The breakdown was open season. In the first half there's a clear ruck, AWJ is part of that, pushes back the Englishman opposite him, and scoops the ball up with his other hand, ref waves play on...
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The breakdown was open season. In the first half there's a clear ruck, AWJ is part of that, pushes back the Englishman opposite him, and scoops the ball up with his other hand, ref waves play on...
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Looking at the short clip Liam Williams gets his hands on the ball whilst clearly off his feet. But then there is no ruck I.e. Looks like May comes diving in off his feet after (still no ruck). One or more from each side have to be in contact over the ball and on their feet.
So as far as I can see in that instance Liam Williams is entitled to go fur the ball. What do others think?
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Yep, but where's the ruck? All the players are on the floor. Johnny May comes diving in and is also not on his feet.
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No tackle, no ruck, should be fine I think?
The World Rugby Laws are odd though. There's a section for "ball on the ground - no tackle". In the definitions/preamble to the law, there's the line, "The Game is to be played by players who are on their feet.". Yet the actual laws do not seem to say this, just that players on the floor shouldn't prevent the opposition getting possession by lying over the ball. (http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=14)
Perhaps you could argue Liam Williams fell over Launchbury and that is illegal?
The World Rugby Laws are odd though. There's a section for "ball on the ground - no tackle". In the definitions/preamble to the law, there's the line, "The Game is to be played by players who are on their feet.". Yet the actual laws do not seem to say this, just that players on the floor shouldn't prevent the opposition getting possession by lying over the ball. (http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=14)
Perhaps you could argue Liam Williams fell over Launchbury and that is illegal?
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We may well like sheep, but you lot prefer dogs
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Sod the rules they are f****** stupid, its our ground we should do what we want
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We own your country so we get the last word anyway
valley commando
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Itojoe was very average again yesterday when up against a much better back row. Wales were the better team, England had the better coach simple as that, our 1/2 backs and back row were head and shoulders above their opposite numbers. England have Jones we have Howler that was the main difference
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Oh so you admit we are a country
Rumors emerging today that the Welsh are to ditch Land of Our Fathers for the far more sexy hit single; Baa Baa Black Sheep.
Is it 'Howlers' fault that despite being camped in our half in the 3rd quarter you couldn't produce any points?
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I'm going to have to say yes to that, he was also responsible for the glass I broke yesterday and the puncture my next door neighbor had on Wednesday morning. Once Gats has finished his tenure and Dai Young takes over(just as Howler gets offered the chance to find his level by coaching Cowbridge under 8's) we'll be okay again
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Not pc I'm afraid, we've had to change the words to baa baa non white sheep
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Ok firstly, are you accidentally calling him Itojoe still or has that become an 'Eli Wales'-style meme while I've been away?
Secondly, Wales weren't the better team. If we were the better team we would have known how to simply close out a tight game either by scoring points when we were putting England under pressure, and by kicking to bloody touch in the dying minutes when our defence was exhausted. The best teams know how to put the final nail in the coffin.
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Okay Itoje, I got that wrong, but we were the better team, sadly they had the better coach.
There are occasions when the better team loose yesterday was one, England were a better team on the day we beat them in the WC group match such is sport
If you are not prepared to try and think a little objectively and independently from what Walesonline would have you think I honestly don't think you should be posting here. I don't believe it does you or anyone else any good, and you certainly do noncredit to the other Welsh posters here who are trying to discuss yesterdays game and work out why it went the way it did. I have no idea how you managed to make reference to the World Cup in your post.
Overall yesterday, Wales were hugely improved in intensity from previous games and England were poor in several key aspects. Despite this and the fact that you had home advantage you still lost the game through an inability to do more with the ball when you had it in key positions.
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Its bad enough losing to England as it is but losing like that! It was that JD kick that lost the game in the last 4 minutes. Can't blame decisions much earlier in the match when a little risk could worthwhile. I like JD but that was a terrible decision to kick midfield. Unless it was a mis-kick in which case.....
Top performance from world class Lions starter Sam Davies yesterday #bants
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In all seriousness, I thought Biggar played really well for Wales, and was a fantastic performance by both teams. England edged it, cause they were the better team. Just. Simple.
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In all seriousness, I thought Biggar played really well for Wales, and was a fantastic performance by both teams. England edged it, cause they were the better team. Just. Simple.
Alex Cuthbert. 7 carries for 3 metres: Lions Shoe in.
Not to mention culpability in both tries
AzaMatt
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but he has experience guys, do you not see this makes up for everything!?! theres some clueless peolpe on here aye
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but he has experience guys, do you not see this makes up for everything!?! theres some clueless peolpe on here aye
I once had Josh Lewsey at my school, I have more experience of being closer to a world cup win than Cuthbert.
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I had a photo with the RWC when it went on a victory tour
I should be captaining Wales now, really
AzaMatt
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ey less of the wales comments, we are purely talking about cuthberts lions chances here.
but in all seriousness, as a 6 or 8 im certain moriaty will go if he continues to play like he did this weekend. how long is billy V out for?
but in all seriousness, as a 6 or 8 im certain moriaty will go if he continues to play like he did this weekend. how long is billy V out for?
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but he has experience guys, do you not see this makes up for everything!?! theres some clueless peolpe on here aye
Yeah experience of taking naughty pictures of Gatland with Howley. That's the only reasonable explanation for his selection.
AzaMatt
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i used to think these conspiracies were ludicrous but i cannot think of any logical reason for why he keeps getting selected
Happens a lot with Wingers. We had Chris Ashton playing for England over 3 years and the strength of one try against Australia.
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i suppose there are very rarely stand out wingers though, even the all blacks seem to change them routinely.
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Well who would I say are stand out wingers...
North in form is, though he's having issues with injuries.
Liam Williams is but should be full back.
Nowell will be if he stays fit. Watson is close, but again should be full back.
Zebo is playing well too, Earls for me is more of a finisher and are better ahead.
Maitland played well against Ireland, but can also be anonymous. Seymour...honestly haven't seen enough personally to place in the pecking order.
North in form is, though he's having issues with injuries.
Liam Williams is but should be full back.
Nowell will be if he stays fit. Watson is close, but again should be full back.
Zebo is playing well too, Earls for me is more of a finisher and are better ahead.
Maitland played well against Ireland, but can also be anonymous. Seymour...honestly haven't seen enough personally to place in the pecking order.
AzaMatt
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exactly, hardly anyone is nailed on unless there is no other option. for the lions id say the only certainty would be Williams at the moment (he could be used at FB though), i also think gatland rates nowell, not sure why, just seems like the type of player he would like. IMO the only back 3 only players i feel will deffo get a seat on the plane are Hogg, Williams, Halfpenny (he will literally go for his kicking and defensive work) and North (if fit). back 3 from other nations i cannot choose between at the moment.
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Ah but you forget, Cuthbert is first choice regardless so this is just us discussing a fantasy world.
