A Political Thread pt. 2

[Which Tyler]

He's probably going to throw a huge curveball and after all this announce that he wishes to be a woman or something.

 

[ncurd]

Now Bojo is commenting about Putin breaking international law.

TBF he shouldn't be asked questions about a press conference whilst he's at one himself. He hasn't listened to what Putin is saying a d hasn't spoken to his own advisors.

Of course he shouldn't answer the bloody question either which he usually has no problem doing.

 

[General Melchett]

Yep, we'll invade UK instead of Ukraine. Kidding. Independence of Donbas
Nothing really changes,but we'll be supporting Donbas "officially" now. What was the reason for all that circus

To be honest the UK is in dire need of a regime change!

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Independence of Donbas
Nothing really changes,but we'll be supporting Donbas "officially" now. What was the reason for all that circus

So only Russia recognises Donbas as an independent state, but no other country does. Well, looks like Putin and Russia are trying to destabilise Ukraine to me and slowly eat into the country, which was the whole point from when they first annexed Crimea and this was their next step.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

TBF he shouldn't be asked questions about a press conference whilst he's at one himself. He hasn't listened to what Putin is saying a d hasn't spoken to his own advisors.

Of course he shouldn't answer the bloody question either which he usually has no problem doing.

They all are now LK started it, followed by Peston and then the third lady( didn’t get her name).

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Announces recognition of independence. As I say, depends if he sends in troops to Donbass. Even RT criticising the ludicrous long history lesson, before quickly correcting themselves to say it was genius!

Chance of war significantly reduced I think. Germany moving from silent and neutral to hostile and scornful, US daily intelligence updates and Chinese acknowledging Ukranian sovereignty probably the biggest contributors to backing off from the using all those troops. Hopefully also a sign of internal Russian business pressure on Putin to back away from the ledge. Rest of world must make it clear there will be additional sanctions if Russian troops enter Donbas, then we can all go and look at the next catastrophe.

Very happy for Ukranian soldiers and population and also Russian soldiers (who probably have zero interest in dying side by side their old Ukranian allies). Good chance Putin will be put in his box until the next US presidential election.

 

[Yulia]

@The_Blindside not really, basically that means we can officially supplying weapons them, but these will be "independent territories", that's a bit different to Crimea. Belarus and a couple of countries will recognise them as well,I think,but that doesn't change anything

 

[ncurd]

They all are now LK started it, followed by Peston and then the third lady( didn’t get her name).

It'll be Beth Rigby, I usually don't like giving the press **** for asking questions but they should stick to if he'll resign...

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

It'll be Beth Rigby, I usually don't like giving the press **** for asking questions but they should stick to if he'll resign...

Got help any Kiwi Bath fans if she turns up.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

@The_Blindside not really, basically that means we can officially supplying weapons them, but these will be "independent territories", that's a bit different to Crimea. Belarus and a couple of countries will recognise them as well,I think,but that doesn't change anything

Hmmm, so just giving Putin/Russia more excuse to supply weapons to these regions, which means encouraging them to fight internally with Ukraine. Not sure you know what you’re saying there. A de-facto annexation without getting Russian troops hands dirty. Whipping and arming an internal coup.

Belarus/Lukashenko is effectively in Putin’s pocket so they will go along with whatever he/Russia chooses.

Which other countries are you referring to?
[HR][/HR]

 

[Yulia]

Which other countries are you referring to?

Uzbekistan,Tadjikistan, maybe Kazakhstan

Hmmm, so just giving Putin/Russia more excuse to supply weapons to these regions, which means encouraging them to fight internally with Ukraine.

No, these will be just "independent territories",more like Pridnestrovian republic, they need more weapon in case Ukraine decide to "change" their status back. Now, Ukraine won't be in nato anytime soon,with those "partially recognised" territories,that was the reason of this "independence", I'm sure

 

[Which Tyler]

I have no idea

 

[Yulia]

I have no idea

Yeah, it's very popular now. He's a well-known clown in Russia, so called "opposition"

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

Very good early article on the implications of Putins decision.

- Lots of financial costs to Russia (excluding sanctions)
- some degree of sanctions likely
- may hinder Ukraine attempts to enter NATO (although I'd think there will be other options on that front)

So still rubbish, but hey, it sure beats all out war and there was little realistic prospect of Ukraine regaining Donbas militarily anytime soon. Like Crimea, it is case of sitting out Putin and seeing who comes next.

As I've said before, i think there is no way Russia invades Ukraine without the use if air superiority, it'd be an incredible bloodbath for Russian mercs without that support. This step does nothing to increase the risk of Russian air support in non-Donbass Ukranian territory. It also gives Europe time to get its act together with military defence now that they are seemingly far more alert and alive to the situation. It will hopefully also accelerate the transition away from gas and towards energy independence.

Explainer: What will Russian recognition of breakaway Ukraine regions mean?

Russian President Vladimir Putin told the French and German leaders on Monday that he planned to sign a decree recognising two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent.

www.reuters.com

I definitely believe this announcement was not the goal of the Russian govt at the outset. They've tested the water and thankfully the ramshackle collection of international leaders kept their discipline.

 

[Bruce_ma gooshvili]

A lot of early analysis is more negative than my take, interpreting it as making war more likely. But I still don't see it that way personally.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Uzbekistan,Tadjikistan, maybe Kazakhstan

No, these will be just "independent territories",more like Pridnestrovian republic, they need more weapon in case Ukraine decide to "change" their status back. Now, Ukraine won't be in nato anytime soon,with those "partially recognised" territories,that was the reason of this "independence", I'm sure

The other thing is for these “independent territories” as you say will go onto invite Russian troops to enter and help them defend them against Ukraine trying to retake their territories or better still help them “train them” using Russian weapons or perform training drills like they did in Belarus. Ah, very clever, not Russia invading, just helping defend previous Ukraine territory which are now recognised by Russia and their Belarusian puppets.

 

[Seeker]

A lot of early analysis is more negative than my take, interpreting it as making war more likely. But I still don't see it that way personally.

I do. Unfortunately.

I don't trust Putin, and I don't think he'll stop with Ukraine.

 

[Which Tyler]

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

So there we have it, Russia has it's excuse and now has put their troops into Ukraine as "peacekeepers".

 

[Gavin]

So are we basically seeing what happened in Syria from a different perspective?

Syria - US and western backed 'rebels'
Ukraine - Russian backed 'rebels'