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Maccaweeny
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Charles
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Aug 8 2009, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I was speaking of SA. It has the perfect scenario for a French victory. Massive SA team coming over full of (over)confidence, not-too-flash looking French team, and voila, big upset.
I was speaking of SA. It has the perfect scenario for a French victory. Massive SA team coming over full of (over)confidence, not-too-flash looking French team, and voila, big upset.
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Jer1cho
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As much as i love my team, this kick every ball we get thing is really starting to annoy me. Not ONE move from scrumhalf to wing. Fourie du Preez kicked pretty much every single ball away.
Morne Steyn and Heinrich Brussow beat Australia by themselves.
Francois Steyn and JP Pieterson had shockers.
I don't know how we keep winning by playing so badly. Our forward play is pretty solid, and we are gods in the lineouts and in the lose, but we desperately need to get a backline structure going. DESPERATELY.
Morne Steyn and Heinrich Brussow beat Australia by themselves.
Francois Steyn and JP Pieterson had shockers.
I don't know how we keep winning by playing so badly. Our forward play is pretty solid, and we are gods in the lineouts and in the lose, but we desperately need to get a backline structure going. DESPERATELY.
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Bullitt
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Maccaweeny @ Aug 8 2009, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Naturally, should such a travesty happen for a mighty southern team to suffer defeat, it will of course be due to incompetent refereeing, cheating northerners and arrogance to not adopt the ELVs...
Naturally, should such a travesty happen for a mighty southern team to suffer defeat, it will of course be due to incompetent refereeing, cheating northerners and arrogance to not adopt the ELVs...
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Boggle
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Aug 8 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
It's a shame you think that, one would suspect it's because you had the better team, but I guess if you want to blame our occasional defeat on bad refereeing than you guys really must suck.
It's a shame you think that, one would suspect it's because you had the better team, but I guess if you want to blame our occasional defeat on bad refereeing than you guys really must suck.
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Aug 9 2009, 04:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I doubt it.
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France-SA will be interesting. But Ireland-SA is (obviously) the one for me.
I expect Kidney will play it very conservative. Rely on Hayes-POC at lineout - a combination that showed how to unlock the SA lineout in the last part of the third Lions test - then ROG pinging them all over the park, and finally unleashing BOD on the joke that is the SA midfield while Ferris keeps smacking in to Brussouw. I wish
Fairly dull match today, hardly any rhythm. Wonderful kicking displa ... zzzzzz. To be fair, Brussouw is probably the best find in world rugby for a few years.
Aus came up against the brickwall defence like the ABs last week. Hints of how lethal SA are out wide, but it's just too risky for them to try because of their Laurel & Hardy midfield.
I doubt it.
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France-SA will be interesting. But Ireland-SA is (obviously) the one for me.
I expect Kidney will play it very conservative. Rely on Hayes-POC at lineout - a combination that showed how to unlock the SA lineout in the last part of the third Lions test - then ROG pinging them all over the park, and finally unleashing BOD on the joke that is the SA midfield while Ferris keeps smacking in to Brussouw. I wish
Fairly dull match today, hardly any rhythm. Wonderful kicking displa ... zzzzzz. To be fair, Brussouw is probably the best find in world rugby for a few years.
Aus came up against the brickwall defence like the ABs last week. Hints of how lethal SA are out wide, but it's just too risky for them to try because of their Laurel & Hardy midfield.
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Stillknox
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ Aug 8 2009, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
More seriously, another impressive won for SA but this is almost too easy. 3 yellow cards....It will be interesting to see them away against New Zealand (with the return of Jesus) or against France and Ireland in november.
Well, playing badly and being horribly boring is often the better way to won games. Australia 99, England 2003, SA 2007, the Munster... the Blues/Crusaders were the exception but happily, the Bulls are taking the power. If South Africa keep this rythm I think they could win the next RWC with Morne Steyn scoring all the points of the competition. God bless the ELVs !
More seriously, another impressive won for SA but this is almost too easy. 3 yellow cards....It will be interesting to see them away against New Zealand (with the return of Jesus) or against France and Ireland in november.
