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[Welsh Exile]

25% of working aged people in the UK have criminal records... up from 22% in 2019.

You may have avoided it thus far, but your an expletive in public, or a bad tweet away from joining them...

Burglary doesnt effect my day to day, as it doesnt 90%, but 99% of people lock their doors at night.

How do you know I don't have a criminal record?

 

[dirty harry]

How do you know I don't have a criminal record?

I dont care tbh... infact im amazed I can pass a DBS check lol

My point is, the country's criminalisation rate is increasing, we are top of the western European countries, the likes of France and Germany have much lower rates than us, and it seems like its a European (well worldwide, but there seems to be more resistance and safeguards elsewhere) trend to restrict information and the ability to speak out...

I mean, there are commities currently deciding on banding for companies for whats acceptable for British people to view online, Labour both believe 16 year olds have the faculty to vote, but not the maturity to access content that might help inform them. Apple has stopped offering top secure messaging to Britain, due to the belief the state will be able to force them to show encrypted messaging, and even new definitions of Islamaphobia are about to be introduced, which could align to a blasphemy law (potentially hyperbolic claim, let's hope so).

 

[Ddanno]

0.3% increase in crime in the last year. Despite outlawing protests and the stupid PA proscription.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

But attacking people's childhood doesn't work. That's why they don't do it.

But attacking someone's birth is fair game?

 

[Ddanno]

But attacking someone's birth is fair game?

Can't wait for the mental gymnastics on this one

 

[Welsh Exile]

Can't wait for the mental gymnastics on this one

I imagine he'll say that's not childhood that's questioning someone's birth to determine eligibility to be POTUS.

I would disagree that that was what it was really about but it is different to be fair. What I was advocating was pretty unhinged. lol.

 

[ChicagoKid]

I imagine he'll say that's not childhood that's questioning someone's birth to determine eligibility to be POTUS.

I would disagree that that was what it was really about but it is different to be fair. What I was advocating was pretty unhinged. lol.

But it didn’t work. This isn’t hard.

Obama lost a single race in his political career: When he ran for his first election in Chicago, the local black leaders successfully questioned 1.) his blackness because he was raised by a white women in Hawaii and was mixed-race not black. 2.) His lack of Chicago connections and therefore his understanding of the black experience in America.

He eventually got past that — big help from Michelle — and then dominated two republicans for presidency.

So again, the tactic doesn’t work.

 

[ChicagoKid]

I’m genuinely confused by this entire discussion.

Politicians — like everyone — tend to do things that repeatedly work. They do not do things that lead to them failing to get elected.

If dressing up as a clown and making jokes got people elected, we would have a lot of balloon art in congress.

Making fun of Vance’s childhood not only will not work, it will hurt his opponent.

Is there some type of lost in translation effect going on here? Does this work in the UK? Does making fun of someone’s family history lead to better political results?

I have never heard this line of argument in my entire life. It’s downright preposterous from an American perspective.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Moved to societal thread.

 

[Welsh Exile]

But it didn't work. This isn't hard.

Obama lost a single race in his political career: When he ran for his first election in Chicago, the local black leaders successfully questioned 1.) his blackness because he was raised by a white women in Hawaii and was mixed-race not black. 2.) His lack of Chicago connections and therefore his understanding of the black experience in America.

He eventually got past that — big help from Michelle — and then dominated two republicans for presidency.

So again, the tactic doesn't work.

What I suggested, somewhat tongue in cheek, has clearly never been done before, not in the dem side at least. What you've written here has literally nothing to do with what I said so I don't know why you're mentioning it like it's the same thing, it's not. If Obama came out and started slagging off Bush's mum then maybe. But again, this was way before Trump broke politics and lowered the bar so much by having a insulting nickname for everyone and calling out where people are born (again not the same thing but orders of magnitude closer to what I'm talking about than what you have just tried to suggest is the same thing)

You're also ignoring the fact that Trump calling people names, questioning the heritage/race, and a whole load of other things has worked wonders for him.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I'm genuinely confused by this entire discussion.

Politicians — like everyone — tend to do things that repeatedly work. They do not do things that lead to them failing to get elected.

If dressing up as a clown and making jokes got people elected, we would have a lot of balloon art in congress.

Making fun of Vance's childhood not only will not work, it will hurt his opponent.

Is there some type of lost in translation effect going on here? Does this work in the UK? Does making fun of someone's family history lead to better political results?

I have never heard this line of argument in my entire life. It's downright preposterous from an American perspective.

You mean like how Trump completely changed the rule book in politics. He could say grab women by the pussy, insult former POW's, mock disabled people on stage, call every opponent a funny nickname, threaten legal action to people saying things he didn't like etc etc. All these things were against the norm for political candidates prior to his arrival into politics. Trumps messaging was, and is, totally unique in the world of politics. There has never been anyone like him.

