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** All-time XV's Thread **

I agree with the tipsy Irishman above me (EDIT: or not, apparently. o_O).

And to be a great player you need to be good in all facets of the game. King fails at defence, ergo he can't be in a World XV. Using your logic you could say that Morgan Stoddart is the best fullback in Europe.
 
tispy? never. justfound out that teachers strike was cancelled and i have to go in tomorrow oops
pffff.... that would be taking away for the awesomeness of the mighty balshaw
 
most skillfull wales 15 since 1980

1 Gethin Jenkins (Blues) current

2 Barry Williams (Ospreys) retired 2004

3 Jon Davies (Llanelli) retired 2006

4 Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys) current

5 Rob Norster (Cardiff) mid to late 80s

6 Richard Webster (Swansea) late eighties to mid nineties

7 Martyn Williams (Blues) current

8 Micheal Owen (Saracens) grandslam captain 2005

9 Rob Howley (Cardiff) retired 2002

10 Paul Turner (West Hartlepool) late eighties retired mid nineties, currently dragons coach

11 Shane Williams (Ospreys) current

12 Mark Ring (Cardiff) retired 1996

13 Allan Bateman (Maesteg) nineties

14 Ieuan Evans (Llanelli) retired 2001

15 Tony Clement (Swansea) late eighties to mid nineties, also played flyhalf
 
no Graham Price either, the man's an absolute legend, remember a quality interview with him on the BBC before one of the Wales England matches, great stuff, you just had to love the passion he had for the game.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Mar 30 2009, 04:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'd have Quinell ahead of Owen every time.[/b]

i'd rather play less one dimensional rugby...

although a lovely bloke, a great servent to welsh and llanelli rugby he is niether dimensional or skillfull

he was excellent at running towards a try line with several hopefull defenders hanging on to him



john davies was the greatest prop in welsh rugby bar none. ask anyone who played against him, he was wrongfully sent off for kicking will carling in the head in a match in the 1997 Five Nations and when the WRU failed to defend him at the IRB hearing he complained and was never selected for wales again

though he was an excellent servant for llanelli RFC
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GimleyUK @ Mar 29 2009, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Mar 30 2009, 04:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd have Quinell ahead of Owen every time.[/b]

i'd rather play less one dimensional rugby...

although a lovely bloke, a great servent to welsh and llanelli rugby he is niether dimensional or skillfull

he was excellent at running towards a try line with several hopefull defenders hanging on to him



john davies was the greatest prop in welsh rugby bar none. ask anyone who played against him, he was wrongfully sent off for kicking will carling in the head in a match in the 1997 Five Nations and when the WRU failed to defend him at the IRB hearing he complained and was never selected for wales again

though he was an excellent servant for llanelli RFC
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good lord Graham Price has 12 Lions caps to his name, not exactly lacking in terms of quality there either, not to mention a couple of grand slams under his belt but unlike the Lions caps that's not overly relevant in terms of including him here.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Mar 30 2009, 04:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GimleyUK @ Mar 29 2009, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Mar 30 2009, 04:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd have Quinell ahead of Owen every time.[/b]

i'd rather play less one dimensional rugby...

although a lovely bloke, a great servent to welsh and llanelli rugby he is niether dimensional or skillfull

he was excellent at running towards a try line with several hopefull defenders hanging on to him



john davies was the greatest prop in welsh rugby bar none. ask anyone who played against him, he was wrongfully sent off for kicking will carling in the head in a match in the 1997 Five Nations and when the WRU failed to defend him at the IRB hearing he complained and was never selected for wales again

though he was an excellent servant for llanelli RFC
[/b][/quote]

good lord Graham Price has 12 Lions caps to his name, not exactly lacking in terms of quality there either, not to mention a couple of grand slams under his belt but unlike the Lions caps that's not overly relevant in terms of including him here.
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MATE

IM WELSH I KNOW WHO GRAHAM BLOODY PRICE IS...!

you obviously don't know who John Davies is!
 
More a 90's XV, but I'm only 22 so...

15. Serge Blanco

14. Emile N'Tamack

13. Philippe Sella

12.Yannick Jauzion

11. Philippe Saint André

10. Christope Lamaison

9. Fabien Galthié

8. Abdelatif Benazzi

7. Jean Pierre Rives

6. Serge Betsen

5. Olivier Roumat

4. Fabien Pelous

3. Pieter de Villiers

2. Raphael Ibanez

1. Christian Califano
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ Mar 30 2009, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
oh dear starting a knowledge battle with the wrong man there mate[/b]
i'm not starting anything...! Seriously, trying to remind a Welsh rugby fan who Graham Price is, is the equivalent of asking an England fan if they have ever one a world cup in the last six years.

I would rather that he offers an opinion to why he thought Graham Price a better prop than John Davies. that may prove he does know a thing or two about rugby, and also possibly make for interesting reading for other people ?
 
Well in fairness, he did say that Price has had 12 Lions caps. You'd surely have to be a good player to get that many, right?

Also, don't call people out on their rugby knowledge here. We all back up our points here, no matter how wrong they may be. ;)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Mar 30 2009, 05:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Well in fairness, he did say that Price has had 12 Lions caps. You'd surely have to be a good player to get that many, right?

Also, don't call people out on their rugby knowledge here. We all back up our points here, no matter how wrong they may be. ;)[/b]

Graham Price did get 12 Lions caps.

John Davies did not.

Hmmm yes your right...! but that doesnt prove a point ! neither does you repeating what someone else has written. Do you have anything interesting to write about rugby or just the about this threads contributers ? i dont think you proved a point as you suggested you would in your article.

the fact is that Davies and Price played in completely different eras, and i am not using the argument that graham price is 15 stone, he would be lucky to play at scrum half in the modern game, but that the difficulties in playing tight head in the modern game far outweigh the stature of a player alone.

