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[ncurd]

Trump Knew? Thats like discovering the Andrew formally known as Prince knew

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Trump Knew? Thats like discovering the Andrew formally known as Prince knew

How long before Trump has never heard of Epstein but he's sure they were some low level insignificant person who was a real loser.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

i think this is the test, if its really just the policies that people like then they can ditch Trump for at least knowing about these attrocious acts and fall in behind someone else...

 

[The Seeker]

The MAGA Cult is drunk on Orange Kool Aid and will never leave Trump, no matter what happens. Foolish pride.

 

[ncurd]

i think this is the test, if its really just the policies that people like then they can ditch Trump for at least knowing about these attrocious acts and fall in behind someone else...

January 6th wasn't the test?
Grab them by then pussy wasnt the test?

We've long since past the point where I can tolerate anyone on a moral level for supporting Trump.

 

[Welsh Exile]

January 6th wasn't the test?
Grab them by then pussy wasnt the test?

We've long since past the point where I can tolerate anyone on a moral level for supporting Trump.

It’s like the Trump 3rd term stuff, he may or may not be trolling but ask his die hard fans would you support a Trump 3rd term and see what they say. My guess is half of them are cool with it.

 

[dirty harry]

It's like the Trump 3rd term stuff, he may or may not be trolling but ask his die hard fans would you support a Trump 3rd term and see what they say. My guess is half of them are cool with it.

Ive not met a supporter who wants a 3rd term, of maybe a dozen Americans i know personally who support him, and i dont think hes making 3rd term comments regularly, hes being fielded questions about 3rd term regularly though...

He literally just dismissed a question about a 3rd term, and discussed Rubio and Vance has having his support, and the BBC still ran an article about Trump discussing 3rd term lol (im still bittwr about the BBC lowering themselves in that article lol).

But ive missed something, what new has come out about Trump knowing about Epsteins dealings? Ive only read the releases that state Giuffre was an attendant at his hotel, and he offered her babysitting duties as a favour to her atrendant father, isnt Giuffre the victim that Trump spent hours with, the same person who bavks Trumps innocence?

What have i missed?

 

[dirty harry]

January 6th wasn't the test?
Grab them by then pussy wasnt the test?

We've long since past the point where I can tolerate anyone on a moral level for supporting Trump.

This is a disgracefully radicalised comment...

 

[Welsh Exile]

Ive not met a supporter who wants a 3rd term, of maybe a dozen Americans i know personally who support him, and i dont think hes making 3rd term comments regularly, hes being fielded questions about 3rd term regularly though...

He literally just dismissed a question about a 3rd term, and discussed Rubio and Vance has having his support, and the BBC still ran an article about Trump discussing 3rd term lol (im still bittwr about the BBC lowering themselves in that article lol).

But ive missed something, what new has come out about Trump knowing about Epsteins dealings? Ive only read the releases that state Giuffre was an attendant at his hotel, and he offered her babysitting duties as a favour to her atrendant father, isnt Giuffre the victim that Trump spent hours with, the same person who bavks Trumps innocence?

What have i missed?

Yeah maybe, I hope you’re right. My feeling is that there’s quite a few that would at least, bat the question away like Trump does and not refuse to rule it out. I could be wrong though. I don’t think there’s any polling on it.

 

[dirty harry]

Yeah maybe, I hope you're right. My feeling is that there's quite a few that would at least, bat the question away like Trump does and not refuse to rule it out. I could be wrong though. I don't think there's any polling on it.

Im sure there are some, but MAGA always seem to be defined by the most extreme of theor group, and i think this is why i try to counter falsehoods here so much.

Im not defending Trump, im defending integrity and morality, comments like MAGA arent moral is so extreme, and absolutely harms society.

I think what people forget, is that feeling good and enjoying your hatred of one person / group is short term, because it pushes said groyp to doing the same to you, when one team is in power they infract on citizen rights for thw 'good' when the other get into power they do the same, for the 'good', as i keep reiterating Trump might as well have stolen Obamas play book on a lot of issues.

The reality is, it isnt left v right, blue v red, the vast majority of people are good, and moral, and agree with wanting (lets say the usa in this context) the very best and prosperous way forward, they just disagree on how best to get there. Immigration, LGBTQ, Education, Speech, Race, Religion should all be minor disagreements, but are used to divide us all, and keep us from uniting against what really does harm, exploited capitolism, corruption and extreme inequality.

 

[ncurd]

This is a disgracefully radicalised comment...

Sorry if I think you have no moral compass if you think its acceptable for people to brag about sexually assaulting women and support them for high political office.

I don't think I'm the radicalised one at all...

 

[ncurd]

And just before someone say locker room talk,

I have never supported or wanted to associate myself with other men who talk that way behind closed doors.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Im sure there are some, but MAGA always seem to be defined by the most extreme of theor group, and i think this is why i try to counter falsehoods here so much.

