A Political Thread pt. 2

[Which Tyler]

First group of refugees from the world's latest genocide have arrived in the US... (no, not that one - it's not a genocide, even if it fits all the descriptors of one; not that one either, they're not white enough; no, stop making suggestions, that's only an allegation...).
I have to say, they're the most well-fed, best dressed and generally unharrowed looking genocide victims I've ever seen.

 

[Flankers' paradise]

Yeah I was confused by this as there doesn't appear like any contextual evidence. It seems like Elongated Musk has just said to his buddy that there's a white genocide and Trump has just ran with it

 

[Ddanno]

Apartheid is BACK baby!

 

[Yulia]

Poland to close Russian consulate in Kraków over Warsaw fire

Ministers say investigation proves Russian intelligence services were behind shopping centre blaze last year

www.theguardian.com

Yeah,main news in Polish and some Russian medias those two days I've been there before it was burnt and I live not far from this "shopping center",also in Białołęka area. Even a year ago there were strong rumours it was burnt by rivals (as a couple of other cheap "shopping centers" before) and I also doubt that this local center of AliExpress was burnt by "Russian intelligence" but ok plus "proofs" that it's the Russian intelligence who hired a Ukrainian citizen to burn this AliExpress... would like to see those proofs tbh.
Anyway good that it's restored now, wasn't bad if you needed to buy smth quickly for a low cost (plus I had a pity for those immigrant sellers who lost working places there)

 

[Which Tyler]

Yeah,main news in Polish and some Russian medias those two days I've been there before it was burnt and I live not far from this "shopping center",also in Białołęka area. Even a year ago there were strong rumours it was burnt by rivals (as a couple of other cheap "shopping centers" before) and I also doubt that this local center of AliExpress was burnt by "Russian intelligence" but ok plus "proofs" that it's the Russian intelligence who hired a Ukrainian citizen to burn this AliExpress... would like to see those proofs tbh.
Anyway good that it's restored now, wasn't bad if you needed to buy smth quickly for a low cost (plus I had a pity for those immigrant sellers who lost working places there)

I, obviously, have absolutely no idea.
But it looks like the Polish government has seen enough evidence to take this action, if not enough evidence to actually prosecute anyone (or not want said evidence in the public sphere).

I would assume that the government isn't taking this action for shits and giggles (though of course, this being governments, the actual rationale may be 3 steps removed from the official explanation).

 

[Yulia]

I would assume that the government isn't taking this action for shits and giggles.

Maybe to "seize" for free some properties that officially belonged to Russian Consulate/Embassy and were usually located in a city centre with huge territories...like Russian school that belonged to the Embassy and was "seized" by Polish government when the war in Ukraine began. Who knows

 

[McTallshort]

Yeah,main news in Polish and some Russian medias those two days I've been there before it was burnt and I live not far from this "shopping center",also in Białołęka area. Even a year ago there were strong rumours it was burnt by rivals (as a couple of other cheap "shopping centers" before) and I also doubt that this local center of AliExpress was burnt by "Russian intelligence" but ok plus "proofs" that it's the Russian intelligence who hired a Ukrainian citizen to burn this AliExpress... would like to see those proofs tbh.
Anyway good that it's restored now, wasn't bad if you needed to buy smth quickly for a low cost (plus I had a pity for those immigrant sellers who lost working places there)

Just be mindful that Russia has been carrying out hybrid warfare against most of Europe since 2014 in the form of cyber hacking (the UKs NHS was taken down in 2017) but since 2022 they have been getting bolder and in the UK there have been several arson attacks on warehouses in the UK housing equipment destined for Ukraine plus BAE systems have had a sabotage incident. It's absolutely plausible that Russia would do something like this in Poland which is currently the weapons gateway between the west and Ukraine. A tell tale would be if there was any large storage facilities on site.

Also regarding "proofs" (it's proof) in 2016 the FSB tried to kill a Russian dissident in Salisbury using a chemical agent. The whole operation was a complete botch job but ended up causing a few headaches for the Salisbury emergency services. At the time the internet was flooded with "where's the proofs!" "It's MI6!" "UK chemical research down the road!" Which muddied the waters quite a bit at the time. In reality the British intelligence service knew quite quickly it was Russia and even knew the two agents involved. Several hundred Russian diplomats were suspended as a result and although the likes of Russell Brand and Joe Rogan might dispute it, it was absolutely an FSB operation. The more denial coming from Russian sources the more likely it is to be true.

