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All Blacks a farce for Wales to reckon with

Wales - this is your big chance. Go on, we dare you. Break the habit of a few generations, and don't blow it.

I for one will be cheering you all the way when the enormous All Black squad descends upon Cardiff, intent upon continuing more than half a century of domination that has turned into an almighty bore.

This particular rugby rivalry, not to mention the pompous All Black coaching panel, needs a giant kick up the behind. It's time for Wales to stop just singing about the romance of the game in their wonderful national stadium and set about writing a decent chapter to savour.

The thought of enduring another woeful Welsh effort isn't the only reason to hope against hope for a historic if unlikely victory.

The latest instalment of grandiose nonsense out of New Zealand rugby, involving the All Black coaches swapping their jobs, only makes the thought of a Welsh victory, however remote, even more mouth-watering.

After a fair-to-hopeless season, a shock defeat would be a welcome comeuppance for the Teflon trio, a panel which escapes the serious scrutiny that has shaped All Black history and been a cross to bear for their predecessors.


Having scuppered the prospects of other genuine All Black coaching aspirants, the NZRU and its wonder-boys are engaging in more of their mad-scientist schemes, arranging new job descriptions for themselves, minor tweaks they claim, apparently at the suggestion of senior players.

Of course it had to be accompanied by the usual blather about "growing as a group" from these new-age gobbledygook gurus.

Moving forward ... although let's quickly look back.

The last super-brilliant idea they had was resting their best players so they were under-done for a World Cup, although all that gym work meant the boys looked fantastic swimming in Corsica.

Now, having struggled in specialist roles, the coaches are confident of doing a better job at poking their noses into areas they aren't supposed to be experts in.

Is this being filmed perhaps for one of those unrealistic reality shows? If not, why not?

This is an asylum, but it isn't being run by lunatics. They are clever men, when it comes to self-preservation.

Here's a novel concept: if Steve Hansen really isn't good enough to coach the forwards any more, then get someone in who is rather than let these 2007 World Cup failures become insiders trading places.

Rugby is run by a smug closed shop. If the All Blacks do get beaten on this tour, we'll be told that they are still bedding in their new coaching roles. Or maybe they'll rotate again, and we'll have Wayne Smith running the lineouts. That should be enormous fun.

The memory might be playing tricks here, but didn't the Graham Henry acolytes tell us that losing the last World Cup was the trick that would make them all better coaches. Now it's rotation. Who knows what the next theory will be? Anyone else with All Black coaching aspirations might as well get out of Dodgy City now.

But this plea for a Welsh victory is not just a vote against the pompous All Black ways.

While the All Blacks will cop a lashing should they fall to the Welsh, it would also be a time to warmly congratulate a long-suffering foe, and rejoice in a rip-roaring upset that would help reinvigorate a sport which is often drab on the field and in desperate need of rediscovering a long-lost magic.

If the red dwarfs of world rugby can't beat the All Blacks this time - and you certainly wouldn't bet on them doing it - they never will.

The 1983 All Black team captained by poor old Stu Wilson, who has been unfairly lumped with the blame over time, will forever be regarded as the worst mob to head north, but the current lot could push them close.


These ritual end-of-year tours have become almost meaningless money-making ventures that stretch the season out too long. The northern tours lay golden eggs but threaten to cook the goose. A Welsh victory would be just the ticket, and not entirely out of the question either such is the haphazard state of these All Blacks.

Richie McCaw and Dan Carter will ensure the All Blacks start as pre-tour favourites for all six games on this latest European jaunt, but there is a galaxy of black holes around those two long-lasting supernovas.

Take one or both of them away, and the outlook changes. Tanerau Latimer, a ball runner rather than stealer, at number seven? Mike Delany, of NPC quality so far, at No 10? Delany, a fairytale story if ever there was one in modern rugby, is the punters' favourite for now, but he won't be once the Heinrich Brussows of this world chase him down.