Im not defending Trump, im defending integrity and morality, comments like MAGA arent moral is so extreme, and absolutely harms society.

I think what people forget, is that feeling good and enjoying your hatred of one person / group is short term, because it pushes said groyp to doing the same to you, when one team is in power they infract on citizen rights for thw 'good' when the other get into power they do the same, for the 'good', as i keep reiterating Trump might as well have stolen Obamas play book on a lot of issues.

The reality is, it isnt left v right, blue v red, the vast majority of people are good, and moral, and agree with wanting (lets say the usa in this context) the very best and prosperous way forward, they just disagree on how best to get there. Immigration, LGBTQ, Education, Speech, Race, Religion should all be minor disagreements, but are used to divide us all, and keep us from uniting against what really does harm, exploited capitolism, corruption and extreme inequality.

For me, and you won’t be surprised to hear I think this, but how extreme MAGA voters are I’ll determine by whether they think the 2020 election was stolen. I think there is polling on this and the majority do (though I’ve not looked this up in a while) I also think the majority of elected republican officials also believe this (whether they actually believe it or just say they do is another matter but still saying they do is extremely harmful)

 

[dirty harry]

For me, and you won't be surprised to hear I think this, but how extreme MAGA voters are I'll determine by whether they think the 2020 election was stolen. I think there is polling on this and the majority do (though I've not looked this up in a while) I also think the majority of elected republican officials also believe this (whether they actually believe it or just say they do is another matter but still saying they do is extremely harmful)

The question is, is your opinion and standard on how extreme they are based on your perception of their morality only, or is there justafiable reasoning?

I complain all the time about people following their team to increase power, with little thought of how when the opposing team gains power theyll use that against you, I railed against Obamas immigration policoes, increased ICE powers, and the weilding of executive orders, so i can have little sympathy for those railing against Trump for utilising the same things as 'illegal'.

For me, Trump voters have been scared into not only voting for him, but seeing him as their saviour, with the way culture went in the 2010s Trump rise was reactionary.

Id suggest those who turn a blind eye to the 2020 elections mess, were either duped by misinformation, or were too scared of authoritarianism. I think people forget the role Covid and the human rights violations that occured during, played in both the Floyd summer of love, and the election.

Republicans spent 6 months watching the country burn, and be propped up and vindicated by Democrats, Jan 6th was a reaction to that (and no im not just demonising protestors and agitators of the Floyd protests / riots, covid played a huge role in that too), so it would be absolutely human survival instinct.

And thisnis my point, both sides are becoming so radical, allowing not 1 inch of nuance, or empathy toward their 'opposition' that they will die on a hill of lies, just like the accusations above that Trumps 'pussy' comments were about sexual assault.

Like i said, I know some amazing people, who are far better than I, and am willing to bet a lot of people here, who voted and like Trump, i disagree with them, and we discuss the issue, but it absolutely 100% always ends in laughs. I love some of those guys, despite them being New Yorkers (Yes 1 of them did vote Mamdani, and will never hear the end of it), and would never suggest they werent moral, and infact i think those that make radical claims as above havnt met or discussed with any MAGA supporters in good faith.

But hey look lers just call 80 million Americans scumbags, and move on to winning the next election hahahaha

 

[ncurd]

just like the accusations above that Trumps 'pussy' comments were about sexual assault

You don't think grabbing a womens private areas without their consent is sexual assault?

**** me I don't ever want you near a woman alone.

 

[dirty harry]

Sorry if I think you have no moral compass if you think its acceptable for people to brag about sexually assaulting women and support them for high political office.

I don't think I'm the radicalised one at all...

Radicalised people never do, remember the Germans thought they were the good guys too!

Working with prevent pretty regularly you start to become sensitive to the early stages of radicalisation, i work with a lad in prison currently, but he started by making claims that LGBTQ were immoral, and that gave him the ethical standpoint that 1. The world needed to see it, and 2. His actions against them were justified.

Now im not saying your going to run out and start offing MAGA supporters, but your in an echo chamber, in which despite me condemning Trump over and over, im blocked , dog piled and villified for not being as agressively hateful toward him as people believe i should be. Id sugfest your at very least contributing to a culture of division, and actively contributing to a red vs blue team game.

If you went and found some pro MAGA boards, youd see they are almost like for like in their comments as this thread, its amazing to see, the division, the morality, the ethical arguments etc, the villification of anyone disagreeing...

As ive said a thousand times, we are all the same, and MAGA and Anti MAGA are differing sides of the same coin, saying the same things, making the same arguments, and radicalising each other in echo chambers.

 

[dirty harry]

You don't think grabbing a womens private areas without their consent is sexual assault?

