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1.Vunipola
2.George
3.Cole
4.Slater (Kruis and Attwood are unlucky, I think Kruis is not grunt enough to be the big guy and not quick enough to be the loose player. Might get into an EPS on current form but unlikely.)
5.Launchbury
6.Itoje
7.Kvesic
8.Vunipola
9.Youngs
10.Ford for his partnership, Farrell is ahead on form. All depends on training.
11.Nowell
12.Hard call, Slade is perfect but injured. Maybe 36? I haven't seen this season but he plays the position. Probably be safe and go for Burrell. Devoto is a great player we could look at.
13.Joseph if fully fit, Daly for his boot comes in handy.
14.Rokoduguni or Wade. Wade needs to see some game time at some point. Far too much talent.
15.Brown

16.Youngs
17.Mullan
18.Cooper Wooley
19.Attwood
20.Clifford
21.Simpson
22.Farrell/Ford
23.Daly
 
TheSaffycen said:
1.Vunipola
2.George
3.Cole
4.Slater (Kruis and Attwood are unlucky, I think Kruis is not grunt enough to be the big guy and not quick enough to be the loose player. Might get into an EPS on current form but unlikely.)
5.Launchbury
6.Itoje
7.Kvesic
8.Vunipola
9.Youngs
10.Ford for his partnership, Farrell is ahead on form. All depends on training.
11.Nowell
12.Hard call, Slade is perfect but injured. Maybe 36? I haven't seen this season but he plays the position. Probably be safe and go for Burrell. Devoto is a great player we could look at.
13.Joseph if fully fit, Daly for his boot comes in handy.
14.Rokoduguni or Wade. Wade needs to see some game time at some point. Far too much talent.
15.Brown

16.Youngs
17.Mullan
18.Cooper Wooley
19.Attwood
20.Clifford
21.Simpson
22.Farrell/Ford
23.Daly
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I would be happy to see this or my team play Scotland mate
 
TheSaffycen said:
1.Vunipola
2.George
3.Cole
4.Slater (Kruis and Attwood are unlucky, I think Kruis is not grunt enough to be the big guy and not quick enough to be the loose player. Might get into an EPS on current form but unlikely.)
5.Launchbury
6.Itoje
7.Kvesic
8.Vunipola
9.Youngs
10.Ford for his partnership, Farrell is ahead on form. All depends on training.
11.Nowell
12.Hard call, Slade is perfect but injured. Maybe 36? I haven't seen this season but he plays the position. Probably be safe and go for Burrell. Devoto is a great player we could look at.
13.Joseph if fully fit, Daly for his boot comes in handy.
14.Rokoduguni or Wade. Wade needs to see some game time at some point. Far too much talent.
15.Brown

16.Youngs
17.Mullan
18.Cooper Wooley
19.Attwood
20.Clifford
21.Simpson
22.Farrell/Ford
23.Daly
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I find your lack of Watson disturbing *breathes heavily*

And I can't get on board with your inclusion of Slater, although I agree with what you said about Kruis. I'd go for Itoje, Lawes and Attwood over Slater though...
Also, why Cooper-Wooley? He's struggling for a starting place at Wasps. Brookes and Wilson are both better options.
 
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TobyBeastTeague said:
I find your lack of Watson disturbing *breathes heavily*

And I can't get on board with your inclusion of Slater, although I agree with what you said about Kruis. I'd go for Itoje, Lawes and Attwood over Slater though...
Also, why Cooper-Wooley? He's struggling for a starting place at Wasps. Brookes and Wilson are both better options.
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Brookes is injured, Wilson isn't even starting at Bath at the moment.
 
My England 6 nations team right now. My mind is constantly changing but this is the team I'd chose in this moment in time.

1. Mako
2. George
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Kruis
6. Robshaw
7. Fraser
8. Beaumont
9. Care (c)
10. Cipriani
11. Yarde
12. Twelvetrees
13. JJ
14. Watson
15. Goode

16. Hartley
17. Mako
18. Wilson
19. Itojie
20. Vunipola
21. Younges
22. Farrell
23. Daly

The front row take care of them selves and is self explanatory. When it comes to the second row, I feel that itojie is coming through and is playing better rugby than Kruis but will benefit more from coming off the bench.

Josh Beaumont is the best athlete out of any of the English number 8's, he isn't fat nor lacks fitness like Vunipola, Waldrom or Morgan. The performances and tries he has scored in the premiership alone this year demonstrate his physical and technical ability. I feel that having a number 8 with not only a strong carrying game but hands and can kick too will provide another dimension to England's game.

The half backs take care of themselves in the sense that they are both technically gifted players and have that extra flair which your half backs need.

My ideal midfield partnership is slade and JJ. But for now twelvetrees has been playing well and has the skill set to be a world class centre, he is heavy, tall, excellent passing range and can kick, which is shown that he has played 10 for Gloucester on many occasions. Unfortunately his decision making skills often let him down, this season his decision making has improved and I am interested to see him on the international stage again.

