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We've had a number of threads on here asking how to get fit for rugby, and the cardio/weights needed to do so, so I thought I'd make a thread that we can all share our wisdom.
I'll put what I've gleamed from the net on here, and then everyone else can add what they know below, and this can be the first port of call for anyone looking to get info on fitness.
If you have any questions then just post up and I, or anyone else, will do our best to help out!


Cardio:
Rugby is knackering, anyone who's played (or watched) the sport can see how much CV fitness is needed to play. To get this you need a mixture of both base fitness and sport specific fitness.
Long runs on the treadmill will get you fit, but won't do a massive amount for your rugby game (imagine sticking a marathon runner in a rugby game – they'd flag).
You want to be mixing a mixture of long slow cardio (LSD) – so running, cycling, rowing, swimming, anything to get your heart rate up for an extended period of time, with shorter sharper work.
Sprints, intervals, fartlek training – this is the other part of the fitness. Sprinting is self-explanatory – going balls out for a certain distance or time. Intervals is doing that repeatedly, either with a break at the end or with slower pace in between, which is known as Fartlek training. An example of fartlek training would be to run 30m then sprint 10m, then run 30m then sprint 10m etc.etc. – this is fantastic for fitness work.
The ideal would be to do your cardio as running, as it's obviously closest related to your work on the rugby pitch, however you can easily do your intervals on a rowing machine, a bike or even a cross trainer, which would be easier on the joints/low impact if you're carrying any injuries etc.
There are a lot of simple fitness drills that many people will be familiar with from training sessions – one that I did at training recently involved setting up three cones in a line, about 10-15m apart. You lie in a press-up position in the middle cone, then get up and sprint to the one in front, drop to the press-up position, back up and run backwards to the middle, drop to the press-up position, up and sprint to the one behind you, drop down again, then back up and sprint to the middle. Repeat until you die.

Strength/Weights:
Free weights are your friends! You want to be using free weights for as much as possible – they allow a natural range of motion and engage more muscles/stabilisers etc.etc. and are just generally better than machines! You may still want to use machines like the leg press or the hamstring curl, but your main work should be done in the free weights section.
Your workouts should be built around "The Big Three" – Squats, Deadlifts, Benchpress. These are your bread and butter, and you could do just these three movements and get a decent full body workout – they're all compound movements which mean they utilise more than one muscle group. The deadlift, for example, uses pretty much everything in the movement. You can then add in rows, chin-ups/pull-ups etc. to meat it out a bit more.
Compound movements are always better to use, as they give you "functional strength". Isolation movements are all well and good for body builders/people who lift for looks/aesthetics, but if you're going for strength go for the compound. When's the last time you saw someone bicep curl someone off of a ruck? Ab exercises as well – avoid crunches and sit ups. Go for things like planks, dragon flags, weighted/hanging leg raises, dumbbell/plate side bends – work your core not your abs. A strong core is vital.
If you're new to weight lifting then the best (in my opinion) program to follow would be Stronglifts 5x5. It's a very simple program – there are two workouts, you train 3 times a week (A-B-A, B-A-B etc.) and only do a few movements each session. You start on very low weight and increase by 2.5kg each and every session. You squat twice a week, which is handy for rugby where leg strength is very important. You can download the e-book about the programme here: http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5x5-beginner-strength-training-program/ (scroll down to "DOWNLOAD NOW") – it's well worth reading the e-book even if you decide not to follow through with it, as it has a lot of good information in there.
If you're more experienced with weights you can start adding in more complicated movements like power-cleans, snatches, clean and jerks etc. – though you'd want to be taught these, ideally, to avoid any chance of injury.

Agility/Speed:
Plyometrics is the name of the game for this. Fantastic for increasing speed and getting your body used to/better at explosive movements. It's hard to explain, so it's best to google sprinting plyometrics (or American football, as there's a lot of training programs for that out there too). In essence, though, it's jumping. Squat jumps, lunge jumps, hopping, bounding, etc.etc.etc.
This video will give you an idea of what you'll want to do:

If you wanted to go a bit more serious with your training you can implement extra equipment in to your training. Resistance parachutes to be used in sprinting, agility ladders, hurdles, prowlers (weights sleds).