McCaw and Carter are big obstacles to overcome, but nullify them and you are well on the way to victory.

The All Black coaching roundabout shemozzle must add vulnerability into the mix. Apart from appointing the team doctor as the new scrum doctor, it doesn't get any more bizarre than getting Steve Hansen involved with the backs.

There is uncertainty in the air and the timing is perfect for the Welsh, who have an outstanding coach and will strike the All Blacks a week after they play Australia in Japan.

The keys for the Welsh will be truly believing they can win and discarding any notion they can foot it with the best sides by shifting the ball around.

Welsh back moves are more likely to end up in the lap of a boyo singing Land of Our Fathers than leading to a lap of honour. The Welsh need to go forward by the short route at every opportunity, a la the Springboks, and have faith the All Blacks will come up with mistakes under constant pressure.

If the Welsh dragon can spend 80 minutes breathing fire, they just might notch their first win over the All Blacks since 1953.

Coach Warren Gatland and his Welsh charges can do worse than look at a tape of the recent Air New Zealand Cup clash between Hawkes Bay and Canterbury, where the Magpies' game plan would have fitted on the shoestring the union operates on.

Canterbury brought a load of All Blacks to town but they looked like lost sheep for most of the match as the Bay's boot boys hoisted the ball to the beautiful Napier sky and the chasers and tacklers rode forth on a wave of noise coming out of the stands.

Hawkes Bay were outclassed, but only in brief moments when Carter cut loose.

Once again, for the umpteenth time in their careers, McCaw and Carter had to rescue their comrades. But for the Magnificent Two, Canterbury would have been well beaten that night, and but for a rotten refereeing decision Hawkes Bay would probably have drawn the match.

That Canterbury pack - with All Black tour forwards McCaw, Brad Thorn, Corey Flynn, Owen Franks and Wyatt Crockett (plus discarded test lock Isaac Ross) - were made to look decidedly ordinary by one of the bargain-basement sides of New Zealand rugby. Hawkes Bay even diced with set-piece death by playing a rampaging loose forward as a lock.

Three of those Canterbury forwards are likely to start in the test pack, the hard-working Crockett may push loosehead Tony Woodcock close for at least one test start on this tour, and Flynn will probably be a replacement in the Welsh test.


The All Black scrum is a fairly secure outfit these days - although it didn't excel as expected at the last World Cup - but if the Welsh (and the All Blacks' other opponents) have got their heads screwed on, they will attack a vulnerable All Black lineout for all they are worth.

Any Northern Hemisphere side, including the Italians, should be licking the lips facing an All Black pack minus Carl Hayman, Keven Mealamu and Ali Williams, and with the belligerent Rodney So'oialo struggling for form.

The All Blacks' new boys aren't all that flash in terms of all-round games, a prime example being Kieran Read, who has an outstanding motor but whose natural ball skills are dangerously mechanical.

The backs can be potent but are no sure bets.

The All Blacks have yet to establish a world-class halfback, Ma'a Nonu and Sitiveni Sivivatu are prone to serious off-days, Mils Muliaina is not the assured footballer of old, and if he gets to play, Zac Guildford will be trying to make his mark in a game that just isn't a place for genuine wings.

Guildford reminds Henry of John Kirwan, but there isn't sufficient space for a runaway wing on the field any more.

Unless Hansen, the new part-time backs maestro, has something remarkable up his sleeve, Guildford will have to take his cue from the wonderful Bryan Habana, the ultimate kick, catch, return and chase man with a nice sideline in intercepts.

Wales need to get in the right frame of mind.

They like to believe in the mysterious, romantic elements of rugby, making them prone to an All Black hex.

Not only were their current players not alive when Wales last beat the All Blacks, some of their mums and dads weren't either.

