A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

Not the same, but lets be honest, with Johnson and Starmer those were probably the biggest flip flops of positions during a campaign since Nick Clegg...

If the last labour government and last Tory government have absolutely lost the trust of the public, wheres the risk in giving Farage a crack?

Well **** me, if Fararge hasn’t lost the trust of the public from Brexit then I guess we’re a tad ******.

 

[ncurd]

Well **** me, if Fararge hasn't lost the trust of the public from Brexit then I guess we're a tad ******.

Also Nick Clegg a flip flopper during the campaign? I thought the entire issue was after the campaign...

But lets not let get facts get in the way on any topic.

 

[General Melchett]

And arguably under criteria they set they haven't raised it (NI is controversial). Its actually the pledge most people would like them to break.

Yeah they've left themselves open to criticism with their 'technicality approach' which most people see through and it all could've been avoided if they'd just said tough decisions would be needed to fix the Tories mess.

 

[General Melchett]

Well **** me, if Fararge hasn't lost the trust of the public from Brexit then I guess we're a tad ******.

It's absolutely staggering how Farage gets a free pass on Brexit because he didn't get the chance to deliver the Brexit he wanted, as if that was realistic. A lot of it boils down to Brexiteer voter denial and arrogance from people who just can't admit or even accept that they got it badly wrong.

 

[ncurd]

It's absolutely staggering how Farage gets a free pass on Brexit because he didn't get the chance to deliver the Brexit he wanted, as if that was realistic. A lot of it boils down to Brexiteer voter denial and arrogance from people who just can't admit or even accept that they got it badly wrong.

He never detailed the Brexit he wanted or any of his plans that's the bit that infuriates me the most.

His Brexit plan was "not what this is".

 

[General Melchett]

He never detailed the Brexit he wanted or any of his plans that's the bit that infuriates me the most.

His Brexit plan was "not what this is".

There wasn't a peep about Northern Ireland during the campaigning which turned out to be one of the biggest issues. They ust made it up as they went along after the vote. Oven ready deal my arse.

 

[dirty harry]

Also Nick Clegg a flip flopper during the campaign? I thought the entire issue was after the campaign...

But lets not let get facts get in the way on any topic.

Who claimed he flip flopped mid campaign? You ok hun?

 

[dirty harry]

Well **** me, if Fararge hasn't lost the trust of the public from Brexit then I guess we're a tad ******.

Why would he have lost trust because of Brexit?

 

[Welsh Exile]

Why would he have lost trust because of Brexit?

Because he's campaigning on the very thing now that he said Brexit would sort out almost a decade ago.

Then there's other issues outside of immigration. How did that let's send £350 million to the NHS work out?

As @General Melchett rightly said, though, there is (and not just with Brexit obviously) a lot of voter denial. They'll have an answer for everything which, to them, will explain why Fararge is worthy of their trust.

 

[Saintjay]

The denial swung back to Labour as everyone was sick of the Tories. Who currently aren't worth worrying about.

Labour are losing votes to reform, lib dems and greens. There's a possibility they will lose more of the left to Corbyn if he ever manages to get near competent. Even a semi-competent Tory Party would help take votes from Reform

Labour are currently back to being the party of London and university towns. Losing what should be there heart lands.

Still all to play for but they are the only realistic chance of stopping reform currently and need to step up. People taking responsibility for Brexit is a lesser concern.

 

[ncurd]

Who claimed he flip flopped mid campaign? You ok hun?

those were probably the biggest flip flops of positions during a campaign since Nick Clegg...

you ok hun?

I'm tired of your crap BS, follow your line of argument you can't stay consistent in a matter of hours...

 

[dirty harry]

you ok hun?

I'm tired of your crap BS, follow your line of argument you can't stay consistent in a matter of hours...

Jesus, its almost like you are trying to misinterprit it isnt it, like on purpose hahahah

I dont know why youd do that, it doesnt make you look anything other than petty.

