed. Seems to be a very sensible assessment of recent performances as being totally unacceptable in my opinion.

https://www.americasrugbynews.com/2...ad-coach-with-josh-reeves-in-on-interim-role/
I'd have hoped they'd get someone in before any EOYTs and certainly before the new SLAR season. I'm very curious to see just how bad (or not) this batch of Brazilian players is.
 
Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
Apparently this interview with Chile rugby suggests SLAR will be re-branded to Super Rugby Americas and include sides from Canada and the USA (presumably Raptors). Sadly I'm a monoglot so this all second hand.

https://www.alairelibre.cl/noticias...acion-de-rugby-detallo/2022-10-02/000456.html
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Yeah, its ten minutes talking about chile's next steps, that I didnt really pay much attention, he say they going to romania, and the were gonna play against leinsteir, or another irish team, already forget. And then says exactly that in a sentence, but doesnt mention raptors. Thankfully he also says the matches will be home and away and no longer in a bubble.

Dont know how I feel about it, american and canadian team will not only mean fewer professional teams for Argentina, and would greatly reduced the chances for more teams from uruguay and chile. And would set the SLAR in competion agaisnt MLR, I like it better when the chapions were suppose to have a final match.
 
Lucas R said:
Yeah, its ten minutes talking about chile's next steps, that I didnt really pay much attention, he say they going to romania, and the were gonna play against leinsteir, or another irish team, already forget. And then says exactly that in a sentence, but doesnt mention raptors. Thankfully he also says the matches will be home and away and no longer in a bubble.

Dont know how I feel about it, american and canadian team will not only mean fewer professional teams for Argentina, and would greatly reduced the chances for more teams from uruguay and chile. And would set the SLAR in competion agaisnt MLR, I like it better when the chapions were suppose to have a final match.
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I don't think the expansion to NA limits SA, but it's a pretty desperate attempt to get TV money (and in fairness a desperate attempt that needs to be made to make SLAR sustainable). The above article suggests you'll still get a second professional Argentine side.

Good for Canadian rugby to get a second Pro side although I'm doubtful how strong these NA sides will be. Plus I think it's a bad sign that Tier 2 countries across the world are increasingly splitting their resources between multiple professional competitions. It shows a lack of confidence in the long term prospects of a competition that already exists to start messing about with a second one. It also probably shows dysfunctional factionalism within different unions.
 
die_mole said:
I think it might be a bit of an appeal to WR for funding. Including non WC nations in bigger markets might be a draw for WR.

apparently SLAR has confirmed. https://www.aplenorugby.com.ar/site.../72877/sudamerica-confirmo-cambios-en-la-slar
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Yeah, but Canada and the US are already involved in a professional league. I'd be curious what those unions takes are on it. Surely they wouldn't want MLR undermined? I can't see this being an honest effort supported by WR to raise the standard of US Rugby by 2031 but they did make a curious statement after the US lost to Chile that the MLR was the pro arrangement "for now".

Still, more teams in a Tier2 pro league, I shouldnt complain (except for poor Colombia).
 
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Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
Rumours of Georgian Black Lion becoming American.

https://www.americasrugbynews.com/2022/10/06/slar-set-to-add-north-american-teams-in-2023/
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looks like Atlanta might have some competition for fans?
Meme Reaction GIF by Travis
 
It seems the change to Super Rugby Americas doesn't suggest any sort of future connection with Super Rugby. Not surprising, but I can dream this might change if APAC takes off and the gap between continents closes. Otherwise it's a strange choice for a rugby championship. Out of all the possibilities you just pick Super Rugby again and make it difficult for people to search online for your tournament?

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/super-rugby-boss-rules-out-japan-or-us-teams/
 
Bruce_ma gooshvili said:
I don't think the expansion to NA limits SA, but it's a pretty desperate attempt to get TV money (and in fairness a desperate attempt that needs to be made to make SLAR sustainable). The above article suggests you'll still get a second professional Argentine side.
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I blame the clubs for being so attach to amateurism, they say is because they want to protect the """"values"""" of rugby, if there was a professional league with the club, there would be a lot of fans and tv money, but noooooo. Everyone knows they just want to keep poor people away...

Anyway, I didnt see anything about the second franchise that was suppose to be anounced on the 12th
 
If the American Raptors (Colorado) and Pacific Pride (British Columbia) do play in SLAR, I think it will be temporary. I predict they'll both eventually end up in Major League Rugby. In the Raptors case, a return to MLR (formerly Glendale Raptors and Colorado Raptors).
 
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