 

[ncurd]

You mean like how Trump completely changed the rule book in politics. He could say grab women by the pussy, insult former POW's, mock disabled people on stage, call every opponent a funny nickname, threaten legal action to people saying things he didn't like etc etc. All these things were against the norm for political candidates prior to his arrival into politics. Trumps messaging was, and is, totally unique in the world of politics. There has never been anyone like him.

I mean the guy you discussing with is pretty disengenuine and wont concede your right. But you're entirely right looking back the the first campaign most of the things he said or did would of killed pretty much every candidate in the past. It remains to be if since.

 

[General Melchett]

You mean like how Trump completely changed the rule book in politics. He could say grab women by the pussy, insult former POW's, mock disabled people on stage, call every opponent a funny nickname, threaten legal action to people saying things he didn't like etc etc. All these things were against the norm for political candidates prior to his arrival into politics. Trumps messaging was, and is, totally unique in the world of politics. There has never been anyone like him.

Plus repeatedly bashing a cancer sufferer. If someone as classless as that who operates in the gutter can win an election in spite of all these things then that speaks volumes about the electorate or more specifically those who voted for him.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Plus repeatedly bashing a cancer sufferer. If someone as classless as that who operates in the gutter can win an election in spite of all these things then that speaks volumes about the electorate or more specifically those who voted for him.

What really annoys me, and I guess this is my point by my tongue in cheek suggestion of slagging off Vance and the fact he had 100 dads, is not because I think that is bad or anything like that but it's to highlight the hypocrisy. If any Dem did that @ChicagoKid is right, the spin would be that Vance is the perfect embodiment of the American dream and Republicans would also, more importantly, be outraged about it.

I tell my 9 year old son, almost on a daily basis, there's not many worse things than a person being able to dish it out but can't take anything back, don't be that guy.

That's what the republicans are like under Trump. They'll call you every name under the sun but as soon as you say something edgy it's pearl clutching time. Pussies.

(Not talking about you specifically @ChicagoKid )

 

[General Melchett]

I tell my 9 year old son, almost on a daily basis, there's not many worse things than a person being able to dish it out but can't take anything back, don't be that guy.

I'm pretty sure he questioned Ted Cruz being a real American based of his old man's background because Cruz on multiple occasions clarified that his Dad came from Cuba and washed dishes for a living after arriving in the States.

To your point - Lying Ted, Little Marco, Crooked Hilary etc. and yet he throws a hissy fit when the press asked him about TACO

 

[Welsh Exile]

I'm pretty sure he questioned Ted Cruz being a real American based of his old man's background because Cruz on multiple occasions clarified that his Dad came from Cuba and washed dishes for a living after arriving in the States.

To your point - Lying Ted, Little Marco, Crooked Hilary etc. and yet he throws a hissy fit when the press asked him about TACO

Man, he’s done and said so much unhinged stuff it just kinda all blurs into one thing. Didn’t he say Kamala Harris wasn’t black as well or something like that. I lose track of it all to be honest.

 

[ncurd]

Man, he's done and said so much unhinged stuff it just kinda all blurs into one thing. Didn't he say Kamala Harris wasn't black as well or something like that. I lose track of it all to be honest.

Not Asian because he really doesn't understand mixed race and just sees skin colour.

EDIT: or that India is still Asia.

 

[General Melchett]

Man, he's done and said so much unhinged stuff it just kinda all blurs into one thing. Didn't he say Kamala Harris wasn't black as well or something like that. I lose track of it all to be honest.

He also said black jobs.

I mean, I totally get why people were disillusioned with the Dems who frankly haven't done themselves any favours. I also to some degree understand the protest vote element but I also expect people who voted for Trump to be honest about his flawed character/record and not keep defending the indefensible.

 

[Welsh Exile]

He also said black jobs.

I mean, I totally get why people were disillusioned with the Dems who frankly haven't done themselves any favours. I also to some degree understand the protest vote element but I also expect people who voted for Trump to be honest about his flawed character/record and not keep defending the indefensible.

Yeah agreed. It's the deeply religious base that I can't get my head around though. Forget about policy and stuff (which should be the most important thing to be fair) and just look at his moral character. How can you be deeply religious and also vote for Trump? On top of that he clearly isn't religious himself. My all time favourite Trump clip below

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Plus the people who scream about Trump Derangement Syndrome and the tendency to believe and spread lies to make him look bad are the same people who fully embraced the following:
- Obama wasn't a natural born USA citizen
- Obama and Clinton lied a pero ring from a pizza place
- Clinton's emails thing was the worst security breach in modern US history and should disqualify get from office
- Obama wearing a tan suit / having mustard with a hot dog was somehow even newsworthy
- Obama wanted to be a dictator for life and would refuse to leave office
- Democrats were waging a war on Christmas
- Obama was working with foreign powers to undermine the USA
- Hurricane Katrina response was Obamas fault (seriously, seen this pushed)
- Democrats made no effort to help red states during disasters.

That's just off the top of my head. The sheer hypocrisy and projection from Republicans has gone to the next level, to the extent of flat out denying very easily verified facts as "fake news". It is full on Orwellian at times. Yet oh how hard the clutch their pearls for stating things that are actually true.