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U.S.A. vs. Canada. RWCQ 1st leg, 17/08/13

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canadafan said:
Man, that list is looking much better. Pretty sure there are a few others on the list too. Of the up and comers:

Pierce (lock) (Pro D2)
McCann 1st5/FB Clermont Academy
O'Leary 1st5 Grenoble (Pro D2)
DSD loosehead prop (Northampton Academy) (I think)
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Pierce - Pau (Pro D2)
McCann - Clermont Academy (Top 14)
O'Leary - Grenoble Academy (Pro D2)
DSD - Leicester Academy (Aviva Premiership)
Sean Michael Stephen - Plymouth Albion (RFU Championship)
 
Josh Jackson was still lurking round Periguex last season in the Federale 1 as well, though won't feature for the national team again, Mark Kohler is with Coventry(sadly a step down from Bedford where he was last season)...plus some of the amateur guys are essentially semi-pro through the 7's program.
 
canadafan said:
It is still a much better looking squad than before, brings hope for the future.
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It is indeed, add Buydens in for Tieddemann and I like our starting XV quite a bit, need to sort out #10, there are exciting prospects but we are just kind of wiating for them to emerge. Hirayama is one of the world's best in 7's but can't replicate that form in XV's, Braid is average, Evans is out of position there, and everyone else is a little on the young side. It's a shame Monro couldn't stick around for most of this cycle. The CRC #10's are either a little older e.g. Blanks or don't have the quality eg. Daypuck....Piatek from the Blues looked like a decent prospect but he converted to League this year(and has helped the Wolverines immensly)
 
Isn't Underwood with the Blues squad this year, after he finishes with the NSMT of course. I think O'Leary heading to France is a great thing for us and he needs to be capped this November.
 
Little Guy said:
Josh Jackson was still lurking round Periguex last season in the Federale 1 as well, though won't feature for the national team again, Mark Kohler is with Coventry(sadly a step down from Bedford where he was last season)...plus some of the amateur guys are essentially semi-pro through the 7's program.
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Josh Jackson playing in Federale 2 now for St Medard en Jalles, his career is most def winding down, wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season. I completely forgot about Kohler, unfortunately, considering the quality we have in the backs atm I don't see any room for him in the national team setup.

It is funny, for a lot of our guys e.g. Kleeberger, O'toole, etc... I have a feeling they are going to have a lot of trouble cracking the lineup with all the depth we now have. IMO I think O'toole is done with the national team and with rugby in general.
 
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Canadian_Rugger said:
Josh Jackson playing in Federale 2 now for St Medard en Jalles, his career is most def winding down, wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season. I completely forgot about Kohler, unfortunately, considering the quality we have in the backs atm I don't see any room for him in the national team setup.

It is funny, for a lot of our guys e.g. Kleeberger, O'toole, etc... I have a feeling they are going to have a lot of trouble cracking the lineup with all the depth we now have. IMO I think O'toole is done with the national team and with rugby in general.
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I agree with you about O'Toole, talk about a massive fall from grace. One day he's dubbed "the best amateur player in the world" and gets snatched up by Ospreys and the next he's not even playing for the Rock. In my opinion his lack of confidence is his greatest enemy.

And I doubt Kleeberger will be squeezed out. When he's on form, we don't have a better fetcher- he's a turnover machine.
 
Canadian_Rugger said:
Josh Jackson playing in Federale 2 now for St Medard en Jalles, his career is most def winding down, wouldn't be surprised if this is his last season. I completely forgot about Kohler, unfortunately, considering the quality we have in the backs atm I don't see any room for him in the national team setup.

It is funny, for a lot of our guys e.g. Kleeberger, O'toole, etc... I have a feeling they are going to have a lot of trouble cracking the lineup with all the depth we now have. IMO I think O'toole is done with the national team and with rugby in general.
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I'm not even sure if Federale 2 is even semi-pro I beleive it's amateur, maybe he's working now in France and just playing rugby on the side. I think Kleebs will be back but agreed his path will not be one of floating into the side. Agreed on O'Toole, unless the 7's side wants him I think he's done, what a come down from his 2010-11 form.
 
CDN_Rugby said:
I agree with you about O'Toole, talk about a massive fall from grace. One day he's dubbed "the best amateur player in the world" and gets snatched up by Ospreys and the next he's not even playing for the Rock. In my opinion his lack of confidence is his greatest enemy.

And I doubt Kleeberger will be squeezed out. When he's on form, we don't have a better fetcher- he's a turnover machine.
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O'Toole is still listed for the Rock, will see if he plays this year. He hasn't even played any club rugby for Belleisle I don't think. I honestly think his year at the Ospreys is what did him in. He went over there with everyone placing super high expectations on him and when he didn't have such a good go it was a major shot to his confidence. I still think he can play some really good ball it's just getting him back to that mental state of wanting to play it. He is also 27 years old and doesn't have anything really to fall back on like education or some sort of job so maybe he has realized if he can't make any sort of coin playing rugby then it is time to hang up the cleats and get on with life.

