A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

Iran President (not the supreme leader) and foreign minister, among others killed in helicopter crash.

Good start to the week.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Good start to the week.

Indeed! We don't know how yet, which will no doubt stoke the conspiracy theory brigade.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

People on twitter were joking saying it was a mossad agent called Eli Copter, and it's actually been picked up by some news agencies and multiple conspiracy theorist sites

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Israel Gaza war: ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas leaders

Israel Gaza war: ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas leaders

www.bbc.co.uk

Like Putin, doubt they will though.

 

[McTallshort]

 

[BrokenWing]

Iran President (not the supreme leader) and foreign minister, among others killed in helicopter crash.

I think you'll find it was a "hard landing"

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I think you'll find it was a "hard landing"

Yes, that was what the initial reports were saying, when to all intents and purposes they were looking for the wreckage.

 

[Saintjay]

I think you'll find it was a "hard landing"

With a side helping of gravity.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

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[Saintjay]

Surprised the US isn't a member of the ICC. Not sure if this stance is good for Biden given recent protests or the needed youth vote in November. Senators also threatening sanctions against the ICC.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

Surprised the US isn't a member of the ICC. Not sure if this stance is good for Biden given recent protests or the needed youth vote in November. Senators also threatening sanctions against the ICC.
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Republicans hate it cause they don't acknowledge international law as a concept and democrats hate it cause it lacks due process.

 

[McTallshort]

 

[Bada-Bing!]

ICC don't have its own police force so will be relying the jurisdiction where Netanyahu and Hamas are to arrest them for them. Just a token gesture. No matter how noble and right.

Typical Netanyahu using the antisemite shield to deflect.

What ICC arrest warrants mean for Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu and Hamas

The Israeli and Hamas leaders are suspected of committing war crimes during the continuing war in Gaza.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Welsh Exile]

Republicans hate it cause they don't acknowledge international law as a concept and democrats hate it cause it lacks due process.

International law has to negotiate a tricky balancing act. On the one hand, international law is good, or it's good to have shared ideas across the globe about what states should and shouldn't do, especially when conducting war. But on the other, if you go too hard the other way and say have an enforcement facet to international law, or you make countries ability to wage war difficult, then you risk undermining international law and states will be like what's the point in it and will ignore it completely. Tricky but we've probably got the balance about right. I personally wouldn't want to see some global enforcement agency but I also wouldn't want to live in a world with no international law either.

 

[ncurd]

Man waiting for correct opinion on Iran helicopter crash to emerge so he can have it

A MAN is withholding any views thoughts on the death of Iran’s president in a helicopter crash until the acceptable opinion comes to light and he can claim it as his own.

www.thedailymash.co.uk

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

International law has to negotiate a tricky balancing act. On the one hand, international law is good, or it's good to have shared ideas across the globe about what states should and shouldn't do, especially when conducting war. But on the other, if you go too hard the other way and say have an enforcement facet to international law, or you make countries ability to wage war difficult, then you risk undermining international law and states will be like what's the point in it and will ignore it completely. Tricky but we've probably got the balance about right. I personally wouldn't want to see some global enforcement agency but I also wouldn't want to live in a world with no international law either.

I think it's something ridiculous like Israel accounts for more resolutions passed by the UN than any other country in the world. Israel has faults but it's far from the worst country in the world.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

I think it's something ridiculous like Israel accounts for more resolutions passed by the UN than any other country in the world. Israel has faults but it's far from the worst country in the world.

A country that allows anyone of a certain faith to obtain citizenship and uses this function to assist with their continuous illegal plantations and stealing of land, and to perpetuate apartheid and more recently genocide is far from the worst?

They don't have slaves so I guess they're not the worst but they're right up there with the top dogs in my opinion.

 

[Welsh Exile]

A country that allows anyone of a certain faith to obtain citizenship and uses this function to assist with their continuous illegal plantations and stealing of land, and to perpetuate apartheid and more recently genocide is far from the worst?

They don't have slaves so I guess they're not the worst but they're right up there with the top dogs in my opinion.

The genocide and apartheid claims are very arguable to be fair but I think we might be working off different definitions.

Not saying that Isreal are 100% not committing genocide but I've not seen any evidence that they are.

The apartheid claim I can get more but for me apartheid, like in South Africa, is a top down racial division of people where rights are excluded for one set of people based on race. I can't remember when or names but I've heard, a few times now, of an Arab judge appointed to the Israeli high court who sent an Israeli PM to prison. I don't think you would've got a black judge at all in South Africa let alone one sending PM to prison. Arabs in Israel have a right to vote etc. this, to me, doesn't make it an apartheid state.

You'll get no arguments from me in terms of their conduct in the West Bank and I have no doubt Isreal have committed war crimes, but like any democracy Isreal has mechanisms to hold themselves to account, most notably the people who can vote.

I'm always open to changing my mind if new evidence comes to light though.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

A country that allows anyone of a certain faith to obtain citizenship and uses this function to assist with their continuous illegal plantations and stealing of land, and to perpetuate apartheid and more recently genocide is far from the worst?

They don't have slaves so I guess they're not the worst but they're right up there with the top dogs in my opinion.

Come on, Israel does deserve resolutions against it, but it had more resolutions passed against it than the rest of the world combined. Bearing in mind the rest of the world include Syria, Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, Burma, DR Congo etc etc. Do you really think Israel's abuses outweigh all of that?

 

[ncurd]

Come on, Israel does deserve resolutions against it, but it had more resolutions passed against it than the rest of the world combined. Bearing in mind the rest of the world include Syria, Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, Burma, DR Congo etc etc. Do you really think Israel's abuses outweigh all of that?

Yeah but we get stupid resolutions like give should the Falklands away. To pretend the Arab world doesn't use it for point scoring and repeatedly done so is naive.