@petite Lavanini, cubelli if de klerk is uneligible, matera 50/50 starter/sub. That's it. I'm sure someone will come with counter examples, but I have this idea that most of our players today are small by bock standards. Other than sh and fy size tends to be non negotiable to get into the springboks. I was just thinking about center. Our biggest is probably de la fuente. When i was thinking about south african centers (playing in SR and abroad) these names came to mind: kriel, de allende, RJVR, Francois Steyn, Serfontein, Mapoe..... Our centers are smaller.