JJ last year showed that he special and took his opportunities when England gave them to him, Daly has been pushing for that 13 shirt but at the moment JJ deserves to keep his place.

I've picked wingers with out and out pace and finishing skills as that is what I feel that a winger should be. With Goode at fullback over Brown because he is on form right now and playing just that bit better. I am a huge fan of brown and has done no wrong in an England shirt.

This is my personal opinion on what the team should look like at the next six nations with the aim of developing a young, experienced squad to go into the next World Cup.

P.S. Don't forget about Jack Clifford, that man is an animal! He will for sure be in an England jersey before 2017 comes around, I just feel he needs more time at Quinns settled in one position (7 in my eyes) to get more experience.
 
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Where's this idea that Billy V lacks fitness come from? Last 6 nations I seem to remember him having the second highest tackle count out of anyone in the tournament, can't see how an 'unfit' player could do that?
 
chippieolamus said:
Where's this idea that Billy V lacks fitness come from? Last 6 nations I seem to remember him having the second highest tackle count out of anyone in the tournament, can't see how an 'unfit' player could do that?
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I don't actually think tackle count shows anything really if he didn't hit any rucks in between or moved in the defensive line though (I'm not saying he was like that btw, just an example).

I think the main thing is Beaumont has great hands and is a much better rugby player than billy. Billy is good but limited, Beaumont has potential to be a world class player.
 
Also how tall is Beaumont compared to other 8's? Does he jump for Sale in the lineout?

Also I can't really see past Rokoduguni being one of our wingers. He has the most all-round game of any and being dropped after 1 cap was ridiculous. The other wing really depends on how we play. If we can create space for our wingers then I'd take May any day due to his insane acceleration and pace. If we can't, I'd like Yarde or Nowell. It seems a real shame to leave Wade out though but I don't like the idea of him facing some of the behemoths that now run down the wings. Also I'd take Watson to replace Brown. Goode may do well for Sarries but he just hasn't worked for England, same as Ashton. I think Sarries have a habit of making decent players look much better than they are and they get shown up internationally.
 
ragerancher said:
Also how tall is Beaumont compared to other 8's? Does he jump for Sale in the lineout?
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Yeah, he's a very good lineout operator.
He ran our lineout last season (ahead of Hines, who was coaching the lineout), but Bryn Evans runs it this season.
Think he takes the 2nd most of our LO (behind Evans) and steals a few too.
For an 8 he's as good as you could possibly want in the lineout.

He's 6ft 7 vs Binny at 6ft2 vs Morgan at 6ft3 vs Hughes at 6ft5



Dat Cipriani/Beaumont combo
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Ok so if I was Eddie taking injuries into account if go for

1. Mako V
2. George
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Kruis
6. Itoje
7. Fraser
8. Billy V
9. Youngs
10. Farrell
11. Nowell
12. God knows
13. Joseph
14. Rokoduguni
15. Watson

16. Hartley (really not sure though)
17. Marler/Mullan
18. Cooper-Wooley
19. Slater
20. Beaumont
21. Care
22. Cipriani
23. Daly

Picked a large amount of Sarries because they are the best forward pack in Europe right now . Would happily swap Fraser with Kvesic though
 
Maverick1987 said:
Ok so if I was Eddie taking injuries into account if go for

1. Mako V
2. George
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Kruis
6. Itoje
7. Fraser
8. Billy V
9. Youngs
10. Farrell
11. Nowell
12. God knows
13. Joseph
14. Rokoduguni
15. Watson

16. Hartley (really not sure though)
17. Marler/Mullan
18. Cooper-Wooley
19. Slater
20. Beaumont
21. Care
22. Cipriani
23. Daly

Picked a large amount of Sarries because they are the best forward pack in Europe right now . Would happily swap Fraser with Kvesic though
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I love what Mako brings but has he really improved enough at set-piece to make him viable? I don't see how we can can have a player, even on the bench, who we know for a fact will weaken the scrum when he comes on. I can hold my hand up and say I've not watched him much since the world cup but against Oz in the pool there was this situation where the set-piece had crumbled and what we really needed was the bench props to turn things around. From memory when Mako came on, fresh, it pretty much got worse?
 
I'd be surprised if Barritt isn't 12, to be honest.
Despite how we all feel about him coaches love him, and having Captained Sarries this season I think that'll be another tick in Eddies' books looking for leaders/experience yada yada yada

Not happy about it, but can see it happening.
 
