A Political Thread pt. 2

[dirty harry]

Anyway. Has anyone heard the latest about the Epstein files being released? No me either but in many ways Epstein reminds me a lot of Tommy Cooper and think they were both similar

To be fair to you, this is as close to an original thought I've seen from you, with nearly a touch of humour, and not much vitriol, so I'll give you some credit here

 

[Welsh Exile]

Tate made numerous comments about playing a character didn't he?

Your fundamentally misunderstanding Internet culture, kids know that EVERYTHING on social media is fake, Mr Beast videos all staged etc... they engage because it's funny.

The same way you and I did in 2006, those things are hilarious because they are disgusting, the absurdity of keeping a mentally disabled person in a cage, then laughing when he gets out and rapes his sister while the family high fives. Kids today laugh because Tate sits in a studio, top less with a tiger tattoo smoking cigars calling women Haram, preaching the koran, and saying men who have sex with women for just fun are gay.

I'm not defending the Tates as you well know, but there are 100% commonalities between the worldwide outrage of Tate and the worldwide outrage with Borat.

The difference is, you enjoyed laughing about raping minors in 2006, and now you’re on a moral high ground because kids are laughing at similar things.

Yes, because one is a comedian and the other ran a webcam business where he allegedly trafficked women, some young girls even. What are you not getting about this. Are we comparing fiction with non fiction now.

 

[McTallshort]

It's like he thinks everyone in the world thought Borat was a real person.

He probably believed in Santa until he was a teenager. Now Santa there's a funny one, a lot like Jimmy Saville giving gifts to children

 

[McTallshort]

To be fair to you, this is as close to an original thought I've seen from you, with nearly a touch of humour, and not much vitriol, so I'll give you some credit here

someone's getting uspet

 

[dirty harry]

You could compare him to anyone on this criteria. Jesus. Even Trump or a million other people.

But you agree with the criteria, which was my original point. Borat and Tate have those in common, boys telling their female teachers they should not be educated, or calling them prostitutes, the same way kids recently asked their teachers what colour their Bugatti was, or and calling them Haram.

 

[dirty harry]

He probably believed in Santa until he was a teenager. Now Santa there's a funny one, a lot like Jimmy Saville giving gifts to children

Ok, you've had your moment... give up

 

[dirty harry]

Yes, because one is a comedian and the other ran a webcam business where he allegedly trafficked women, some young girls even. What are you not getting about this. Are we comparing fiction with non fiction now.

Why are you, I'm hoping not in bad faith comparing Borat with the crimes alleged against Tate. I've been very specific in co.paring the characters, style of humour and influence on a young generation.

 

[Welsh Exile]

But you agree with the criteria, which was my original point. Borat and Tate have those in common, boys telling their female teachers they should not be educated, or calling them prostitutes, the same way kids recently asked their teachers what colour their Bugatti was, or and calling them Haram.

No I don’t agree on the criteria at all as it’s pointless hence why I said you could lump loads of different types of people into that group and there’s no point to it. What I contend is that one was clearly a comical character, you could watch other characters he has portrayed like Ali G or my favourite the Mossad agent in his more recent series in America. BUT, most importantly, you could actually watch real ******* interviews with Cohen and listen to him talk about his characters. You can’t do this with Tate as he’s not a comedian.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Why are you, I'm hoping not in bad faith comparing Borat with the crimes alleged against Tate. I've been very specific in co.paring the characters, style of humour and influence on a young generation.

Yes, and Tate is not a character. Borat clearly was.

 

[dirty harry]

No I don’t agree on the criteria at all as it’s pointless hence why I said you could lump loads of different types of people into that group and there’s no point to it. What I contend is that one was clearly a comical character, you could watch other characters he has portrayed like Ali G or my favourite the Mossad agent in his more recent series in America. BUT, most importantly, you could actually watch real ******* interviews with Cohen and listen to him talk about his characters. You can’t do this with Tate as he’s not a comedian.

Because you don't understand Internet culture. Nothing is real, noone breaks character unless forced. The type of celebrity your looking at is antiquated and old.

Does Mr Beast acknowledge his shows are all rigged? Do the Kardashians give interviews on what it's like having to live the lie?

Do you honestly think Ishowspeed runs around barking at people, back flipping in front of kids and acting like a hyper fuelled cartoon character off camera?

Social media influencers, and personalities live the characters they play, they all die with the lie. Look at the liver king. This is today's environment, you might not understand it, but neither did 50 year olds understand Borat 20 years ago

 

[Welsh Exile]

Because you don't understand Internet culture. Nothing is real, noone breaks character unless forced. The type of celebrity your looking at is antiquated and old.

