The Ukraine War thread

[McTallshort]

This is massive. Imagine a nation you are at war with driving lorries upto your airbases and swarming them with drones, taking out a large percentage of your strategic bomber fleet?

To say the Ukrainians don't have any cards after this is stupid. The Ukrainians continue to hit and destroy targets against a bigger, more powerful enemy almost with impunity.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The Ukranians didn't destroy any planes, the glorious Russian state simply designated them as newly formed permanent ground based airfield decoration.

 

[McTallshort]

The Ukranians didn't destroy any planes, the glorious Russian state simply designated them as newly formed permanent ground based airfield decoration.

Smoking accident

 

[AlRums]

The Ukranians didn't destroy any planes, the glorious Russian state simply designated them as newly formed permanent ground based airfield decoration.

They spread all the parts out for reassembly.

 

[McTallshort]

Ukraine at it again with those cards it doesn't hold

 

[AlRums]

Trump admin diverted 20,000 anti-drone missiles it promised to Ukraine and sent them to US troops, Zelensky says

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed that the Trump administration diverted 20,000 anti-drone missiles originally meant for Kyiv to American forces in the Middle East.

nypost.com

 

[McTallshort]

Now please be aware this is a very pro Ukrainian channel but this and other reports of the state of Russia's economy seems to be gathering momentum.

 

[General Melchett]

Now please be aware this is a very pro Ukrainian channel but this and other reports of the state of Russia's economy seems to be gathering momentum.

Hope it's true. I have heard a few commentators say that Putin's demise would likely be very sudden with him potentially getting bumped off. I just hope that TACO doesn't cut a deal with him and give him an out at the expense of Ukraine.

 

[McTallshort]

Hope it's true. I have heard a few commentators say that Putin's demise would likely be very sudden with him potentially getting bumped off. I just hope that TACO doesn't cut a deal with him and give him an out at the expense of Ukraine.

Well America has cut certain military supplies including air defence missiles in the last day or so instead of hitting Russia with more sanctions which could possibly have ended the war.

 

[McTallshort]

BBC Verify Live: Huge blast in Ukraine and unpacking Trump's mega-bill

Latest updates from the BBC's specialists in fact-checking, verifying video and tackling disinformation.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[McTallshort]

Vladimir Putin tells Donald Trump he will not back down from goals in Ukraine, Kremlin says

The presidents spoke for almost an hour in their sixth publicly disclosed conversation since Donald Trump returned to the White House in January.

news.sky.com

Art of the deal. Has it been 24hrs yet?

 

[Welsh Exile]

For the record.

 

[McTallshort]

I mean he could have ended it. Hit Russia with secondary sanctions and it's economy would collapse

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean he could have ended it. Hit Russia with secondary sanctions and it's economy would collapse

What is their economy like these days? Not saying you’re wrong (and even if you are I’d still do it anyway) but I remember similar stuff said when they got hit last time but they got through it (with the help of China?)

Rather we just armed Ukraine to the teeth to be honest.

 

[Ddanno]

Jesus, you like a bit of war eh?

 

[McTallshort]

What is their economy like these days? Not saying you're wrong (and even if you are I'd still do it anyway) but I remember similar stuff said when they got hit last time but they got through it (with the help of China?)

Rather we just armed Ukraine to the teeth to be honest.

It's economy has been very resilient up to now but that's been helped by the west not hitting Russia with those secondary sanctions, ie if you trade with Russia you get sanctioned as well. There are real signs now though that's it's creaking without them. Inflation is high and there are big shortages of food products. Contract soldiers get upto 10 times the normal monthly wage and it's currently on 30-40% GDP levels of military spending which is now really causing a strain. Yes it's economy has grown but thats down to massive spending.

The whole Russia is collapsing has been used far too often but from a western perspective our economies would have collapsed by now. It's only the normal Russians capacity to suffer and the fear of a common enemy (the West) that's stopping the government from collapsing. In most other countries there would be riots on the streets

 

[McTallshort]

Jesus, you like a bit of war eh?

You're right. Better to just let Russia win

 

[Yulia]

Men are not endless in Ukraine. They are already trying to catch everyone everywhere there, already talking about drafting women, the age bar of drafted people is going lower and lower etc. They were thinking how to catch all those men who left Ukraine but can't find effective ways. Who'll go to the front line?
My cousin was stopped on the middle of the road this winter and was taken to the base (had to literally leave his car on the road),thankfully his dad has loads of money and my cousin is not on the front line,not yet..
It's very easy to sit comfortably at home in Europe and talking about how Ukrainians should fight, how we can arm them to the teeth etc etc but reality is very different.
About Russian economy.. there's a good phrase in Russian "poka tolstiy sohnet- hudoy sdohnet", meaning while fat person is getting thinner,a thin person will die. Ukraine must negotiate somehow, that's it, otherwise they'll lose more territory and will follow Paraguayan variant if we're talking about men..
I'm not worrying about Russian economy, salaries are same, prices are same there, I'm more worried about situation in Poland for example, where prices are going extremely higher,fuel, electricity,gaz etc all are x3/x4 now

 

[Welsh Exile]

Jesus, you like a bit of war eh?

If I really loved it I I’d be saying send the troops but I do think that’s going a bit far. I prefer to do what I’d do if a fight broke out on a rugby pitch, stay out of it and let my forwards get stuck in.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Men are not endless in Ukraine. They are already trying to catch everyone everywhere there, already talking about drafting women, the age bar of drafted people is going lower and lower etc. They were thinking how to catch all those men who left Ukraine but can't find effective ways. Who'll go to the front line?
My cousin was stopped on the middle of the road this winter and was taken to the base (had to literally leave his car on the road),thankfully his dad has loads of money and my cousin is not on the front line,not yet..
It's very easy to sit comfortably at home in Europe and talking about how Ukrainians should fight, how we can arm them to the teeth etc etc but reality is very different.
About Russian economy.. there's a good phrase in Russian "poka tolstiy sohnet- hudoy sdohnet", meaning while fat person is getting thinner,a thin person will die. Ukraine must negotiate somehow, that's it, otherwise they'll lose more territory and will follow Paraguayan variant if we're talking about men..
I'm not worrying about Russian economy, salaries are same, prices are same there, I'm more worried about situation in Poland for example, where prices are going extremely higher,fuel, electricity,gaz etc all are x3/x4 now

Ultimately I believe in the right to let Ukraine decide for themselves if they want to fight.