The Welsh players don't really believe they are good enough. That's what Gatland has to sort out first. If he can, Wales could do rugby an almighty favour.[/b]

No prizes for guessing which journalist, who hasn't had sex since the ABs last won a world cup, wrote this dribble. Though kudos for mentioning my man Zac B)
 
Ahh, Chris Rattue. My favourite joke of a journalist. This is from the same man who made the claim "O'Gara has more class then Carter". Besides this idiot, I am getting a continuing feelling that the rest of the world dislikes the All Blacks, can people either confirm or deny this from other countries?

I for one respect hard team to beat, more then I dislike them. The Springboks all ways get alot of admiration from people of New Zealand, and same with Australia (though alot of rivalry all the same) and NH teams, especially the Lions, so I can't see why there seems so much distain from fans from other countries. I mean I look on Youtube, and someone has compiled a list of every mistake all blacks made this year...a South African none the less. I mean there is winning graciously, and then there is rubbing it in faces. Do many New Zealanders give off this sort of "In your face attitude" cause i don't really under stand it coming from other countries.
 
I think it's more that the All Blacks have a reputation for being the best rugby team in the world (to most non-rugby followers, at least, and a fair few fans of the sport), so people expect them to be like supermen, then when they're not, feel the need to point it out/ridicule it for some reason.
Then again, people on youtube, for the most part, aren't exactly...how to put this nicely...smart? Just read the comments on just about any video, they all end up in a "yo mama" style insult throwing, or just general "my country is better than your country" argument
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Olyy @ Oct 21 2009, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I think it's more that the All Blacks have a reputation for being the best rugby team in the world (to most non-rugby followers, at least, and a fair few fans of the sport), so people expect them to be like supermen, then when they're not, feel the need to point it out/ridicule it for some reason.
Then again, people on youtube, for the most part, aren't exactly...how to put this nicely...smart? Just read the comments on just about any video, they all end up in a "yo mama" style insult throwing, or just general "my country is better than your country" argument[/b]
Good call.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nickdnz @ Oct 21 2009, 07:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Olyy @ Oct 21 2009, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think it's more that the All Blacks have a reputation for being the best rugby team in the world (to most non-rugby followers, at least, and a fair few fans of the sport), so people expect them to be like supermen, then when they're not, feel the need to point it out/ridicule it for some reason.
Then again, people on youtube, for the most part, aren't exactly...how to put this nicely...smart? Just read the comments on just about any video, they all end up in a "yo mama" style insult throwing, or just general "my country is better than your country" argument[/b]
Good call.
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Absolutely true. The All Blacks have always been a step ahead of most teams, but that doesn't make them unbeatable, or monsters that come from another planet. Then everybody expects Carter to kick guided missiles all over the pitch, McCaw to steal the ball and run past the defences like a wing, Sivivatu to swoosh past 10 defenders every time he gets his hand on a ball, Donald to... ehm okay. :D

And when they don't win every game by 40 points, they start the whole *****ing campaign, making everybody in NZ look bad. I assume these people have never played Rugby before.

What sickens me the most is when people with nil knowledge of the game criticise other teams. After the RWC07 people in Argentina were saying things like: "The All Blacks are s**t", "Argentina owns them all", etc. And when 2008 kicked off, and we saw Los Pumas getting sistematically beaten by many teams during the Loffreda-Phelan transition... they said that "They only play for money", "They're chokers", etc. Then again, people here are football fans and can't understand the nature of a sport that is light years ahead of theirs.

Originally posted by Nickdnz
"This is from the same man who made the claim "O'Gara has more class than Carter"

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Nah, people dislike the AB's because:

1 They are the most arrogant team on the planet. They are usually also the best team of the planet so it's understandable, but still it's no excuse. Thus everybody is happy when they loose, especially if it's caused partially by dubious reffing, as they usually get the rub of the green reffing wise...

2 Their fans are the most one-eyed, ignorant bigoted and sour-graped of the planet, although the Saffers are proving to be a match lately. Thus everybody likes to rub it in their face when they choke, eg world cup time.


Voila !

