Who Do You Think Will Be in the All Blacks?

Discussion in 'International Test Matches' started by ChiefsFan, May 13, 2008.

  1. ChiefsFan

    ChiefsFan Guest

    WHo do you guys think Graham Henry will pick for his first squad of the year?



    If it's a 30 Man Squad i think it will look something like this:



    Backs

    Leon Macdonald, Mils Muliaina, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Lelia Masaga, Ma'a Nonu, Conrad Smith, Isaia Toeava, Stephen Brett, Stephen Donald, Nick Evans, Daniel Carter, Brendon Leonard, Andrew Ellis



    Forwards

    Rodney So'oalo, Chris Masoe, Jerry Collins, Richie McCaw, Liam Messam, Sione Lauaki, Brad Thorn, Ali Williams, Jason Eaton, Tony Woodcock, Greg Sommerville, Neemia Tialata, Kevin Mealamu, Andrew Hore, John Afoa, Ross Filipo



    If it's 26 then I think Filipo, Toeava, Brett/Donald and Messam/Afoa will be cut.



    What do you guys think?
     
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  3. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    Backs

    Leon Macdonald, Mils Muliaina, Sitiveni Sivivatu, Lelia Masaga, Ma'a Nonu, Conrad Smith, Casey Laulala, Stephen Brett, Stephen Donald, Nick Evans, Daniel Carter, Brendon Leonard, Andrew Ellis



    Forwards

    Rodney So'oalo, Mose Tuiali'i, Jerry Collins, Richie McCaw, Liam Messam, Sione Lauaki, Brad Thorn, Ali Williams, Jason Eaton, Tony Woodcock, Greg Somerville, Neemia Tialata, Kevin Mealamu, Andrew Hore, John Afoa, Ross Filipo

    If Tuiali'i and Laulala don't make it then f*** NZ rugby. If BOTH Masoe and So'oialo make it then f*** NZ rugby.
     
  4. Dmx#1

    Dmx#1 Guest

    If Tuiali'i and Laulala don't make it then f*** NZ rugby. If BOTH Masoe and So'oialo make it then f*** NZ rugby. [/quote]

    Are you kidding me? So'oialo is easily the one of the most consistent players in New Zealand. I dont know what your basing your decision on why not to pick him. Imo I think hes had a consistent season this year.

    So'oialo beats Mose in:
    - Phenomanal Workrate
    - Rucks and Mauls
    - Lineouts
    -consistent in both Super 14/Internationally
    -Experience

    What Mose has over
    -Good runner
    -Faster (Debatable)
    -Better Season (maybe)

    Its really a no brainer imo we shouldnt determine who makes the squad on whos had a great season alone. If we were to do that Jerry wouldnt make the squad and that would be stupid since he actually plays better Internationally than when he plays for the Super 14. It should be a combination of players reputation and season.

    Screw 30 im doing a 15 that I think would do well

    Fullback: Mills
    Wingers: Sivi and Masga
    Centres: Smith & Tuitivake (Great runner although his lack of experience might be his downfall for AB selections)
    First Five: Carter
    Scrum Half: Cowan (Although Im biased towards Piri)
    Loose Fowards: RODNEY, Jerry, Sione Luaki (With Jerry at No.8 haha)
    Locks: Williams & Thorn (Although I'd usually pick Eaton hes had a average season)
    Hooker: Hore (Hes had a cracker of a season although I would usually pick Mealamu over him to be safe)
    Props: Afoa and Woodcock (Tialata discipline hasnt been good lately)

    I think some of the choices I made are a bit risky and I wouldnt be surprised if Henry decides to have a 'Safe' starting lineup. I cant blame him though he cant really screw at this point of his career.
     
  5. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    Are you kidding me? So'oialo is easily the one of the most consistent players in New Zealand. I dont know what your basing your decision on why not to pick him. Imo I think hes had a consistent season this year.

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    My beef is more with Masoe. He isn't anything special. Rodney is great and all the pros you listed are true, but he still isn't physically imposing and isn't destructive enough for a no. 8 IMO.

    We already have 2 of the best flankers in the world who put in HUGE work rates. I think Rodders can be sacrificed for a unit like Tuiali'i or Lauaki. (Preferably Tuiali'i, his time is NOW).

    My 15 (not on current S14 form):

    15. Evans
    14. Rokocoko (Masaga until Roks get's fit)
    13. Muliaina
    12. Nonu
    11. Sivivatu
    10. Carter

    9. Ellis (don't laugh, he's the best in NZ)

    8. Tuiali'i
    7. McCaw ©
    6. Collins
    5. Thorn
    4. Williams
    3. Somerville
    2. Mealamu
    1. Woodcock

    I've tried to be a bit more experimental. I'm probably the only one who would back Nonu. Evans is too good to be on the bench so he's at 15 and Mils at center. No. 8 is a toss up between Tuiali'i and Lauaki, I just think Rodney isn't as effective as either plus he would be good to have on the bench.
     
  6. Dmx#1

    Dmx#1 Guest

    I'd actually like Nonu to have a shot as well. If theres one player I strongly disagree on that is on your list cullen its Greg Somerville. Lately hes been getting owned and he collapses scrums. Not trying to be a nitpicky anal prick by the way lol.
     
  7. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    Yeah fair enough. The Crusaders have been dominated a bit as of late. However Flynn is a shite scrummager and so is Franks/Crockett compared to some others going around the S14. I don't think Somerville is entirely to blame but I could be wrong as I am no front row expert. Tialata would be my next choice with Afoa strongly pushing him.
     
  8. Dmx#1

    Dmx#1 Guest

    True I guess it would be wrong to blame it entirely on him. I'm no front row expert either. I think the only time it was really obvious that he was getting wasted was when he was facing Woodcock. Then again it is woodcock after all he is one of the best scrummaging props.
     
