A Political Thread pt. 2

[Saintjay]

Keir standing by Reeves. She'll be gone in a month then.

Starmer rules out investigation after Reeves admits rental 'mistake'

The PM says an investigation is not "necessary" as the chancellor admits "error" when renting out home.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[AlRums]

Keir standing by Reeves. She'll be gone in a month then.

Starmer rules out investigation after Reeves admits rental 'mistake'

The PM says an investigation is not "necessary" as the chancellor admits "error" when renting out home.

www.bbc.co.uk

I've got to be honest, I've never heard of needing a licence to rent out a house.

The letting agency should really have checked it was all legal.

One assumes she's declaring the other bf me and paying any tax on it, there's nothing to suggest otherwise.

So, I would be prepared for her, if necessary, pay any fine and move on.

 

[Saintjay]

I've got to be honest, I've never heard of needing a licence to rent out a house.

The letting agency should really have checked it was all legal.

One assumes she's declaring the other bf me and paying any tax on it, there's nothing to suggest otherwise.

So, I would be prepared for her, if necessary, pay any fine and move on.

Depends on what the lettings agents say. Very much like Rayner and the legal advice she got. I'm guessing the press will be all over them if they are thrown under the bus.

People tend to hate landlords and this issue, whilst potentially raising taxes when your making 3k a month rent isn't a good look either.

I do think it's another case of ignorance isn't a defence. I don't get why so many Labour Mp's either struggle with being landlords or housing laws in general.

 

[ncurd]

I do think it's another case of ignorance isn't a defence. I don't get why so many Labour Mp's either struggle with being landlords or housing laws in general.

Many Tory MP's have had equally more dodgy dealings its not a one side thing.

Also an MP in reality doesn't get paid that much considerably more than the average joe sue but they earn what would in 2000 50K and still don't earn 6 figures in 2025. Like anyone on high middle incomes they still more reliant on the advice given and workload on an MP means they probably have little time to do their own research, into legalities of their financial going on.

 

[Saintjay]

Many Tory MP's have had equally more dodgy dealings its not a one side thing.

Also an MP in reality doesn't get paid that much considerably more than the average joe sue but they earn what would in 2000 50K and still don't earn 6 figures in 2025. Like anyone on high middle incomes they still more reliant on the advice given and workload on an MP means they probably have little time to do their own research, into legalities of their financial going on.

That might be true of your average MP but isn't her role about 160k a year. She's a paper millionaire at least not taking into account rental income on top.

I don't think we should be giving anyone a pass because they are so busy they don't have time to check legalities of their finacial dealing. Reform, Tories or Labour. Only 10 days ago she was endorsing special licences in her own constituency.

 

[Which Tyler]

I don't know (or care) enough about the specific case to give any specific opinion.

As a generality though, if you're letting a house through a letting agent, you are literally paying said agent to take care of the legalities so that you don't have to - regardless of political affiliation.

Equally, it's my accountant's job to make sure my accounts are in order. It's my solicitor's job to give me legal advice. It's my Dr's job to give me medical advice. It's my architect's job to make sure that the building satisfies building reg.s.
It's not my job to pay someone to do these things, and then go around after them correcting their work from a way less informed perspective.

 

[dirty harry]

I don't know (or care) enough about the specific case to give any specific opinion.

As a generality though, if you're letting a house through a letting agent, you are literally paying said agent to take care of the legalities so that you don't have to - regardless of political affiliation.

Equally, it's my accountant's job to make sure my accounts are in order. It's my solicitor's job to give me legal advice. It's my Dr's job to give me medical advice. It's my architect's job to make sure that the building satisfies building reg.s.
It's not my job to pay someone to do these things, and then go around after them correcting their work from a way less informed perspective.

I mean, your not totally wrong, but agencies such as rent smart wales whoni have to be licensed with, dont care who you use to manage your properry, its the person and properties who need to be licensed, directly from the that person. An agent will ask if your part of it, but they dont care, and definatley dont check, they just want their slice of the pie up front, during and after the renatal.

