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A Political Thread pt. 2

Quite a world of difference between floating it jokingly to a comedian and looking for legal loopholes, selling merch and getting people in Congress to table resolutions to enable it.
You mean like Clinton, who was advocating for a 3rd term?

"I've always thought that should be the rule," he said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "I think as a practical matter, you couldn't apply this to anyone who has already served, but going forward, I personally believe that should be the rule."

Clinton 2011

Shall we play a game of how many US presidents have floated the idea of a 3rd term?
 
Quite a world of difference between floating it jokingly to a comedian and looking for legal loopholes, selling merch and getting people in Congress to table resolutions to enable it.
But again its the same old dog and pony show, someone posts an anti Trump link, usually from Huffpost or Daily Beast and everyone here seal claps and agrees...

Don't you find it repetitive? Boring? Disingenuous?
 
Are they politically homeless or not?

He only said right leaning.
No Schultz is politically left, lifetime Democrat who is a business man, Like every other media site, knowing Trump equals big money...

What's the difference between an entity like Huff post making Trump posts qt times a day to keep the lights on, and Schultz having him on the podcast for a big payday?
 
You mean like Clinton, who was advocating for a 3rd term?

"I've always thought that should be the rule," he said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "I think as a practical matter, you couldn't apply this to anyone who has already served, but going forward, I personally believe that should be the rule."

Clinton 2011

Shall we play a game of how many US presidents have floated the idea of a 3rd term?
Most people who leave positions of power recognise the supposed benefits of staying in power. The difference between what you mentioned and Trump's case is that the latter has taken steps to actively undermine the electoral process as a way to stay in power beyond the legal timeframe and is right now looking for ways to circumvent the rules to do the same again. The former never advocated doing anything illegal to achieve a 3rd term. If Trump was floating the idea of a 3rd term and hadn't instigated Jan 6th, repeatedly undermined the judiciary, attacked the electoral process, been involved in attempts to interfere in the electoral process and repeatedly thumbed his nose at the law, using the presidency to grant himself protection then maybe I would have considered it just a reasonable passing comment. The fact is, he has done all the above.

But again its the same old dog and pony show, someone posts an anti Trump link, usually from Huffpost or Daily Beast and everyone here seal claps and agrees...

Don't you find it repetitive? Boring? Disingenuous?

Do you think that the way Trump is acting is within the bounds of normal behaviour for a president?
 

Fascinating article about early strumpet written in 1990
 

Fascinating article about early strumpet written in 1990
Nothing about his attitude has changed.
 
Most people who leave positions of power recognise the supposed benefits of staying in power. The difference between what you mentioned and Trump's case is that the latter has taken steps to actively undermine the electoral process as a way to stay in power beyond the legal timeframe and is right now looking for ways to circumvent the rules to do the same again. The former never advocated doing anything illegal to achieve a 3rd term. If Trump was floating the idea of a 3rd term and hadn't instigated Jan 6th, repeatedly undermined the judiciary, attacked the electoral process, been involved in attempts to interfere in the electoral process and repeatedly thumbed his nose at the law, using the presidency to grant himself protection then maybe I would have considered it just a reasonable passing comment. The fact is, he has done all the above.



Do you think that the way Trump is acting is within the bounds of normal behaviour for a president?
So Trump is the first ever US president to start a movement to repeal 22 and allow a 3rd term?

Are you sure about that?

To answer your question, yes, Trump is acting well within the bounds of normal behaviour for a US president, Obamas deportations, Bidens use of DOJ, Clinton's financial scandals, the 94 crime bill, Bush's politicisation of NASA, and justice dep, not to mention his war crimes, not addressing Putins aggression in Crimea...

I could go on and on, every US president is berated by the opposition, the difference here is the coer ice edge y of social media, and those with nefarious means to manipulate large amounts of people.

Look at how many false allegations have been made, I know you know a huge amount of the articles constantly posted her by click bait companies are laughable.

I am happy to criticise Trump for what he does, but please put them in perspective of the crimes and disgraceful behaviours of every president, I just can't agree that he's a uniquely Hitler type person based off bad faith articles, written by people invested in his downfall, in a forum where everyone but what, 2 posters want them all to be true.
 
So Trump is the first ever US president to start a movement to repeal 22 and allow a 3rd term?

Are you sure about that?

To answer your question, yes, Trump is acting well within the bounds of normal behaviour for a US president, Obamas deportations, Bidens use of DOJ, Clinton's financial scandals, the 94 crime bill, Bush's politicisation of NASA, and justice dep, not to mention his war crimes, not addressing Putins aggression in Crimea...

I could go on and on, every US president is berated by the opposition, the difference here is the coer ice edge y of social media, and those with nefarious means to manipulate large amounts of people.

Look at how many false allegations have been made, I know you know a huge amount of the articles constantly posted her by click bait companies are laughable.

I am happy to criticise Trump for what he does, but please put them in perspective of the crimes and disgraceful behaviours of every president, I just can't agree that he's a uniquely Hitler type person based off bad faith articles, written by people invested in his downfall, in a forum where everyone but what, 2 posters want them all to be true.
At no point did I say he was the first president to look to repeal the 22nd, nor would he be the first president to serve 3 terms. I said he was the first to look at obtaining an additional term by illegal means prior to the current plans.