Nutrition:
A lot of people seem to think that necking a protein shake is going to get you hench, but it's simply not true. They're called supplements for a reason: they supplement your diet. You want to betting as much of your protein etc. from real foods, then adding in a shake or two (plus whatever else you want to add) to supplement this. It's pretty simple to eat well, just eat whole, clean foods – fish, steak, chicken, eggs, brown rice, wholemeal pasta, loads of vegetables – avoid too many junk foods/sweets.
It's fairly easy to work out how much protein/carbs/fat you should be taking in (your macro-nutrients). Read through this blog post to get a basic understanding of macros and work out a basic rate to meet your goals.





This is just a starter post, so everyone else post up your tips and tricks, drills, programmes, anecdotes and experiences etc. :D
 
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Good post! I like Olympic Lifts myself over say a Starting Strenght scheme as I see that as a very powerlifting oriented scheme. Cleans, High Pulls/halfclean, Full Squats, Front Squats take my fance more and seeing most of them are rather explosive. I think they suit Rugby better. But SS is a great way to build up strenght as a beginner.
 
just looked at that 5x5 thing and it looks quite good, also I cant believe its free
 
For the bigger guys like myself there's a few tips to help you when you start out...

Depending on your weekly training programme, you should keep one day out for core/balancing...

yes, this includes Sit-ups, crunches, moving your pelvis, doing movements like you're busy shagging a ghost and so on...

The more you focus on your core and getting your balance better, the easier it will become to work with the Weights, especially free weights... when I started out, and did things like squats or lunges, i would fall over after the second rep, but because I focused more on my core and balance, I have improved dramatically in the strength dept already...

And don't become discouraged when you stand on a scale and it doesn't look like you haven't lost any weight... always remember that muscle weighs more than fat...

I've been doing rugby excercises for the past 6 months as a basis in my training programme and I went from a very fat 121kg tub of lard, down to a 112kg guy with still a bit of a belly but looking and feeling a lot better about myself, and I can actually buy clothes at most clothing stores...

My strength has also increased dramatically, for a guy who never bench-pressed in his entire life, I can easily bench-press 80kg's in intervals of 10-15 reps...
 
This: <cite>www.elitefts.com/ws4sb/WS4SB.pdf or 5/3/1 for football by Jim Wendler </cite>are probably the two best routines for anyone who wants to get fit for rugby.

Cardio wise sprinting up hills is probably the best approach, with distance running kept to a minimum. There is little point running over 3 miles.

Your strength straining shouldn't intrude on your rugby training - relative to both other sports and the weight lifting community rugby players aren't actually that strong, e.g. Brad Thorn only being able to Back Squat 205kg. You should focus on getting your strength up to the 'base' stage - generally accepted to be Back Squatting 1.5x your bodyweight, deadlifting 2x your bodyweight, and benchpressing 1.2x your bodyweight.

Then your focus should be on getting explosive and powerful, olympic lifts are hard to teach and require years of practice to do right - contrary to popular believe if you do a normal lift with a lighter weight as explosively as you can, for 3-8 sets of 3 reps, you will get more explosive. e.g. a front squat or a bench press or a push press.

Don't neglect any bodypart in an attempt not to train like a boddybuilder - by all means compound exercises are the best for building muscle, but there is absolutely no point in not doing a couple of sets of bicep curls at the end of your workout twice a week. If you don't train muscles they are just waiting to get hurt.

Don't overtrain, in season weight lifting 3x a week, training twice a week and one game is more than enough work already. You will not help yourself if you overtrain - getting up every morning to do sprints for half an hour will probably just make you slower and tired.

Strength and fitness is 90% diet. That is what you need to nail. I guarentee that someone who only spends 5 hours a week on his strength and fitness but has his diet totally nailed will be fitter and stronger than someone who has a **** diet but trains much more/much better.

Random fact: many professional rugby teams do not want their players doing barbell bench presses - only close grip barbell bench presses. The reason for this is it is bad for their shoulders and makes them vunerable in a sport where shoulders are already very vunerable.
 
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Oh, its getting FIT for rugby :p
 
General thing to do to make sure your training actually works:

Pick a routine and stick to it for at least 8 weeks. Don't get paralysis by analysis; 100% of the time a friend will tell you something or you'll read something about starting a new routine, think it will work better for you, and you'll do that instead. This will not work. I know people who have effectively done this every week since they started training, and make no gains.