Im not sure how much is needed to earn to retain a solicitor 12 months a year, butbi suspect most would use their servixes per transaction like a lot of us do, why would a solitor be involced in the rental process, and what would an accountant know of property law?

From my experience letting agencies are the wild west, they charge extortionate amounts for finding tenants, managing the property (lol) and collecting rent / admin fees, they would never deal in legalities, and unless you were a first timer probably would only refer you to a solicitor as an upsell.

For Rayner, im mot sure of the specifics too much, but she cant continue to squeeze the public month upon month, AND keep forfrtting to pay fees and registrations lol

 

[Saintjay]

I mean, your not totally wrong, but agencies such as rent smart wales whoni have to be licensed with, dont care who you use to manage your properry, its the person and properties who need to be licensed, directly from the that person. An agent will ask if your part of it, but they dont care, and definatley dont check, they just want their slice of the pie up front, during and after the renatal.

Im not sure how much is needed to earn to retain a solicitor 12 months a year, butbi suspect most would use their servixes per transaction like a lot of us do, why would a solitor be involced in the rental process, and what would an accountant know of property law?

From my experience letting agencies are the wild west, they charge extortionate amounts for finding tenants, managing the property (lol) and collecting rent / admin fees, they would never deal in legalities, and unless you were a first timer probably would only refer you to a solicitor as an upsell.

For Rayner, im mot sure of the specifics too much, but she cant continue to squeeze the public month upon month, AND keep forfrtting to pay fees and registrations lol

I'm guessing it depends on who the council see as legally responsible. The Landlord or management company or both. I don't know this legislation to say who's deemed at fault ie who would get the fine. She certainly knew of these licenses and supported the reasons for them.

It really depends now on who's legal responsibility it is, what advice she was given, and the nature of the contract with the lettings agent, what she was paying them to do etc.

They might have ****** up but she still might be the legally responsible person. Even if it is a case of I have a dog so i don't bark myself. Or it was it the lettings agents responsibility and they didn't do it. Time will tell i guess.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think all politicians should be held to account but, as @Which Tyler says, you pay people to give advice because they are the ones who should know and nobody can be an expert on everything.

If she has paid for advice and has been given incorrect advice, that's on them.

It also leaves a sour taste in my mouth at the massive double standards between how farage / the Tories have not been properly held to account for far worse but Labour must be whiter than white.

 

[dirty harry]

I'm guessing it depends on who the council see as legally responsible. The Landlord or management company or both. I don't know this legislation to say who's deemed at fault ie who would get the fine. She certainly knew of these licenses and supported the reasons for them.

It really depends now on who's legal responsibility it is, what advice she was given, and the nature of the contract with the lettings agent, what she was paying them to do etc.

They might have ****** up but she still might be the legally responsible person. Even if it is a case of I have a dog so i don't bark myself. Or it was it the lettings agents responsibility and they didn't do it. Time will tell i guess.

Rayner will be legally responsible, i cant imagine a letting agent getting involved with legalities and legislation, they certainly wont in Wales. I gave a speach a few years back to young and first time landlords (last second replacement for an actual speaker) and i likened it to car ownership (which i was very proud of) in the sense unless someone breaks the law, your on the hook for everything that happens with that car.

 

[AlRums]

Rachel Reeves: Letting agent apologises to chancellor for not applying for rental licence

The agent says "we deeply regret the issue caused to our clients"; Reeves says in a new letter to the prime minister: "I accept it was our responsibility to secure the licence".

www.bbc.co.uk

It now turns out the lettings agency agreed to obtain the licence, but failed to do so

Gareth Martin, owner of Harvey Wheeler, has now released a statement - here it is in full:

"We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients' behalf, as shown in the correspondence.

"That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

"Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply.

"We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.

"At the time the tenancy began, all the relevant certificates were in place and if the licence had been applied for, we have no doubt it would have been granted.

"Our clients would have been under the impression that a licence had been applied for. Although it is not our responsibility to apply, we did offer to help with this.