Really? Point me to previous presidents who repeatedly fired FBI directors, threatened to fire the head of the federal reserve, stole thousands of classified documents, engaged in school yard level insults, started a global trade war, refused to recognise the results of the elections, had 4 different chiefs of staff, had various members of their administration berate them and say they were unfit for office etc. All presidents have done things wrong but the scope and scale of what Trump is doing surpasses that.

False allegations such as?

I do put them in perspective of what other presidents have done, he still stands out as distinctly bad. Hell look at the media briefings given by everyone in and around the administration. EVERYTHING is couched in terms of Trump. Can you think of the last president this language was used for? The last administration that just personally attacked anyone and everyone who said anything against them? The language we are seeing from this administration is what you would see from a banana republic and I very much doubt you could find any comparable examples from previous administrations.

Can you think of another administration which has shown so little regard for security? Letting a bunch of Musk's lackeys get their hands on whatever they wanted, the president himself stealing some of the most classified information that exists and the current defence secretary repeatedly using unsecured channels for military conversations.
 
Was going to say something, can't be bothered but also can't delete.
 
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No Schultz is politically left, lifetime Democrat who is a business man, Like every other media site, knowing Trump equals big money...

What's the difference between an entity like Huff post making Trump posts qt times a day to keep the lights on, and Schultz having him on the podcast for a big payday?
That's not addressing the point I was making but ok.

I don't know anything about this Schultz guy to be honest but he sounds like a tool.
 
At no point did I say he was the first president to look to repeal the 22nd, nor would he be the first president to serve 3 terms. I said he was the first to look at obtaining an additional term by illegal means prior to the current plans.

Really? Point me to previous presidents who repeatedly fired FBI directors, threatened to fire the head of the federal reserve, stole thousands of classified documents, engaged in school yard level insults, started a global trade war, refused to recognise the results of the elections, had 4 different chiefs of staff, had various members of their administration berate them and say they were unfit for office etc. All presidents have done things wrong but the scope and scale of what Trump is doing surpasses

Seriously?

Only 2 FBI directors have been dismissed, Sessions by Clinton and Comey by Trump. So this is in line with Clinton No?

Trump has repeatedly said he had 'no intention' of firing the head of reserve.

In a statement from national archives, Trump was one of a long line of every president since Reagan who has misnhandled and misused classified documents, this has been common practice until Biden and Trump were vilified for it.

School yard insults ill give you, he's petty and crass. But I mean Biden threatened to fight a few people, and all presidents have engaged in name calling, Trump is just next level ridiculous.

Trade wars are super common, going back over 100 years, this current China US trade war was started by Biden in 2018, there were huge Canadian trade wars in the 80s, the chicken wars etc... the only difference here is Trump has escalated the issues to everyone. I'll acknowledge this is a new escalation unprecedented, but this really highlights how super reliant the world is on US attitudes, and I think long term he may be doing us all a favour.

Come on, refusing to acknowledge defeat at elections is practically an American Tradition, in fact Trump's gameplane was basically Abrams gameplan of 2018. Hillary Clinton still calls her defeat a steal, there have been literally hundreds of refusals to concede in US history, running back from the guy who lost to Wilson (can't remember his name but took nearly a month to concede).

Did Trump have 4 chiefs of staff? Obama had 5 didn't he? I'll go check. Yup...

  1. Rahm Emanuel: 2009–2010
  2. Pete Rouse: 2010–2011
  3. Bill Daley: 2011–2012
  4. Jack Lew: 2012–2013
  5. Denis McDonough: 2013–2017
Isn't Trump's chief record 3 over 2 years?

So you see, all of these behaviours are incredibly common, your just being told this is the new Hitler, despite a huge amount of these behaviours being common place.

Had social media been around in the 90s, I guarantee you both Clinton and Bush would have been called the new Hitlers, Obama got it a little bit, with the ridiculous birther stupidity, but Trump is the first real president of the social media era to live by the sword and get it down by the sword.

All this catastrophising isn't helping, your scaring each other on things that just aren't happening, reciting bad faith information you know is bad faith but want to be true so badly.

I asked a colleague why he was so emotionally charged about Trump recently, and he was so frustrated I thought he was going to cry, this isnt normal behaviour.

it's so much easier for some of these posters to label me a troll, than to counter the points made, because that's much easier, and less scary to their Huffpost reading perceived view...

I've been very consistent, when Trump does something stupid I criticise it, when a poster here publishes Russian stripper urinating style stupidity I call it out. Why does it seem like I'm calling out more than agreeing with?
 
It's not a deflection. It's bad faith. When you say things like Trump is acting as any other president you know he's either on a wind up or genuinely delusional.
Please see last comment...

It's not bad faith when absolutely true!

Reagan, Clinton, Obama all discussed 3rd term possibilities, the difference is Obama played one out with Biden (I semi joke btw ffs).
 

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