 

[Yulia]

@McTallshort I didn't say anything about Salisbury though as here I can believe it was FSB (at least it sounds logic). I was talking only about this shopping center. The fact that there's sabotage activities from FSB doesn't automatically mean any other government can now do illegal things (like confiscation of properties) blaming Russian intelligence in absolutely illogical "crimes" like that one(burning shopping center)and doesn't bother in providing clear proofs

A tell tale would be if there was any large storage facilities on site

I saw there just a huge covered (with a roof,I mean) market of cheap products kinda AliExpress and immigrants selling those products...there are other covered markets near there but only that one was burnt.
By the way,just read about it: Polish government also closed consulate in Poznan! Just in November 2024. Shocked as I've been there once and didn't hear it was closed..the reason is something like "because of sabotage activities" from Russia. No proofs,no clear reasons or at least related incidents...and Poznan consulate was also located in the city centre,with a historical building and huge garden around

 

[McTallshort]

No proofs,no clear reasons or at least related incidents...and Poznan consulate was also located in the city centre,with a historical building and huge garden around

Playing devils advocate, how do you know there isn't any proof? If it's a call from the intelligence service then they are not going to always give out what they know because it could jeopardize assets and sources. Not saying you are wrong as you are closer to it but I'm more inclined to believe Polands government than Russia's

 

[Yulia]

Playing devils advocate, how do you know there isn't any proof? If it's a call from the intelligence service then they are not going to always give out what they know because it could jeopardize assets and sources. Not saying you are wrong as you are closer to it but I'm more inclined to believe Polands government than Russia's

I believe my own eyes and logic, let's say. Any Intelligence won't be doing dull and illogical crimes just because it's "bad" and like doing "bad things".
Also I see some strong tendancies (not only in Poland) when it's very comfortable to blame someone in something while it's actually your government's fault or your government can somehow benefit from it. And a lot of inequality/unfairness against people with "wrong passports" from these so called democratic governments (sometimes I react emotionally about it because I felt it a few times on my own skin)

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Wow. This should be compensation in the zillions. And yet another reason I'm glad we don't have the death penalty.

Peter Sullivan: Man jailed for 1986 murder acquitted after 38 years

Peter Sullivan is believed to have suffered the longest miscarriage of justice involving a living prisoner in British legal history

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Saintjay]

Wow. This should be compensation in the zillions. And yet another reason I'm glad we don't have the death penalty.

Peter Sullivan: Man jailed for 1986 murder acquitted after 38 years

Peter Sullivan is believed to have suffered the longest miscarriage of justice involving a living prisoner in British legal history

www.bbc.co.uk

Yep and they'll still probably try to charge him board and lodgings.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Israel continuing to strike hospitals in Gaza. I could believe Hamas might have had some presence in a hospital somewhere but find the idea that basically all hospitals also function as Hamas command centres a ridiculous stretch.

This on top of Israel starving the entire population, this is looking extremely like a genocide whilst trying to maintain a feeble plausible deniability.

 

[Which Tyler]

Why Pete Hegseth Still Has a Job

Hegseth is terrible at every part of his job except the one that matters to Trump—a willingness to break with norms that keep the military in check.

www.thenation.com

Hegseth is a liability in every possible sense. So why is he still here? The leading explanation—that Trump doesn't want to appear acquiescent to liberal demands—carried a lot more weight before the administration canned national security adviser and fellow Signal enthusiast Mike Waltz. Some think this is the first of many Signal-related firings and that Hegseth will be next. Personally, I doubt it. Trump clearly did not pick Hegseth for his leadership skills, or his experience, or his ability to keep track of classified information. Trump picked Hegseth because both men believe the military is a threat to the regime's authoritarian ambitions and must be neutralized, purged, and remade in Trump's own image.


Like Trump, Hegseth believes the military has been compromised by the left-wing "enemy within." His opposition to women in combat roles and the alleged pussification of Our Boys in Uniform are part of something far larger than the typical culture-war grift. He understands that if the commander in chief were to, say, invoke the Insurrection Act and order the military to round up immigrants on American soil, the Pentagon might say no. His idea of Making America Great Again involves changing that "no" into a "yes," and he's working hard to make that happen.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Seems like Legal Eagle saw Dirty Harry's comments.

 

[Ddanno]

He'll never get past the thumbnail

 

[Which Tyler]

He'll never get past the thumbnail

He'll still disagree with it though

 

[Ddanno]

It's worth a watch.

 

[AlRums]

Israel continuing to strike hospitals in Gaza. I could believe Hamas might have had some presence in a hospital somewhere but find the idea that basically all hospitals also function as Hamas command centres a ridiculous stretch.

This on top of Israel starving the entire population, this is looking extremely like a genocide whilst trying to maintain a feeble plausible deniability.

Careful, you'll get labelled anti semetic.

Btw I am totally in agreement.

 

[AlRums]

He'll never get past the thumbnail

He'll claim he's right just by the ***le.

It was informative though.