Remember, even if you just do an exercise once a week, if you add 2.5kg each week, you will have increased that lifft by 20kg after 8 weeks. Which, if you weight about 12 stone, is 26% of your bodyweight on whatever lift you increase.

You shouldn't expect instant results. A good rule of thumb is that you have to do something 14-15 times to notice a difference> You weight train 3x a week, and you should expect some visible results after 5 weeks. You shouldn't expect to notice a difference the next morning, and don't train so you will (e.g. don't do countless repetitions to get a 'pump'. If dieting, after weeks you should notice a difference if you are doing it right, as you will have changed what you eat for 14 days straight.

If you are simply a fatty (e.g. very overweight) I'd do the Dukan diet first and foremost. Like I said in a previous post, diet is KEY!!!!!
 
I started taking the weights part of my training very seriously a few years ago, doing compound exercises high weight/low rep and taking lots of protien but found I was getting heavy and struggled to get round the pitch, I was stronger but was that out of breath in the last 20 it didnt advantage me at all at the breakdown (I play flanker). So I started doing high rep pyramid exercises. So I would bench press a much lower weight but do 15 reps, then add 2.5kg weight and do another 12-15 reps, add another 2.5kg really push for 12-15 reps then take off 2.5 kg and go backwards until I was back at my origanal weight again pushing to do 15 reps. This is much harder work IMO than the high weight low rep. I lost a bit of weight and was able to go at a more constant work rate during the game. I also binned the weightgain 4000 protien shakes and now take a simple recovery drink after exercise. This worked for me but Im not claiming it will work for everyone.
 
I started taking the weights part of my training very seriously a few years ago, doing compound exercises high weight/low rep and taking lots of protien but found I was getting heavy and struggled to get round the pitch, I was stronger but was that out of breath in the last 20 it didnt advantage me at all at the breakdown (I play flanker). So I started doing high rep pyramid exercises. So I would bench press a much lower weight but do 15 reps, then add 2.5kg weight and do another 12-15 reps, add another 2.5kg really push for 12-15 reps then take off 2.5 kg and go backwards until I was back at my origanal weight again pushing to do 15 reps. This is much harder work IMO than the high weight low rep. I lost a bit of weight and was able to go at a more constant work rate during the game. I also binned the weightgain 4000 protien shakes and now take a simple recovery drink after exercise. This worked for me but Im not claiming it will work for everyone.

Meh, David Pocock doesn't bench 170kg because it's fun and he enjoys it. If increasing your strength caused you to lose your fitness or get fat (probably a combination) then you weren't doing it properly, simple as.
 
Fun fact:
In the pre-RWC training camps, during one of the strength tests, Manu Tuilagi benched 90kg 38times, which was the most of anyone in the camp, back or forward

That's mmmmaaaaaaddddd
 
Meh, David Pocock doesn't bench 170kg because it's fun and he enjoys it. If increasing your strength caused you to lose your fitness or get fat (probably a combination) then you weren't doing it properly, simple as.

I bulked up and found it harder getting round in the last 20 minutes if I had been doing it wrong fine, just saying the way I do it now works better for me.
 
I found this from the Ospreys, who use it as a test for players and it is a strong indicator for athletic sucess. The so called Quadrathalon It is based on speed and power.

1) THE BROAD JUMP, The player stands behind a line and jumps as far forward as he can. The jump is measured in metres and take from the line to the closest landing heel.
2) THE TRIPLE JUMP, The start is the same as the Broad Jump but the player performs three continious jumps (bunny hops).
3) 30M SPRINT, taken from a standing start and timed.
4) MEDICINE BALL THROW, The player stands holding a 10kg ball to his chest, bending his legs the ball is launched forward. Distance taken from the start to the centre of where the ball lands.

Some results to compare from Ospreys.

R.Bayliss throw-8.64m, 1 jump-3.1m, 3 jump-9.3m, 30m sprint- 3.83seconds.
A.Waithe throw-9.11m, 1 jump-2.83m, 3 jump-9.5m, 30m sprint-4.03seconds.

A good site that has this test and loads of other sporting fitness info is www.brainmac.co.uk.
The test can be found at www.brainmac.co.uk/quad.htm

They have rugby specific info, studies of player work rates etc.
 

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