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At the risk of sounding like an old camudgeon...

Wtf is wrong with community in 2025?

Im currently walking the dog and litter picking in the local park, and it seems to be turning into a daily battle.

I pick maybe 40 bits a day, and every morning there'sore than the day before. The council are uninterested despite my constant complaints, the cut the grass once a year, dont tend to the bushes, or litter pick.

What annoys me is the bins are always empty, and there 6 in a park of about 60m by 60m, plenty. There's a play park and football posts, littered with needles and trash.

Im not a preacher, I dont rag on about it locally, and I dont need anyone to have to make a massive effort, just dont make an effort to wreck the place, is that too much to ask?!?!?!

As I wrote this a house backing onto the park wreaks of weed, its 6am you useless ****!!!!!

Sorry for the rant!
I'm amazed at the number of people I know who supported smoking weed who also thought there was nothing wrong with doing it at a time when you wouldn't drink unless you were an alcoholic.
 
I'm amazed at the number of people I know who supported smoking weed who also thought there was nothing wrong with doing it at a time when you wouldn't drink unless you were an alcoholic.

Im not really anti weed tbh, but 6am ffs. I know who it is, no job, 5.kids, 1 lives with him, broken relationships, no real health issues but gets PIP i guarentee, council house the works.

I have to deal with weed daily, I cannot stand the smell it makes me wretch, especially this cheap **** all the kids buy from the arsehole dealers.

Weed has become far more dangerous also, 18 hospitalisations this year our charity has had, 3 last weekend for suspected overdose, but turned out to be poisoning. The variants, the linings, the chemicals they put into home made gummies etc, its a new minefield noone talks about.

Anyway my rant was just frustration, theres a lot of benefit cheats locally to me, more than happy to flaunt it, I clean thos blwdi park and they seem to want to destroy it lol.

Miserable old git I know.
 
Problem solved.



Rocking up to the job centre in taxis seems like a joke, until you work in the industry and realise its absolutely normal lol.

Australian academics came up with a strategy years ago, of increasing welfare and essentially make it UBI, it was a voluntary sign up effort, so if out of work you could opt for the basic welfare, or the enhanced welfare. The enhanced increased living standards immensely, but came with voluntary sterilisation.

The idea was to break the cycle of poverty, and the crime and disorder that were by products. The current generation of poor people would live better lives, and would not pass on generations of family, so the welfare payments would shrink to near 0 after a few decades.

It was obviously not taken beyond the theoretical stage, human rights reasons etc. I think one review essentially said it was gene pool manipulation (I mean, sounds horrendous right?)

Im not advocating for it, but id be fascinated to watch the results if it were implemented!

Ultimately, I think the rate of sign up to the enhanced would be near 100%, until they wanted children, sign off it, have children and sign back up to it hahaha.
 
Rocking up to the job centre in taxis seems like a joke, until you work in the industry and realise its absolutely normal lol.

Australian academics came up with a strategy years ago, of increasing welfare and essentially make it UBI, it was a voluntary sign up effort, so if out of work you could opt for the basic welfare, or the enhanced welfare. The enhanced increased living standards immensely, but came with voluntary sterilisation.

The idea was to break the cycle of poverty, and the crime and disorder that were by products. The current generation of poor people would live better lives, and would not pass on generations of family, so the welfare payments would shrink to near 0 after a few decades.

It was obviously not taken beyond the theoretical stage, human rights reasons etc. I think one review essentially said it was gene pool manipulation (I mean, sounds horrendous right?)

Im not advocating for it, but id be fascinated to watch the results if it were implemented!

Ultimately, I think the rate of sign up to the enhanced would be near 100%, until they wanted children, sign off it, have children and sign back up to it hahaha.
Didn't they test UBI in wales as well or am I making that up?

I think the whole benefit fraud thing is overplayed to be honest. It makes up what, 2-3%. Not a big issue imo.
 
The cost of benefit fraud is eclipsed by the cost of tax dodging by the wealthiest. However benefit fraud is very easy to go after politically, tax dodging is much harder. A certain segment of society also seem to have a weird view that the ultra wealthy should pay less tax than the poor.
 
Didn't they test UBI in wales as well or am I making that up?

I think the whole benefit fraud thing is overplayed to be honest. It makes up what, 2-3%. Not a big issue imo.

Yes they did a 2 year trial, BIP (Basic Income Pilot). Everyone in the industry was very excited by the idea...

Until they set the parameters, turning 18, leaving care to transition to independent living.

So a few issues:

1. When leaving care, BIP blocked you from applying for council properties, and private landlords won't consider these kids with guarantee schemes, which coincidentally dont exist any more. So can't get a council flat because of income, can't get private. Most of these kids ended up in semi independent living, paying 300- 400+ per week in rent.