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gingergenius
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stillknox @ Aug 8 2009, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
More seriously, another impressive won for SA but this is almost too easy. 3 yellow cards....It will be interesting to see them away against New Zealand (with the return of Jesus) or against France and Ireland in november.
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the way things are going, South Africa's pack is SO dominant it's going to take a really grizzly set of bullies armed with an in-form goalkicker to get close to beating them. Frankly, the ABs really need someone grim in the second row. Along with Tialata, So'oialo, Kaino and McCaw being very f***ing agressive, and the Diamond being himself. And home advantage. Otherwise, there's only one team in the world who can beat them at the moment. They'll have to use all their nasty knowledge of fighting and gouging and all things horrible, and they'll require some monstrous performances throughout the team, but I think the French on their day can beat anyone.
Either that or Teh Mite's gospel will come true and they'll come up against an English side with the entire nasty pack from 2003.
Well, playing badly and being horribly boring is often the better way to won games. Australia 99, England 2003, SA 2007, the Munster... the Blues/Crusaders were the exception but happily, the Bulls are taking the power. If South Africa keep this rythm I think they could win the next RWC with Morne Steyn scoring all the points of the competition. God bless the ELVs !
More seriously, another impressive won for SA but this is almost too easy. 3 yellow cards....It will be interesting to see them away against New Zealand (with the return of Jesus) or against France and Ireland in november.
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the way things are going, South Africa's pack is SO dominant it's going to take a really grizzly set of bullies armed with an in-form goalkicker to get close to beating them. Frankly, the ABs really need someone grim in the second row. Along with Tialata, So'oialo, Kaino and McCaw being very f***ing agressive, and the Diamond being himself. And home advantage. Otherwise, there's only one team in the world who can beat them at the moment. They'll have to use all their nasty knowledge of fighting and gouging and all things horrible, and they'll require some monstrous performances throughout the team, but I think the French on their day can beat anyone.
Either that or Teh Mite's gospel will come true and they'll come up against an English side with the entire nasty pack from 2003.
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BLR
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Aug 9 2009, 03:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Naturally, should such a travesty happen for a mighty southern team to suffer defeat, it will of course be due to incompetent refereeing, cheating northerners and arrogance to not adopt the ELVs...[/b][/quote]
You Northies do tend to cheat quite a bit though.
On the game itself, Giteau seems to have picked up a bit of Brumbiness me thinks, he was a bit of a tremendous douche, I mean, who gets done for dissent?
Naturally, should such a travesty happen for a mighty southern team to suffer defeat, it will of course be due to incompetent refereeing, cheating northerners and arrogance to not adopt the ELVs...[/b][/quote]
You Northies do tend to cheat quite a bit though.
On the game itself, Giteau seems to have picked up a bit of Brumbiness me thinks, he was a bit of a tremendous douche, I mean, who gets done for dissent?
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Thingimubob
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BLR @ Aug 8 2009, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Naturally, should such a travesty happen for a mighty southern team to suffer defeat, it will of course be due to incompetent refereeing, cheating northerners and arrogance to not adopt the ELVs...[/b][/quote]
You Northies do tend to cheat quite a bit though.
On the game itself, Giteau seems to have picked up a bit of Brumbiness me thinks, he was a bit of a tremendous douche, I mean, who gets done for dissent?
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And you Southies (damn it, we sound like Germans ) don't?
On the game, suprised SA didn't run in bag loads of tries when Australia were down to 13 men. Ws a very boring match to watch, far too much kicking for my liking. Good result for SA though, another win or two should see the competition wrapped up.
Naturally, should such a travesty happen for a mighty southern team to suffer defeat, it will of course be due to incompetent refereeing, cheating northerners and arrogance to not adopt the ELVs...[/b][/quote]
You Northies do tend to cheat quite a bit though.
On the game itself, Giteau seems to have picked up a bit of Brumbiness me thinks, he was a bit of a tremendous douche, I mean, who gets done for dissent?