Does Mr Beast acknowledge his shows are all rigged? Do the Kardashians give interviews on what it's like having to live the lie?

Do you honestly think Ishowspeed runs around barking at people, back flipping in front of kids and acting like a hyper fuelled cartoon character off camera?

Social media influencers, and personalities live the characters they play, they all die with the lie. Look at the liver king. This is today's environment, you might not understand it, but neither did 50 year olds understand Borat 20 years ago

I imagine most of his followers feel it’s very real. Out of interest, what do you think the real Andrew Tate is like? Must be hard being in character as much as he is. What a method actor.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Anyway. Has anyone heard the latest about the Epstein files being released? No me either but in many ways Epstein reminds me a lot of Tommy Cooper and think they were both similar

Harry currently composing an essay to say why this is all fine but isn't sure whether to go with the "They're all fantastic businessmen" angle or the "Albert Steptoe was a lecherous old man and a beloved institution" angle

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think this might be the maddest thing you've ever said. The other crazy stuff you've said I've heard other crazy people say. But, to be fair to you, I have never heard anyone compare Borat with Andrew Tate

 

[dirty harry]

I imagine most of his followers feel it’s very real. Out of interest, what do you think the real Andrew Tate is like? Must be hard being in character as much as he is. What a method actor.

Mate your not listening...

XQC doesn't smash his games consoles up in real life, it's entertainment. Hasan Piker says the most outrageous stuff for views, "9/11 was a good thing, isreal needs blowing up etc

Kai Cenat is probably not a real hyper active toy in real life, they are characatures for online profiles.

I have no idea what Tate is like, and I have no interest. He is on par with some of the others named above, but to a more extreme degree.

Let's use another example, Jack Doherty walks around with body guards trying to instigate fights with members of the public, and when they react his security detains them. He crashes super cars on public highways while driving recklessly and videoing himself do it.

Johnny Somali rose to fame for verbally abusing and taunting Japanese and Korean people about Hiroshima, stealing police officers hats, jumping on and riding people, and recently being beaten up, and then arrested.

Fame whores will do and say whatever they can for attention, Tate certainly does

 

[Welsh Exile]

Mate your not listening...

XQC doesn't smash his games consoles up in real life, it's entertainment. Hasan Piker says the most outrageous stuff for views, "9/11 was a good thing, isreal needs blowing up etc

Kai Cenat is probably not a real hyper active toy in real life, they are characatures for online profiles.

I have no idea what Tate is like, and I have no interest. He is on par with some of the others named above, but to a more extreme degree.

Let's use another example, Jack Doherty walks around with body guards trying to instigate fights with members of the public, and when they react his security detains them. He crashes super cars on public highways while driving recklessly and videoing himself do it.

Johnny Somali rose to fame for verbally abusing and taunting Japanese and Korean people about Hiroshima, stealing police officers hats, jumping on and riding people, and recently being beaten up, and then arrested.

Fame whores will do and say whatever they can for attention, Tate certainly does

So did Tate not run a web cam business where he has gone into specific detail about how he ran it with his brother, how he lured women into it and kept them there? Was that all pretend was it? The other people you mention didn't make their money of sex trafficking did they.

 

[McTallshort]

So did Tate not run a web cam business where he has gone into specific detail about how he ran it with his brother, how he lured women into it and kept them there? Was that all pretend was it? The other people you mention didn't make their money of sex trafficking did they.

No you are thinking of Peter Kay

 

[McTallshort]

Harry currently composing an essay to say why this is all fine but isn't sure whether to go with the "They're all fantastic businessmen" angle or the "Albert Steptoe was a lecherous old man and a beloved institution" angle

Or "they say lots of positive things for young men" as opposed to "Dell boy was also a criminal"

 

[dirty harry]

So did Tate not run a web cam business where he has gone into specific detail about how he ran it with his brother, how he lured women into it and kept them there? Was that all pretend was it? The other people you mention didn't make their money of sex trafficking did they.

Jesus, it's like you lack understanding purposely.

I've told you, at least 3 times now my comparison was regarding humour style, the type of character and the effect on a younger generation.

Why do I have to keep reiterating very basic points. I'm not talking about the allegations of Sasha Baron Cohen, by numerous women, and his wife doing a runner after a number came out. Because it isn't relevant in my comparison.

The similarities are 100% there, argue as much as you like, as they are with Ali G, and probably some other shock style characters, but the cultural impact on negatively effecting young boys behaviours applies to Borat better

 

[Ddanno]

Jesus wtf is going on in here

 

[AlRums]

He's not, give up on him.

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