And how many of those did you fight alone.
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Iran is a bigger threat to us.
Again, you don’t have to support us. It doesn’t matter to America.
If you want to drive out all the smart and successful doctors, lawyers, bankers etc., we will gladly take them.
Are we helping the Ukrainians? Yes.
If Europeans aren’t willing to step up, I’m done with this conversation. And don’t be surprised when we completely pull out.
Support for Ukraine is dwindling fast.
Yo @dirty harry,
Please DM me if anyone here comes up with tangible action items outside of bleeting Orange Man Bad.
Until then, I’ll await for the committee, lunch, committee, press conference, committee, rousing speech, dinner, press conference, committee, speech, committee, breakfast to conclude.
We’ve only waited 3 years, what’s another month.
Please DM me if anyone here comes up with tangible action items outside of bleeting Orange Man Bad.
Until then, I’ll await for the committee, lunch, committee, press conference, committee, rousing speech, dinner, press conference, committee, speech, committee, breakfast to conclude.
We’ve only waited 3 years, what’s another month.
Pre 2014 borders are unrealistic. But giving Ukraine the tools to continue to defend itself while ensuring Russia actually stops is realistic. The threat of sanctions to India got a reaction out of the Russians and put America on the front foot but they have failed to use that advantage. I think Trump could get a cease fire in 24hrs but for some reason is dancing to Putin's tune which isn't great.
This hasn't been great diplomacy by America from both Biden and Trump. America has to accept that if it wants peace between Russia and Ukraine it has to come at it from a start point that Russia doesn't want peace and take actions with this in mind but I don't think they have the characters in play to see that or make it happen.
I think that's the issue. Those four conflicts various countries fought alongside the US. When like with Korea and so on they could have said 'not are problem' but they didn't
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I want to support an America that upholds American values and looks to protect its allies and countries that share those same values. Not run defence for countries that oppose everything we stand for.
Don't try and talk sense with someone driven by ideology
This is the one day of the year i allow myself to talk sense. Normal service will resume shortly don't worry
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It was explained to me recently by a German friend, that the EU is tasting the same as feminism. When you have been treated with such privilege for so long, equality feels like oppression. Take defence spending, just because EU countries got away with under spending for ages, doesnt mean commiting them to spending their fair share is treating them like an enemy.
The EU wants to be the US competitor, it wants to be an equal, so when it is treated as such people freak out and claim the USA are treating it like an enemy.
This is a post Truman Doctrine world, trade and resilience isnt the order of the day, the days the world looked to the US to protect it from Russia and China are over, NATO and the EU have the capability to act, yet they dont, they sit back and see what daddy Trump is going to work out for them.
Zelensky is not going to get what he wants, which is total inclusion in this war, boots on the ground and for Russia to be beaten back to old borders, the EU have no heart for a conflict, and well what good does it serve the US to step in, fund a war on europes borders, and allow the outcome to be the EU in a stronger more competitive place?
At this point you cant blame the US for playing peacemaker, and little more. Should Von Der Leyen step up and negotiate with Putin? Hahahahaha
I'd agree with the sentiments that Putin is emboldened, hes in strengthened position now than he was 2 years ago, and he is so not because Trumps bluster hasn't worked solely, its because he knows the EU is weak. Infact, it wouldnt surprise me if he tested the EUs resolve near the Polish border.
There is little stopping Russia from taking every inch of land it wants, because Trump is refusing to Truman things, and is awaiting for the EU to take the lead, its like a game of chicken.
Its interesting, Trump bombs Itan, hes a war mongering megalamaniac hell bent on WW3, he meets Putin and hes a Russian cuck afraid of conflict, it cant be both ways.
I honestly see no other way out of this than Putin getting pretty much what he wants, or a massive destabilising of the Russian government through some sort of coordinated effort.
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Do you think the EU and UK are still aligned in the same values, or are drifting from those American values?
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I was thinking more on trade than military, although there is a difference between pulling support and actively advocating for the enemy, as Trump was doing when he first entered office.
I've been saying for years the EU needs to stop being so feeble and step up internationally (I have also been an advocate for a combined EU army, or at the very least combined military procurement). Currently the EU actually spends a lot on the military compared to other nations (I think 2nd only to the USA is you take the EU as a whole) yet it doesn't feel like that because of how fragmented the military structure is.
However Trumps language hasn't simply been that it the EU pulling it's weight more. Psychically on trade, the way he's talked about the EU is like a hostile power. Many Americans forget the role of world police is not one the Americans were simply left with, it's a rule they actively encouraged. As with most things, they advocate a position one year, a few years later decide they don't like it and then blame others for doing exactly what they wanted then to do.
The USA wanted Europe to be militarily dependent on them during the cold war as it gave them control and leverage. Now they have abruptly decided they don't want that. Ok fair enough, but it was them who pushed it in the first place.
How would you get all EU states to decide to enter a war.
You'd never get all of them agreeing nor could you make the EU countries go to war that refused.
Would there be an appetite for France and Germany to send there sons and daughters off to die in the name of Europe. Whilst Spain, Hungary and Italy sit it out.
As for the EU army really not sure. Standards and capability are vastly different. Even from what I saw of the French and Italians the standards were not fantastic. Tbh nor were the Americans.
You'd never get all of them agreeing nor could you make the EU countries go to war that refused.
Would there be an appetite for France and Germany to send there sons and daughters off to die in the name of Europe. Whilst Spain, Hungary and Italy sit it out.
As for the EU army really not sure. Standards and capability are vastly different. Even from what I saw of the French and Italians the standards were not fantastic. Tbh nor were the Americans.
Ireland and Austria are neutral and would never join and why should they?
The EU is a trade block, it must be NATO as that includes Norway and Turkey even if America withdraws
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Very much aligned still. Though Trump certainly is a threat to that but America and what it stands for will be around a lot longer after he dies
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POO-tihn is quite good though
POO-tihn is quite good though
Sadly looks like Trump has moved to sell Ukraine down the river again.
Trump shifts ceasefire position ahead of Zelensky talks
The US president will meet Volodymyr Zelensky in Washington on Monday in the wake of his Alaska summit with Vladimir Putin on Friday.
www.bbc.co.uk
The sad thing is the entire US stance is "Black Man Got a Nobel Peace Prize so I must do anything to get one"
The only thing that could have made this more humiliating would be if Putin had said (where there were microphones) "I hear you've lost the Epstein files - I've got a copy of you'd like it?"
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Is the EU still a trade bloc? Not according to the EU.
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Its interesting how anti Trumpers spin it as humiliating, MAGA and others have highlighted Putin honouring American soldiers, the B52 fly over, Putins use of English, the invite to Moscow and his claim Trump could have avoided war had hed been in office as signs of respect and even that Trump overpowered him...