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And you Southies (damn it, we sound like Germans
) don't?On the game, suprised SA didn't run in bag loads of tries when Australia were down to 13 men. Ws a very boring match to watch, far too much kicking for my liking. Good result for SA though, another win or two should see the competition wrapped up.
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Sebastian_Chabal
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shtove @ Aug 8 2009, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I doubt it.
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France-SA will be interesting. But Ireland-SA is (obviously) the one for me.
I expect Kidney will play it very conservative. Rely on Hayes-POC at lineout - a combination that showed how to unlock the SA lineout in the last part of the third Lions test - then ROG pinging them all over the park, and finally unleashing BOD on the joke that is the SA midfield while Ferris keeps smacking in to Brussouw. I wish
Fairly dull match today, hardly any rhythm. Wonderful kicking displa ... zzzzzz. To be fair, Brussouw is probably the best find in world rugby for a few years.
Aus came up against the brickwall defence like the ABs last week. Hints of how lethal SA are out wide, but it's just too risky for them to try because of their Laurel & Hardy midfield.
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How could you consider the last part of the third Lions test as a reference to how unlock SA lineout? I believe every single game's different from the other in all aspects of the game.Today, I was excited with the presence of Spies and smith in lineout, really springboks have more options in lineout (even they stole 2 ball in lines out I think). As for the test against Erin we will discuss that later now let us celebrate the tri-nations triumph against the world record holders of whinging.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ Aug 8 2009, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Well, this is modern rugby, it's all about territory,in few words, kicking with high pressure in defence was the key which forced aussies and the all blacks to commit several mistakes closer to their own 22(handling errors, fouls in breakdown).That led to penalties in kickable position, and opportunities to score tries.As I said, it's all about territory. in my opinion, what's really annoying and prevented us to enjoy Boks games, is the numerous silly handling errors which killed every South African attacks.In fact, that has been the main problem of the current boks generation.
I used to be nervous after every SA game, because I believe this team can outclass any team by large scores, the 53 – 8 of 2008 tri nations against australia would have been easily repeated against B&I lions, all blacks, and especially today's game. But well ok.. Well done Boks
I doubt it.
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France-SA will be interesting. But Ireland-SA is (obviously) the one for me.
I expect Kidney will play it very conservative. Rely on Hayes-POC at lineout - a combination that showed how to unlock the SA lineout in the last part of the third Lions test - then ROG pinging them all over the park, and finally unleashing BOD on the joke that is the SA midfield while Ferris keeps smacking in to Brussouw. I wish
Fairly dull match today, hardly any rhythm. Wonderful kicking displa ... zzzzzz. To be fair, Brussouw is probably the best find in world rugby for a few years.
Aus came up against the brickwall defence like the ABs last week. Hints of how lethal SA are out wide, but it's just too risky for them to try because of their Laurel & Hardy midfield.
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How could you consider the last part of the third Lions test as a reference to how unlock SA lineout? I believe every single game's different from the other in all aspects of the game.Today, I was excited with the presence of Spies and smith in lineout, really springboks have more options in lineout (even they stole 2 ball in lines out I think). As for the test against Erin we will discuss that later now let us celebrate the tri-nations triumph against the world record holders of whinging.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ Aug 8 2009, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Well, this is modern rugby, it's all about territory,in few words, kicking with high pressure in defence was the key which forced aussies and the all blacks to commit several mistakes closer to their own 22(handling errors, fouls in breakdown).That led to penalties in kickable position, and opportunities to score tries.As I said, it's all about territory. in my opinion, what's really annoying and prevented us to enjoy Boks games, is the numerous silly handling errors which killed every South African attacks.In fact, that has been the main problem of the current boks generation.
I used to be nervous after every SA game, because I believe this team can outclass any team by large scores, the 53 – 8 of 2008 tri nations against australia would have been easily repeated against B&I lions, all blacks, and especially today's game. But well ok.. Well done Boks
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Woldog
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Aug 9 2009, 02:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I doubt it.
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Care to elaborate ?
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If France manage to beat South Africa or even play well against them I will do a nudie run around Suncorp Stadium....