HenryChinaski said:
I love what Mako brings but has he really improved enough at set-piece to make him viable? I don't see how we can can have a player, even on the bench, who we know for a fact will weaken the scrum when he comes on. I can hold my hand up and say I've not watched him much since the world cup but against Oz in the pool there was this situation where the set-piece had crumbled and what we really needed was the bench props to turn things around. From memory when Mako came on, fresh, it pretty much got worse?
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Imo his game in the tight has improved beyond measure . He's looked nothing short of superb for Sarries this year and if my memory serves me correctly the scrum improved when he came on for Marler . He's by far and away the best loose head prop in the loose aswell

Who would you rate higher in world rugby at the moment than Mako ?
 
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As probably said before, you could not have picked two more important players to have injured right now than Brookes and Slade :mad:

1. Vunipola
2. George
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Kruis
6. Itoje
7. Kvesic
8. Vunipola
9. Simpson
10. Farrell (I think Burns could make a late charge)
11. Nowell
12. Jonny Williams (what the hell :p.... anyone but Burrell)
13. Joseph
14. Rokoduguni
15. Brown

16. Taylor (build for the future) 17. Marler 18. Thomas 19. Clifford 20. Ewers 21. Youngs 22. Ford 23. Tuilagi

Right now, I'd do anything to have Launch/Itoje as second row pairing- who calls the lineout though? if Beaumont does indeed, then I'd seriously consider him at 8.
 
HenryChinaski said:
I love what Mako brings but has he really improved enough at set-piece to make him viable? I don't see how we can can have a player, even on the bench, who we know for a fact will weaken the scrum when he comes on. I can hold my hand up and say I've not watched him much since the world cup but against Oz in the pool there was this situation where the set-piece had crumbled and what we really needed was the bench props to turn things around. From memory when Mako came on, fresh, it pretty much got worse?
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First up. I love a team that plays better than the sum of its parts. Speaks of a great coaching team (and committed and good players). That's Saracens all over for me. Mako plays well in a set up that masks most faults as do Ashton, Goode, Hodgson and dare I say it Billy Vunipola and Owen Farrell. However, when push comes to ultimate shove and I mean against the likes of Clermont, things historically have been hard for those gents. Suddenly beating people up doesn't work and neither does it at international level. Especially with a muddled game plan. Both Mako and Marler have a rep for angles. Unless they sort that it is going to be penaltyarama. What's good enough for club ain't necessarily so for country.

As for better loosies, I'm going for 3 in the 6 nations that'll challenge equitably with Mako.

Eddy Ben Arous
Cian Healy
Gethin Jenkins

Mako isn't clearly better than those three and for me whilst better than Marler isn't a certainty. Interestingly Marler appeared to come home from the World Cup, eat a load of pies and can now once again scrummage properly. Whatever Lancaster et al had in mind for the forwards (and I infer it was wide and loose) utterly murdered the ability to perform in the tight.
 
Yoshimitsu said:
First up. I love a team that plays better than the sum of its parts. Speaks of a great coaching team (and committed and good players). That's Saracens all over for me. Mako plays well in a set up that masks most faults as do Ashton, Goode, Hodgson and dare I say it Billy Vunipola and Owen Farrell. However, when push comes to ultimate shove and I mean against the likes of Clermont, things historically have been hard for those gents. Suddenly beating people up doesn't work and neither does it at international level. Especially with a muddled game plan. Both Mako and Marler have a rep for angles. Unless they sort that it is going to be penaltyarama. What's good enough for club ain't necessarily so for country.

As for better loosies, I'm going for 3 in the 6 nations that'll challenge equitably with Mako.

Eddy Ben Arous
Cian Healy
Gethin Jenkins

Mako isn't clearly better than those three and for me whilst better than Marler isn't a certainty. Interestingly Marler appeared to come home from the World Cup, eat a load of pies and can now once again scrummage properly. Whatever Lancaster et al had in mind for the forwards (and I infer it was wide and loose) utterly murdered the ability to perform in the tight.
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To be fair though on current form Cian Healy is very poor . He had his arse handed to him by Henry Thomas a few weeks ago and has ended up getting frustrated and suspended . Gethin Jenkins is basically the same as Mako . Very good in the loose and mostly good in the tight but can get caught out from time to time . Eddy Ben Arous in my opinion is the best LH prop in the 6N . Haven't really seen how he's been playing recently though
 
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Who does everyone think is England's best option at 12 either for the Six Nations or long term aswell?
 
LUKE12 said:
Who does everyone think is England's best option at 12 either for the Six Nations or long term aswell?
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This might sound crazy but in reality we have no solid options at 12.

Slade who is currently injured is not going to get picked at 12 for his club so we would be playing out of position. The same with tuilagi. Those two are the hopes of England's 12.

That is pathetic, in every other position we have loads of players who could fit the bill.

For this 6 nations you might see slade (if fit).
Barritt might play although hopefully Eddie will have watched him and seen that he is the worst rugby player ever.

Sam Hill is a long shot as is the London Irish guy (who's name escapes me).

I think we might see Farrell there to be honest.

Really can't understand why we don't have loads of 12s coming through the system as there has been a shortage for the last 6 years.
 

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