As for Kleeberger, the reason I am saying it is going to be harder for him to crack the lineup is that you have a few guys who have emerged in the side since he has been out. You now have Ardon who is playing professionally for the Ospreys and you have Sinclair who is going to be a permanent back-row fixture for a long time. What I can see happening is maybe moving Carpenter to Hooker, sliding Sinclair into the Number 8 and bringing Kleeberger on but right now he is getting squeezed out in the numbers game. You also have Dala and John Moonlight, both of whom I rate very highly. Dala is awesome when he comes off the bench and is a real impact player, he is also a tackling machine. Moonlight is also a great tackler and is also a solid ball-carrier. I still see a place for Kleeberger in the lineup it's just their is far more competition now then their was before, which is why I think Kleeberger, after being off a year and having a bunch of new guys emerge, is on the outside looking-in and a guy like O'Toole is basically out of the team.

If anything I think the amount of competition we have going for spots on the team is a real benefit to the team and shows the massive improvements going on in Canadian rugby.

Btw guys, I have been checking out the Ospreys fan forum and from what I have read Jeff Hassler and Tyler Ardon have both really impressed in Pre-Season. Their was some concern that Ardon was going to be another O'Toole but I guess he and Hassler have looked really good.
 
The Eagles have named their extended side.....

Forwards: Chris Biller, Trevor Cassidy, Todd Clever, Peter Dahl, Cam Dolan, Brian Doyle, Zach Fenoglio, Eric Fry, Robert Garvis, Graham Harriman, Scott LaValla, Titi Lamositele, Samu Manoa, Shawn Pittman, Lou Stanfill, Phil Thiel, Nick Wallace, Travis Whitlock

Backs: Chris Chapman, Shaun Davies, Luke Hume, Seamus Kelly, Toby L'Estrange, Taku Ngwenya, Folau Niua, Mike Petri, Blaine Scully, Robbie Shaw, Roland Suniula, Andrew Suiniula, Chris Wyles
 
USA Rugby hasn't officially announced that yet so hopefully when they do they'll say which players are unavailable. I find it hard to believe Siddall couldn't find a place in the squad if healthy.

Also interesting to see Lamositele there again. Kid is only 18, which is young for an international any position but especially prop. I wonder if he's actually in the mix for the match day 23 or if he's there for the experience.
 
norcalbuff said:
USA Rugby hasn't officially announced that yet so hopefully when they do they'll say which players are unavailable. I find it hard to believe Siddall couldn't find a place in the squad if healthy.

Also interesting to see Lamositele there again. Kid is only 18, which is young for an international any position but especially prop. I wonder if he's actually in the mix for the match day 23 or if he's there for the experience.
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Is Siddall the guy trying to nail down a contract in the Aviva Premiership?

Lamositele better be there just for the experience, if not he will get done at scrum time.
 
canadafan said:
Is Siddall the guy trying to nail down a contract in the Aviva Premiership?

Lamositele better be there just for the experience, if not he will get done at scrum time.
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Tolkin said various players are just called up to test them out in training as opposed to actually be a contender to play which explains why there are quite a few rookies in their squad.
 
canadafan said:
Is Siddall the guy trying to nail down a contract in the Aviva Premiership?

Lamositele better be there just for the experience, if not he will get done at scrum time.
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Scully is the guy and he's impressing. Yet Tolkin doesn't have a whole lot positive to say about him and instead has a man-crush on Kelly who simply isn't ready yet.

Lamositele might just be there for experience again and 18 is damn young for any international, let alone a prop, but the kid is very talented. He's probably more in in-season mode after the HSAA tour of Argentina than the rest of the guys in the USA camp, too. He will hopefully feature in the ARC in the fall.
 
The Eagles that are currently in camp scrimmaged Life last night. Report says Niua and Dolan stood out.