Clegg, Johnson and Starmer have all promised things they immediately flip flopped on after gaining power (or in Cleggs case a place on the carpet next to power hahaha)

 

[dirty harry]

Because he's campaigning on the very thing now that he said Brexit would sort out almost a decade ago.

Then there's other issues outside of immigration. How did that let's send £350 million to the NHS work out?

As @General Melchett rightly said, though, there is (and not just with Brexit obviously) a lot of voter denial. They'll have an answer for everything which, to them, will explain why Fararge is worthy of their trust.

So are you making the claim Brexit failings were linked to Farages involvement?

Brexit was golden for Farage, he made false claims, he knew he would never have responsibility for implementing it, and when it went ***'s up during the negotiations between anti Brexit british politicians and anti Brexit european politicians he Sat back and laughed at the **** show while saying I told you so.

Why do you think Garage has not only maintained his popularity, but grown it since Brexit?

 

[dirty harry]

The denial swung back to Labour as everyone was sick of the Tories. Who currently aren't worth worrying about.

Labour are losing votes to reform, lib dems and greens. There's a possibility they will lose more of the left to Corbyn if he ever manages to get near competent. Even a semi-competent Tory Party would help take votes from Reform

Labour are currently back to being the party of London and university towns. Losing what should be there heart lands.

Still all to play for but they are the only realistic chance of stopping reform currently and need to step up. People taking responsibility for Brexit is a lesser concern.

Absolutely agree, Labour have actually lost support in the last few elections, the only reason for winning with a few million less votes was the collapse and campaign against the Tories.

Its a long way out but as it stands Labour are nose diving, and the only threat to Reform are Reform at this point.

 

[Welsh Exile]

So are you making the claim Brexit failings were linked to Farages involvement?

Brexit was golden for Farage, he made false claims, he knew he would never have responsibility for implementing it, and when it went ***'s up during the negotiations between anti Brexit british politicians and anti Brexit european politicians he Sat back and laughed at the **** show while saying I told you so.

Why do you think Garage has not only maintained his popularity, but grown it since Brexit?

How is anything you wrote there support the argument that Fararge is trustworthy?

But yes, the man who made it his lifelong mission to hold, and win, a referendum on Brexit (as well as all the things you said above about lying and not taking responsibility) is someone I hold, among others, largely responsible for the mess we found ourselves in.

To answer your question, because people are fed up with the perceived immigration problem.

 

[big ginger 8]

There wasn't a peep about Northern Ireland during the campaigning which turned out to be one of the biggest issues. They ust made it up as they went along after the vote. Oven ready deal my arse.

It'll be a big deal if he ever gets his wish with the EHRC as well but will only get brought up post-fact.

It works because he's not alone in his antipathy of wanting to consider NI. There's a lot of people who'd be happier forgetting it exists.

 

[ncurd]

Jesus, its almost like you are trying to misinterprit it isnt it, like on purpose hahahah

You used the word during you cretin. That isnt misinterpret its a direct quote!

 

[ncurd]

It'll be a big deal if he ever gets his wish with the EHRC as well but will only get brought up post-fact.

It works because he's not alone in his antipathy of wanting to consider NI. There's a lot of people who'd be happier forgetting it exists.

I still believe a direct cause of Brexit will be Irish reunification in my lifetime.

 

[Saintjay]

I still believe a direct cause of Brexit will be Irish reunification in my lifetime.

Not sure how you sell it to the Unionist parts and people down Shankill Road.

 

[General Melchett]

I still believe a direct cause of Brexit will be Irish reunification in my lifetime.

I hope it happens. Farage would also give Scottish independence a shot in the arm. Labour have taken a lot of the heat off the SNP this past year and Scotland will never warm to someone like Farage as PM.

Scotland and N Ireland voted 62% and 58% respectively to remain in the EU. If one leaves the UK I don't think the other will be far behind and it would be glorious for that to be owned by Reform or the Tories in their pursuit of Brexit and little Britain.