John Davies was far more mobile than many of his contemporaries, more like Gethin Jenkins today, things were different back in the early 1980s. In Prices day a props job involved walking from one scrum to the next and grunting hard. (although he is most famous for the try he scored against france on his 1975 debut).

John Davies, was quite short of stature for a tighthead though he used his lack of hieght to his advantage becoming technically brilliant scrummager

around the pitch davies was one of the first props to have a high tackle count.

that is why i would put davies as the greatest tight head prop to have played for wales.

it is very unfortunate that the WRU blindly cut off his international career in his prime.
 
Hey, you said An didn't back up his point with anything. I just posted what he said, thus showing you that he did back up his point, and you weren't paying attention.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Mar 30 2009, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Hey, you said An didn't back up his point with anything. I just posted what he said, thus showing you that he did back up his point, and you weren't paying attention.[/b]
do either of you have any points other than the guy was capped for the lions.

because as i said it would be hard to compare one player who excelled in a day where the role of a prop was purely pushing in the scrum and anything else a bonus and another who excelled in an era where his position was changing dramatically

as i have already said it is criminal that Davies was not awarded the opportunity to represent wales more than he did.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stillknox @ Mar 30 2009, 05:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
More a 90's XV, but I'm only 22 so...[/b]
how come you decided on benazzi over harinourdiquy?

france are incredibly blessed with number eights over the last thirty years and bennazi was a fantastic player though Harinourdiquys impact in the last few years as an athelete, as a link player as well as performing his normal back row duties is quite exceptional. maybe only bettered currently when Parisse is playing his best. spies parisse and harinoudiquy are the three specialist number 8s i rate the most currently in international rugby
And what about thomas castinede at 10, he was exceptional absolutely destroying Wales at Wembley. his all round trickery created huge attacking opportunity's for france whether he played at 10 12 or 13. such a difficult player to defend against, as it would appear to be almost impossible to calculate which trick, side step, clever kick, jink or pass he was going to entertain the french crowd with next.
 
I'll go with:

01 Gethin Jenkins
02 Barry Williams (cheers GimleyUK, almost forgot about him!)
03 Graham Price (Possibly would have gone for the entire Pontypool front row, if the other two played into the 80's)
04 Alun-Wyn Jones (Gough is unlucky)
05 Rob Norster (cheers Gimley)
06 Colin Charvis (not always loved, but a great player and is up there on the try scoring list!)
07 Martyn Williams
08 Scott Quinell

09 Robert Howley
10 Jonathan Davies (Went to League, but was an awesome player, one of the best dual codes ever)
11 Shane Williams (try scoring extrodanare)
12 Scott Gibbs (That try v England in 1999 is still one of my favs)
13 Allan Bateman (another who went to League, compliments Gibbs perfectly)
14 Ieuan Evans
15 Tony Clement (again I've stolen that from Gimley, as I can't think of anyone, Lee Burne's only been good for a season and a half)

There's a couple of positions I'm not so clued up on, including second rows (all I know is Derwyn Jones was crap), and fullback, there hasn't been a true great lately, Kevin Morgan came close, but was injury prone. The other position I'm not totally convinced by is Hooker as I can't remember who played in the 80's - 90's.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dullonien @ Mar 30 2009, 06:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'll go with:

01 Gethin Jenkins
02 Barry Williams (cheers GimleyUK, almost forgot about him!)
03 Graham Price (Possibly would have gone for the entire Pontypool front row, if the other two played into the 80's)
04 Alun-Wyn Jones (Gough is unlucky)
05 Rob Norster (cheers Gimley)
06 Colin Charvis (not always loved, but a great player and is up there on the try scoring list!)
07 Martyn Williams
08 Scott Quinell

09 Robert Howley
10 Jonathan Davies (Went to League, but was an awesome player, one of the best dual codes ever)
11 Shane Williams (try scoring extrodanare)
12 Scott Gibbs (That try v England in 1999 is still one of my favs)
13 Allan Bateman (another who went to League, compliments Gibbs perfectly)
14 Ieuan Evans
15 Tony Clement (again I've stolen that from Gimley, as I can't think of anyone, Lee Burne's only been good for a season and a half)

There's a couple of positions I'm not so clued up on, including second rows (all I know is Derwyn Jones was crap), and fullback, there hasn't been a true great lately, Kevin Morgan came close, but was injury prone. The other position I'm not totally convinced by is Hooker as I can't remember who played in the 80's - 90's.[/b]

we didn't have any great hookers in the 90s other than williams or maybe Jonathan humphries...!
 
Hmm, Humphries would def come close. Mervyn Davies is the only other one that comes to mind, and he couldn't throw straight! Can you remember who played during the 80's?
 
  1. Gethin Jenkins
  2. Johnathan Humphreys
  3. Graham Price
  4. Alun Wyn-Jones
  5. Gareth Llewellyn
  6. Gwyn Jones (The next Lions Captain before his horrendus injury)
  7. Martyn Williams
  8. Scott Quinnell
  9. Rob Howley
  10. Neil Jenkins (Any clown who puts Jiffy here is seriously flawed)
  11. Dafydd James
  12. Scott Gibbs
  13. Alan Bateman
  14. Ieuan Evans
  15. JPR Williams (Last Cap: 07/02/1981 vs Scotland)

Metions:

Dai Young
Peter Rodgers
Garin Jenkins
Barry Williams
Rob Norster
Allan Martin
Emyr Lewis
Hemi Taylor
Rob Jones
Rupert Moon
Jonathan Davies
Steve Fenwick
Mark Ring
Mark Taylor
Mike Hall
Gareth Thomas
Paul Thorburn
 

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