The Eagles are in Charleston, S.C., preparing for their August 17 World Cup Qualifier test match with Canada. The Eagles welcomed Life University’s Elite Training Squad for a scrimmage held at the Citadel Friday. Life’s Elite Training Squad is a hybrid team consisting of selected players from Life’s undergrad and post grad teams.Under clear skies with temperatures in the high 80s and humidity at 82%, the teams played four 20 minute periods with unlimited substitutions. The pitch was in excellent shape but the ball was greasy due to the humidity.
Life gave the Eagles a good run but the Eagles rose to the challenge giving a strong defensive game that kept Life out of the try zone despite Life getting within the USA five-meter line on a few occasions. The Eagles scored three tries, including an impressive grub kick from USA fly half Toby L'Estrange that was touched down by Seamus Kelly for the Eagles’ initial score. Two of the Eagles’ tries were converted. The final score was USA 19 – 0 Life University.
After the scrimmage, Mike Tolkin and Scott Lawrence provided some feedback on the performance of their respective teams:
Mike Tolkin: “Our goal was to get a game under the belts of our domestic players before they play Canada… to play under the conditions we find down here, it gets slippery real quick so it’s important that we’re able to adjust to that… and to see some of the new guys.
On forward play: “I think what we needed to do was to be a little more dominant in the tackle area. We weren’t rucking past the ball with power. We were getting to it and not presenting a strong wall. It’s something that we need to work on… holding on to the ball. I thought our lineout worked really well against a good lineout team in Life. We’re really going to be working on that new scrum (cadence). So it’s good to get out and have the experience.”
On the play of the back line: “I want to see some better game management. This allows us to go over the film and go over those points with the team and the decision makers. I saw some good phases of play. I though the defense was good in the back line, they were real stingy.
Regarding stand out players today: “I thought that Cam Dolan really stepped up. He really stepped up and is becoming more of a senior player. So that was good to see. I thought that Folau Niua, who has been playing sevens, he made some really nice runs and showed some good footwork.
Scott Lawrence of Life University had this to say about his team’s play: “We were trying to get ourselves into some pressure rugby situations where we had to play with some real pace and physicality. Which we got in the first couple of periods and I think it took us a step back.
Regarding the Life University forwards: “We were a little disappointed with our timing around the set piece. We thought we were a little more prepared for linouts. Once we got it together and we could get some sustained pressure on them, things worked out much better for us.”
As to the Life back play: “They didn’t see a lot of ball today. It was really kind of suffocated. I think… the slippery ball probably contributed to that. When we did get the ball, a lot of times it was in the green zone which is less about back play.”
Coach Lawrence’s Life stand outs: “A. J. MacGinty played well again. He got some messy ball and dealt with it… Benny Matealona was great. He gave us some go forward. I think some other guys really came in and stepped up. Zack Walker came off the bench and added some real physicality to the breakdown, which we needed.”
The Eagles will play Canada on August 17th at 6:30 PM MT in a Rugby World Cup Qualifying match at Blackbaud Stadium. For more information, please visit the Event Page.
Tickets for the Qualifier can be purchased on the Charleston Battery website here. Be on the look-out for more information regarding events surrounding #USAvCAN on Twitter by following @USARugby and liking USA Rugby on Facebook.
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There are some rumours that Hume has some serious VISA problems and is not in camp right now.
 
Canada has named their starting roster, I am beyond ****** off. DTH on the wing? Blevins and Hearn as the centre pairing? Jones at FH? Why, it is like Crowley has decided to take the **** with the yanks. There is probably one of the first times that I just can't understand his selections on any level.

Edit: apparently Underwood is injured.

1- Andrew Tiedemann, (Castaway Wanderers/Prairie Wolf Pack) St. Albert, AB
2- Ryan Hamilton, (Capilano RFC/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
3- Jason Marshall, (Atlantique Stade Rochelais/BC Bears) Vancouver, BC
4- Jebb Sinclair, (London Irish) Fredericton, NB
5- Jamie Cudmore, (ASM Clermont Auvergne) Squamish, BC
6- Tyler Ardron, (Ospreys/Ontario Blues) Lakefield, ON
7- John Moonlight, (James Bay AA/Ontario Blues) Pickering, ON
8- Aaron Carpenter, Captain, (Cornish Pirates) Brantford, ON

9- Phil Mack, (Uvic Vikes/BC Bears) Victoria, BC
10- Harry Jones, (Capilano RFC/BC Bears) West Vancouver, BC
11- DTH Van Der Merwe, (Glasgow Warriors) Regina, SK
12- Nick Blevins, (Calgary Hornets/Prairie Wolf Pack) Calgary, AB
13- Ciaran Hearn, (Castaway Wanderers/Atlantic Rock) Conception Bay, NL
14- Matt Evans, (Cornish Pirates) Maple Bay, BC
15- James Pritchard, (Bedford Blues) Parkes, NSW, Australia

16- Ray Barkwill, (Niagara Wasps RFC/Ontario Blues) Niagara Falls, ON
17- Tom Dolezel, (London St. George’s/Ontario Blues) London, ON
18- Doug Wooldridge, (Lindsay RFC/Ontario Blues) Lindsay, ON
19- Tyler Hotson, (London Scottish) Vancouver, BC
20- Nanyak Dala, (Castaway Wanderers RFC/Prairie Wolf Pack) Saskatoon, SK
21- Sean White, (James Bay AA/BC Bears) Victoria, BC
22- Nathan Hirayama, (UVIC Vikes/BC Bears) Richmond, BC
23- Phil Mackenzie, (Sale Sharks) Oakville, ON


http://www.rugbycanada.ca/leagues/newsl ... page=72007
 
WTF is Mackenzie on the bench? I'd prefer Barkwill to start as well but can live with that. Also like Jones in instead of Hirayama. Snclair at lock is OK, I guess it gets Moonlight on the field. That CT pairing isn't that great though, has Mackeznie taken a slight knock? I'm also guessing Crowley didn't think Duke had enough time with the squad to get on the side either.
 
I'm with you, Little Guy- the selections seem sketchy. I'll give Crowley the benefit of the doubt though, his choices usually work out. Not liking Mackenzie and Barkwill on the bench though!
 

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