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The problem for Biggar is that HIA protocols dictate that he's not allowed to train until Thursday. Not the best preparation for attack and defence in the week leading up to a test.

Due to last week's leak Gatland said he's announcing the team immediately after he tells the players so could be tomorrow?
 
Everyone writing in walesonline or ex Welsh player trying to drop the Scots or Irish for the Welsh.

Warburton is still trying to justify his non Scottish team and touting Faletau as the second coming, whilst Conan would have been a serious contender for MOTM but for Itoje
Yeah my opinion of breadman has gone down a bit since this. His only real justification for swapping one of the best forwards on Saturday for one that's underperformed this tour is: well he's my bud isn't it
 
The problem for Biggar is that HIA protocols dictate that he's not allowed to train until Thursday. Not the best preparation for attack and defence in the week leading up to a test.

Due to last week's leak Gatland said he's announcing the team immediately after he tells the players so could be tomorrow?
Do you need more than a day or two’s training to understand Gatland’s plan for the attack?

“Right Dan, don’t listen to any fancy ideas Gregor might have given you. When you get the ball, kick it. If you don’t, I’ll bring Owen on cos he will definitely kick it”.
 
Personal preference, change Curry for Mish (too expensive in points given away)
The irony of wanting to swap Curry for a walking red card with discipline as the justification :P

Hope that does happen though,
Less likely to be injured which suits me down to a tee
 
Do you need more than a day or two’s training to understand Gatland’s plan for the attack?

“Right Dan, don’t listen to any fancy ideas Gregor might have given you. When you get the ball, kick it. If you don’t, I’ll bring Owen on cos he will definitely kick it”.
Funny, but unfortunately probably true
 
Very predictable, SA media says lions success all down to the SA player in the Lions. He had a good game but that article is laughable. Itoje and Lawes were the 2 most responsible for diffusing the SA "bomb squad". Besides passing mention of other players, and no mention of the MOTM or the other top contenders for it, it acts like he alone won the game for the Lions.
 
The irony of wanting to swap Curry for a walking red card with discipline as the justification :p

Hope that does happen though,
Less likely to be injured which suits me down to a tee
Can’t we just leave Faz and Daly there to find some form, parachute the other boys home then at least others will only have half a broken lions hang over, for the foreseeable.
 
Yeah my opinion of breadman has gone down a bit since this. His only real justification for swapping one of the best forwards on Saturday for one that's underperformed this tour is: well he's my bud isn't it
My opinion of all of the pundits has fallen as 90% of them simply push on nationalistic grounds. They alll just sound like rabid supporters without a pint. I thought Warburton was a bit above it but he has fallen to the level of BOD and ROG (almost) Which is pretty bad. I think that the Lions as an ongoing concept has every chance of failing if nationalism sets in as it did in Scotland last time and Wales and Ireland this time fuelled by pundits trying to get speaking engagements.
 

My opinion of all of the pundits has fallen as 90% of them simply push on nationalistic grounds. They alll just sound like rabid supporters without a pint. I thought Warburton was a bit above it but he has fallen to the level of BOD and ROG (almost) Which is pretty bad. I think that the Lions as an ongoing concept has every chance of failing if nationalism sets in as it did in Scotland last time and Wales and Ireland this time fuelled by pundits trying to get speaking engagements.
Did you idolise/believe in the pundits when your opinion of them was still +90% ? It represents a big loss. Triggers my greed indicators.

There is a place for nationalism, from an entertainment point of view. Even on this board, you can sense the tensions has increased especially regarding what has happened in the media over the last few weeks. The fans can be respectful but then the media slings **** and eventually, it spills over to the fans.

There is a place for banter in rugby but at the end of the day respect for each other should maintain its status quo. The media will only intensify the **** slinging in the days to come. Gatland and company is also not helping this situation.
 
And the Guardian, Telegraph, Independent, Mirror and Mail. Wouldn't be the worst decision, if true.
Its a pretty bad one, Mako came of a bench and played pretty well and deserves to keep his place for it but he's been such a problem for so long now that he can't trusted with a start.
 