**** me I don't ever want you near a woman alone.

Perfectly exampled.

 

[ncurd]

Perfectly exampled.

Yup that you're actually quite despicable and will defend any behavior, your just showing how much your a Trump Cultist despite always denying it.

 

[Welsh Exile]

The question is, is your opinion and standard on how extreme they are based on your perception of their morality only, or is there justafiable reasoning?

I complain all the time about people following their team to increase power, with little thought of how when the opposing team gains power theyll use that against you, I railed against Obamas immigration policoes, increased ICE powers, and the weilding of executive orders, so i can have little sympathy for those railing against Trump for utilising the same things as 'illegal'.

For me, Trump voters have been scared into not only voting for him, but seeing him as their saviour, with the way culture went in the 2010s Trump rise was reactionary.

Id suggest those who turn a blind eye to the 2020 elections mess, were either duped by misinformation, or were too scared of authoritarianism. I think people forget the role Covid and the human rights violations that occured during, played in both the Floyd summer of love, and the election.

Republicans spent 6 months watching the country burn, and be propped up and vindicated by Democrats, Jan 6th was a reaction to that (and no im not just demonising protestors and agitators of the Floyd protests / riots, covid played a huge role in that too), so it would be absolutely human survival instinct.

And thisnis my point, both sides are becoming so radical, allowing not 1 inch of nuance, or empathy toward their 'opposition' that they will die on a hill of lies, just like the accusations above that Trumps 'pussy' comments were about sexual assault.

Like i said, I know some amazing people, who are far better than I, and am willing to bet a lot of people here, who voted and like Trump, i disagree with them, and we discuss the issue, but it absolutely 100% always ends in laughs. I love some of those guys, despite them being New Yorkers (Yes 1 of them did vote Mamdani, and will never hear the end of it), and would never suggest they werent moral, and infact i think those that make radical claims as above havnt met or discussed with any MAGA supporters in good faith.

But hey look lers just call 80 million Americans scumbags, and move on to winning the next election hahahaha

As I say, I'm leaving "morality" out of it at the moment and purely focussing on the thing that matters to me the most. Democracy.

Sure, many, if not most, have been duped either willingly or not, into believing that the 2020 election was rigged. Trump got a whole mainstream network to knowingly lie for him on top of the lies he told, and still tells to this day, so it's no surprise. However, this is extremely serious and could potentially have massive ramifications in the future.

Everyone knows the election wasn't rigged and Trump is lying. Fox lost their court case and was fined almost $1 billion dollars if any Trump fans wants to turn a blind eye to that or willingly believe it while ignoring the wealth of evidence to the contrary then, as I say, that is extremely serious and something that needs to be dealt with.

 

[dirty harry]

As I say, I'm leaving "morality" out of it at the moment and purely focussing on the thing that matters to me the most. Democracy.

Sure, many, if not most, have been duped either willingly or not, into believing that the 2020 election was rigged. Trump got a whole mainstream network to knowingly lie for him on top of the lies he told, and still tells to this day, so it's no surprise. However, this is extremely serious and could potentially have massive ramifications in the future.

Everyone knows the election wasn't rigged and Trump is lying. Fox lost their court case and was fined almost $1 billion dollars if any Trump fans wants to turn a blind eye to that or willingly believe it while ignoring the wealth of evidence to the contrary then, as I say, that is extremely serious and something that needs to be dealt with.

And i can agree in part, but as i said they have been as radicalised and scared into having to vote for theirninterests with the fear of the collapse of the USA if Dems win.

It was explained to me previously like a prison yard, you might not go in as a white supremecist, but your going to end up joining because the alternative is being alienated vulnerable and abused.

I think US politics has created that mindset, most Dems arent voting for Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the corrupt, theyre voting Dem out of fear of Trump, and a lot of Reps arent voting for Trump, theyre voting for the US consitution etc...

Even if you value Democracy specifically, you have to acknowledge the threat from the Dems, The Hunter laptop story was potential election meddling? tbh there is an argument for that, FBI and CIA all claimed it was Russian disinformation, the government censored the story online, and every media organisation fell in line to bury it... only fornit to be authenticated.

Combine that with the 12 months leading up to the election, COVID, riots, the mailnin voting arguments, vote ID, Bidens cognitive issues, the divisive campaigning from both sides, it was probably the most scared a population has been for decades, probably since 9/11. Not to mention the election night debacle, and the result (80 million lol, most popular president ever, record breaking hahahaha) and all the investigations post election, of the corruption, and disinformation and blowing up of how wide spread election meddling was etc...

I can condemn what happened, but i can empathise with a population who went through a lot that year, on both sides. Its why i wouldnt out right condemn the BLM rioting, because a lot of factors played into that also.