"We deeply regret the issue caused to our clients as they would have been under the impression that a licence had been applied for."

 

[Saintjay]

Rachel Reeves: Letting agent apologises to chancellor for not applying for rental licence

The agent says "we deeply regret the issue caused to our clients"; Reeves says in a new letter to the prime minister: "I accept it was our responsibility to secure the licence".

www.bbc.co.uk

It now turns out the lettings agency agreed to obtain the licence, but failed to do so

Gareth Martin, owner of Harvey Wheeler, has now released a statement - here it is in full:

"We alert all our clients to the need for a licence. In an effort to be helpful our previous property manager offered to apply for a licence on these clients' behalf, as shown in the correspondence.

"That property manager suddenly resigned on the Friday before the tenancy began on the following Monday.

"Unfortunately, the lack of application was not picked up by us as we do not normally apply for licences on behalf of our clients; the onus is on them to apply.

"We have apologised to the owners for this oversight.

"At the time the tenancy began, all the relevant certificates were in place and if the licence had been applied for, we have no doubt it would have been granted.

"Our clients would have been under the impression that a licence had been applied for. Although it is not our responsibility to apply, we did offer to help with this.

"We deeply regret the issue caused to our clients as they would have been under the impression that a licence had been applied for."

She'll be in the clear then, lettings agents reputation is ******.

 

[AlRums]

Dutch centrist liberals neck and neck in close finish with populist Wilders

Rob Jetten's D66 party celebrates but with most of the votes counted the result is too close to call.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seems like the extreme right is taking a pasting after crashing it's own government.

 

[dirty harry]

She'll be in the clear then, lettings agents reputation is ******.

Thats incredibly brilliantly convenient...

We dont support with certifiication, but an employee who mysteriously quit right after he offered to do it on her behalf, who we forgot the name and details of, was meant to do it but didnt...

Ms Reeves did nothing wrong, it was the previous employees error and we apologise for any harm we caus... 42k, 43k, 44k, 45k... all there.

I know we refused to comment originally, we were waiying for instruction on how to proceeed profitably, i mean professionally.

Hhahahaha

I smell a rat here, it would not surprise me whatsoever if something more leaks about this story

EDIT: So it turns out this newly coincidentally found correspondance suggests that Reeves was told she needed a license, despite her claiming and writing to Starmer that she definately wasnt told.

Turns out the license application sounds pretty simpke, and is around 500 to 900 pound, not exactly a bank buster, andnshes been advocating for further licenses for a while.

Im leaning toward stupid error tbh

 

[dirty harry]

Dutch centrist liberals neck and neck in close finish with populist Wilders

Rob Jetten's D66 party celebrates but with most of the votes counted the result is too close to call.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seems like the extreme right is taking a pasting after crashing it's own government.

Jesus, if joint leading is what you call a pasting, the right seem to have become the dominant force in europe then, FML.

None of this matters, without a super majority Wilders has been frozen out of governnent by the other parties agreeing to not let him in lol.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Humiliation complete.

No plans to remove Andrew from line of succession after losing royal titles, government says

Andrew remains eighth in line to the throne and it would take an act of Parliament to formally remove him.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ddanno]

Humiliation complete.

No plans to remove Andrew from line of succession after losing royal titles, government says

Andrew remains eighth in line to the throne and it would take an act of Parliament to formally remove him.

www.bbc.co.uk

Charles is funding the new place for his nonce brother apparently.

 

[Which Tyler]

Humiliation complete.

No plans to remove Andrew from line of succession after losing royal titles, government says

Andrew remains eighth in line to the throne and it would take an act of Parliament to formally remove him.

www.bbc.co.uk

Now for the CPS


I won't hold my breath

 

[BrokenWing]

It's a go on title “The Nonce Formerly Known as Prince” now!

 

[General Melchett]

Charles is funding the new place for his nonce brother apparently.

Charles? You mean the crown that is funded by the taxpayer who have been fleeced by the royals for centuries.

Give him £500 and deport the fucker to Ethiopia like the other nonce.