If Mako can play again like he did in the first test then great. However it is a risk because that performance has been the exception, not the rule.
 
Depends on your school of thought but if he does revert to recent poor form you have the option to pull him, bring him off the bench and your backed into a corner.
 
My take on the whole waterboy and Twitter thing. It's Rassie. It is his sense of humor and where he gets his kicks from. I don't for a second think it actually adds any benefit. If anything it comes across as a little contrived and juvenile but that comes with the Rassie terrii. Remember the whole flags and roof thing. And his digs in the media regarding new tackle techniques after Farrell got away with a clear shoulder charge. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone I don't think it should be disallowed even if I find it irritating myself.
 
If Mako can play again like he did in the first test then great. However it is a risk because that performance has been the exception, not the rule.
There's also a huge difference for a dodgy prop, between holding your own for 20 minutes, as opposed to holding your own for 60.
It's not that he's so bad he's simply outclassed in every scrum - it's that the more hard work he does, the worse he gets at it.

Added to which, of course; what he offers in open play works so much better against tired legs. For England, I'd always start Marler and have Mako on the bench (or Genge); for the Lions I'd always start the solid scrummager (and quite honestly, there's no wrong decision between Jones and Sutherland), with Mako on the bench.
 
2013 - Poor Aussie side
2017 - A gift from SBW
2021 - COVID = Unfit and undercooked Boks

Q - Has Gatland been lucky or do you make your own luck?
I don't think anyone denies Gatland is a good coach, it's impossible and in terms of longevity he's one of the best ever but his peaks weren't as high as his peers. If you look at what he achieved with Wales once Joe Schmidt and then Jones arrived it's pretty poor.

Against Schmidt all he has over him is a RWC semi final, Schmidt is two championships clear plus a far superior record over SH sides. Jones totally eclipsed him, a championship clear, a better record v SH and a better world cup. Gatland always had Wales set up as the level you had to be at or above to win the 6n, Kidney and Lancaster weren't good enough, Schmidt and Jones did it regularly. It looks similar with the Lions except with better quality players, his team's never look unbeatable but are set up as difficult to beat hoping/knowing the opposition aren't at the level. Oz were never going to win that series, NZ choked and got robbed in that third test and it looks like SA's covid enforced break is troubling them. A 66% record will be very good but equally is what should be expected in the circumstances, if you had peak Schmidt or Jones over the 8 years I'd suspect NZ would have been dealt with too. It's always been the way I've seen Gatland, avoid the lows but restrict the highs, he probably got an extra grand slam doing it his way but there's no reason Wales should have been so desperately uncompetitive v NZ and poor v SH in general in that period.
 
Its a pretty bad one, Mako came of a bench and played pretty well and deserves to keep his place for it but he's been such a problem for so long now that he can't trusted with a start.
And anyone who thinks the Boks aren’t going to come out all guns blazing, especially in the tight which is pretty much a source of national identity, is a fool.
 
SOUTH AFRICA v THE BRITISH & IRISH LIONS
15. Stuart Hogg (Exeter Chiefs, Scotland) #783
14. Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, England) #816
13. Chris Harris (Gloucester Rugby, Scotland) #844
12. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #824
11. Duhan van der Merwe (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #841
10. Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints, Wales) #821
9. Conor Murray (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #790
1. Mako Vunipola (Saracens, England) #787
2. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, England) #851
3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #818
4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, England) #825
5. Alun Wyn Jones – captain (Ospreys, Wales) #761
6. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, England) #826
7. Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, England) #853
8. Jack Conan (Leinster Rugby, Ireland) #839

Replacements:
16. Ken Owens (Scarlets, Wales) #829
17. Rory Sutherland (Worcester Warriors, Scotland) #840
18. Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears, England) #814
19. Tadhg Beirne (Munster Rugby, Ireland) #838
20. Taulupe Faletau (Bath Rugby, Wales) #779
21. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors, Scotland) #843
22. Owen Farrell (Saracens, England) #780
23. Elliot Daly (Saracens, England) #822
 

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