2. Those who tries to bypass the system and return to friends and family, essentially making themselves homeless with that kind of money found themselves coerced and manipulated.

3. Residential and foster care aren't capable of designing and implementing ILS programmes adequately, thos kids still in the care system at 18 are the least prepared to live independently, those best equipped move out between from 16.

4. There were a number of kids who turned 18, had family who helped be a guarantor, and moved into their own flat... but had a 60% faulure rate, and they ended up back homeless.

5. So, as an organisation, we created an action group, cross organisations, of volunteers to coordinate and get some stats from some of these kids. I think they managed dats from just under 200 of the 600 or so.

At risk of homelessness (56 days) increased, debt increased, accommodation failure increased, and nearly every kid who did it stated they thought it had a negative effect on their life.

It was designed to fail, set up for the most vulnerable, and least capable adults in Wales to participate and ensure it didnt create a positive buzz about the idea.
 
The cost of benefit fraud is eclipsed by the cost of tax dodging by the wealthiest. However benefit fraud is very easy to go after politically, tax dodging is much harder. A certain segment of society also seem to have a weird view that the ultra wealthy should pay less tax than the poor.

Dog poop on the pavement is massively eclipsed by violent assault, countries can deal with multiple issues at once.

Not that im saying fraud is that big an issue, I get more annoyed by the individual than the system, and actually I would advocate for a far better funded system, but one that focuses on breaking the cycle of generational use of the system, over short term political interests.
 
Dog poop on the pavement is massively eclipsed by violent assault, countries can deal with multiple issues at once.

Not that im saying fraud is that big an issue, I get more annoyed by the individual than the system, and actually I would advocate for a far better funded system, but one that focuses on breaking the cycle of generational use of the system, over short term political interests.
It's not about being able to deal with things simultaneously but more about what there is the will to deal with. Benefit fraud is an easy one for governments to say they will crack down on and for people to get furious about. When it comes down to actually defrauding the country, it's not even close to the biggest culprit, it's just the one that gets the most attention.
 

I guess having a pet lion escape and go on a rampage is antisocial.
Credit to that guy who immediately runs at the lion to scare it off. Balls of steel.

EDIT Just noticed it escaped from his property. Still big balls but also a dick, the full scrotum works.
 
Weed has become far more dangerous also, 18 hospitalisations this year our charity has had, 3 last weekend for suspected overdose, but turned out to be poisoning. The variants, the linings, the chemicals they put into home made gummies etc, its a new minefield noone talks about.
Sound like a good case to legalise it. Along with every other drug.
 
Sound like a good case to legalise it. Along with every other drug.

Well I'm not sure about every other drug, but weed certainly.

Portugal have done some really good stuff in recent years, their reforms have shown consistent reduction in usage, and crime related to.
 
Well I'm not sure about every other drug, but weed certainly.

Portugal have done some really good stuff in recent years, their reforms have shown consistent reduction in usage, and crime related to.
I can understand your hesitation but for me, all the arguments you can use to legalise weed apply for any other drug. Regulate it, make money off it, take it largely out of the hands of organised criminal groups and, most importantly, make the drug as safe as you can for the user.
 
95% of heroin is from Afghan. So not sure how you'd stop giving them money.

Plus is there enough information out there on long term use and dependency impacts on the NHS.

Drug driving testing, work place drug testing currently isn't great as it stands either.
 
95% of heroin is from Afghan. So not sure how you'd stop giving them money.

Plus is there enough information out there on long term use and dependency impacts on the NHS.

Drug driving testing, work place drug testing currently isn't great as it stands either.
What do you mean stop giving them money? You would carry on giving them money it would just be a business doing it legally as opposed to criminals doing it illegally.

You are probably right about long term use impacting the NHS but that happens now, right? At least with legalisation, like we do with cigs and alcohol, we can put money back into the NHS and programs that are aimed at trying to get addicts off the drug they're addicted to.

On your last post, as the old saying goes, "necessity is the mother of invention" I'm sure once I become ruler of the world and legalise all drugs someone would sort out better drug testing and what not.
 
What do you mean stop giving them money? You would carry on giving them money it would just be a business doing it legally as opposed to criminals doing it illegally.

You are probably right about long term use impacting the NHS but that happens now, right? At least with legalisation, like we do with cigs and alcohol, we can put money back into the NHS and programs that are aimed at trying to get addicts off the drug they're addicted to.

On your last post, as the old saying goes, "necessity is the mother of invention" I'm sure once I become ruler of the world and legalise all drugs someone would sort out better drug testing and what not.
Not sure it would sit well with people and the Goverment legally giving the Taliban money for smack.

Are you creating more or less addicts with legalisation. Not sure that creating more addicts that then pay into the system for treating more addicts is good for the NHS.

I don't know the answer, I'm just wary of having to create more solutions for problems we created. Better the devil you know kind of thing
 


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