B)

:D
 
It comes with the territory.

and it's not only the ABs.... look at how everyone hates Auckland, hates Randwick, hates Man Utd, hates Chelsea, hates the Yankees, hates the Lakers, etc..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Juggernaut @ Oct 22 2009, 09:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
It comes with the territory.

and it's not only the ABs.... look at how everyone hates Auckland, hates Randwick, hates Man Utd, hates Chelsea, hates the Yankees, hates the Lakers, etc..[/b]
Munster!

Ireland ... soon. Seriously.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Oct 22 2009, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Nah, people dislike the AB's because:

1 They are the most arrogant team on the planet. They are usually also the best team of the planet so it's understandable, but still it's no excuse. Thus everybody is happy when they loose, especially if it's caused partially by dubious reffing, as they usually get the rub of the green reffing wise...

2 Their fans are the most one-eyed, ignorant bigoted and sour-graped of the planet, although the Saffers are proving to be a match lately. Thus everybody likes to rub it in their face when they choke, eg world cup time.


Voila !

B)

:D[/b]

God its tough being at the top B)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KZNSharksFan @ Oct 22 2009, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Oct 22 2009, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nah, people dislike the AB's because:

1 They are the most arrogant team on the planet. They are usually also the best team of the planet so it's understandable, but still it's no excuse. Thus everybody is happy when they loose, especially if it's caused partially by dubious reffing, as they usually get the rub of the green reffing wise...

2 Their fans are the most one-eyed, ignorant bigoted and sour-graped of the planet, although the Saffers are proving to be a match lately. Thus everybody likes to rub it in their face when they choke, eg world cup time.


Voila !

B)

:D[/b]

God its tough being at the top B)
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You wont have to worry about it much longer :lol:
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jethro @ Oct 22 2009, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KZNSharksFan @ Oct 22 2009, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Oct 22 2009, 03:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nah, people dislike the AB's because:

1 They are the most arrogant team on the planet. They are usually also the best team of the planet so it's understandable, but still it's no excuse. Thus everybody is happy when they loose, especially if it's caused partially by dubious reffing, as they usually get the rub of the green reffing wise...

2 Their fans are the most one-eyed, ignorant bigoted and sour-graped of the planet, although the Saffers are proving to be a match lately. Thus everybody likes to rub it in their face when they choke, eg world cup time.

Voila !

B)

:D[/b]

God its tough being at the top B)
[/b][/quote]

You wont have to worry about it much longer :lol:
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NZ fans are the most one eyed, ignorent bigoted and sour-graped of the planet eh. That statment is rather ironic considering you are just making a "one-eyed, ignorant bigoted and sour-graped" statment, that shows you have followed all the criteria of being a AB fan. The fact that the generalisation you just made didn't include the words "most" or "some" just shows how bad you are. Can I ask how NZ is arogant? I mean we have pride in our team, and like any supporters we often expect our team to win, but it's not like we (being most NZ fans) are superior team to others just because our team is the AB's. I think when we have a good team, we do expect them to win, but teams like our current team, we don't expect too much of them at all. This is of course a generalisation of the kiwis I know, but still, I think it is a pretty fair generalisation. I havn't seen many NZ's rub Tri Nations/Bledisloe/Lion's Series in peoples faces, I just wonder why it seems that every time fans from other countries rubbish the AB's it seems kinda pathetic. btw, I love how you say NZ get unfair referee decisions, it really goes down to "your mama" argument again. There are sure some arogant AB fans, but I can't see how it is different in any other country.
 
Nah, I can't say any country is worse than any other. It all depends on the situation. As for people liking to see the All Blacks lose, its only natural for most neutrals to cheer tyhe underdog and it is as likely for the winner come off as gloating although I have seen blogs that make me cringe as a South African this year. The ease with which to get your opinions read worldwide makes for idiotic opinions being rife and one should always ignore the drivel IMO. Very easy to get dragged down, though.

That article shouldn't get published in any publication at all concerned about credibility. On-line should be no exception.
 

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