  9. ChiefsFan

    ChiefsFan Guest



    **Laughs**
     
  10. Ellis is pretty useful but he is behind one of the best scrums in the competition, forgetting they got owned by the Blues scrum. I would pick Leonard at scrum half, pace,eye for the gap and consistently performs to a high level.

    I might have Reid in at blindside instead of Collins who has been average this season, Lauaki looks overweight and slow so i would keep him out of the squad. So'oailo every time at no.8. On the wing i would give Masaga ago, he's grease lightning and very strong.
     
  11. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    Collins always plays average in the S14, but when he puts on an All Black shirt he's unstoppable. No way is Read better, despite S14. Maybe he deserves a place in the squad, but not the no. 6 jersey.

    I'd choose both Cowan and Ellis over Leonard. Ellis has the best pass in NZ and Cowan is just as dangerous on attack as Leonard is, plus he is feral around the rucks with a huge work rate.
     
  12. Collins always plays average in the S14, but when he puts on an All Black shirt he's unstoppable. No way is Read better, despite S14. Maybe he deserves a place in the squad, but not the no. 6 jersey.

    I'd choose both Cowan and Ellis over Leonard. Ellis has the best pass in NZ and Cowan is just as dangerous on attack as Leonard is, plus he is feral around the rucks with a huge work rate.
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    Fair enough. Yea i forgot about Cowan, he obviously wont get the rave reviews during the S14 because of the side he plays for but he certainly gets stuck in. I would like to see him run a bit more but there's no doubting his commitment. If its Leanard,Ellis or Cowan they would all do an effective job, Weepu's coming back to form as well.
     
  13. danny

    danny Guest

    Collins has to start as his track record with the AB`s is superb. Also from what I`ve seen Leonard is the pick of the New Zealand scrum halves. But having three quality 9`s to choose from is a nice problem to have.
     
  14. joe013

    joe013 Guest

    Nonu has to get a shot! He is dominating!
     
  15. Yea he's awesome, i mean if someone like Conrad Smith can play at Centre for the AB's surely Nonu can get a chance. By the way has Smith retired?
     
  16. Dmx#1

    Dmx#1 Guest

    I think Cowan has had a great season this year. He's been lethal on attack,has a good pass, his d is pretty solid and has put a hit in a few hits too. I think he should be number 1 scrum half for now. Sorry but Leonard just doesn't do it for me.
     

  17. BRAINFADE :lol: he's playing for the Canes of course.
     
  18. shtove

    shtove Guest

    Be interesting to see a lot of players I'm not familiar with.

    But what emphasis is Henry going to use with his team? Stick with counter attack? More kicking and set piece? Wot u fink?
     
  19. paretrooper

    paretrooper Guest

    Yeah fair enough. The Crusaders have been dominated a bit as of late. However Flynn is a shite scrummager and so is Franks/Crockett compared to some others going around the S14. I don't think Somerville is entirely to blame but I could be wrong as I am no front row expert. Tialata would be my next choice with Afoa strongly pushing him.
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    Sorry there has only been 2 or 3 games where the crusaders have been dominated. and out of that
    2 or 3 times they have lost someone to the bin. (ie scott hamilton comeing in as a flanker) and the
    times things have not gone to plan it has been Crockett to sure it up. as for Greg Somerville getting
    "owend" it hard for a tighthead prop to pull down a scrum 90% of the time it is the loosehead prop
    rolling his outside shoulder down and in and thus pulling the tighthead down.a good loosehead
    like woodcock try to get there head under the tightheads ribs pushing up thus trying to pop the
    tighthead out of the scrum. that is why when you see a scrum going backwards the opposeing
    front row seem to be higher than the domonant front row the loosehead has lifted his man witch
    in turn allows the hooker and the tighthead to get under there man and lift or "push through"
    so as far as Somerville being a bad prop f*** all times do you see him getting popped.

    Crockett is a good up and commer not ready for AB's yet NZ A for sure as for flynn he will
    all ways be a second brides made behind mealamu and hore.
     
  20. darwin_23

    darwin_23 Guest

    By all accounts a 26-man squad will be named initially - I'd say Henry and co to pick a squad something along the lines of:

    Sommerville, Afoa, Tialata, Woodcock, Mealamu, Hore, Thorn, Williams, Eaton, Kaino, Collins, Masoe, McCaw, So'oialo, Ellis, Leonard, Evans, Carter, Brett, Toeava, Nonu, Smith, Masaga, Sivivatu, MacDonald, Muliana.

    As much as I'd love to somehow squeeze a Highlanders player in there I just can't manage to do it...I haven't been impressed at all with Cowan this year - sure he's made a few big hits but he's missed a LOT of tackles - his secure tackling used to be the best part of his game for me...

    Wouldn't be surprised if Tuiali'i, Lauaki or Read gets into the squad (instead of Kaino). The big problem I have with Tuiali'i and Lauaki is consistency (or lack of it) - Tuiali'i started off the season great, but has faded recently, while you never know what Lauaki is going to do from week to week. If either of these players could somehow get the consistency in there game the way So'oialo has they would be really pushing for starting spots....

    Never thought I's say it but I think Nonu should be in the squad.... :unsure: I think the selectors will stick with Toeava, but there are a number of other mid-fielders who will be close (Tuitavake, Laulala, Stanley). They may select another specialist winger (someone like Rudi Wulf), but I think they are more likely to go with just the two specialists (Sivivatu and Masaga) and have others in the squad who can cover (Nonu, Muliana, Toeava, Tuitavake et al.)
     
  21. Dmx#1

    Dmx#1 Guest

    Conrad smith is a solid player. If he isnt the best defensive centre in NZ rugby hes close. I'd put smith at 12 and Nonu at 13.
     
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