France couldn't even beat Australia this year, when you said "Reminds me of France on a bad day" I instantly thought "Reminds me of France on any day" don't rate your team so highly when they aren't that good. the Wallabies got trounced fair and square, I've seen better games played by my Colts team.
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I doubt it.
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Care to elaborate ?
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If France manage to beat South Africa or even play well against them I will do a nudie run around Suncorp Stadium....
France couldn't even beat Australia this year, when you said "Reminds me of France on a bad day" I instantly thought "Reminds me of France on any day" don't rate your team so highly when they aren't that good. the Wallabies got trounced fair and square, I've seen better games played by my Colts team.
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Quote of the year.
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Nickdnz
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Does anyone think that Rugby is being decided less on player talent and more on the players abuility to strickly follow the rules? Like when the game is being dominated with penalties, it sort of ruins it in my view, and the ref becomes too relavent in who wins and loses. I see this alot with SA. If you look at their try scoring acheivments, they have hardly been impressive, it seems they just rely on refereeing to win.
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Flux
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Aug 9 2009, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Arguably, the French that faced Australia was probably tired after a season of rugby (including French rugby finals not long before, I believe) and two matches against the All Blacks, who they usually seem to go up another level of intensity for. Also take into account that the French rugby team can become a totally different beast when they play at home, or whenever they feel like it, and the fact that they'll be playing the best team in the world will give them added incentive.
History shows that when the French feel like it, they are that good. The scenario Charles painted for the Autumn test sounds somewhat similar to a certain match in the 2007 World Cup.
On a slightly more on topic note, I take back the opinion that the All Blacks were their own worst enemy last week. The Springboks have successfully squeezed the worst out of two teams in consectuive weekends, and I now find it hard to believe they were both just playing like idiots. Hats off to the Boks in that case. Still, it'll be interesting to see them on the road.
Arguably, the French that faced Australia was probably tired after a season of rugby (including French rugby finals not long before, I believe) and two matches against the All Blacks, who they usually seem to go up another level of intensity for. Also take into account that the French rugby team can become a totally different beast when they play at home, or whenever they feel like it, and the fact that they'll be playing the best team in the world will give them added incentive.
History shows that when the French feel like it, they are that good. The scenario Charles painted for the Autumn test sounds somewhat similar to a certain match in the 2007 World Cup.
On a slightly more on topic note, I take back the opinion that the All Blacks were their own worst enemy last week. The Springboks have successfully squeezed the worst out of two teams in consectuive weekends, and I now find it hard to believe they were both just playing like idiots. Hats off to the Boks in that case. Still, it'll be interesting to see them on the road.
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Sir Speedy
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nickdnz @ Aug 8 2009, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Pressure equals penalties. It isn't like they're doing nothing to earn them.
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Woldog
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We just finished Super 14, and had three matches before France.
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William18
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nickdnz @ Aug 9 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
In rugby referees make a big difference. Hell, I have watched the game ever since I can remember and when the ref blows the whistle 50% of the time I don't know what it was for. Sir Speedy, below your post, made a very good point. In international rugby not any tries are scored. A wealth of possession and territory goes unrewarded. The teams reward for this is putting pressure on the opposition and making them concede penalties. The points scored through penalties are as a reward or territorial dominance. They aren't really given out randomly. Goal kicker accuracy is one thing that annoys me, it would be nice if they missed a few more times. I think banning kicking tees would be a cool idea, not that it would happen.
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sebastian_Chabal @ Aug 9 2009, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
But, as you say, the Boks have so many options in the lineout. We shall see in the autumn.
BRING. IT. ON.
Matfield is a giant - but POC outjumps him, and everyone else, when he's lifted by Hayes. Everyone in Munster has known that for years, and it was proven again when Hayes came on for the last quarter of that test. What **** poor selection by the Lions - Hayes would have secured their superiority in scrum AND lineout for the whole series.
But, as you say, the Boks have so many options in the lineout. We shall see in the autumn.
BRING. IT. ON.
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Flux
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ Aug 9 2009, 11:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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No Australian teams made the finals and the French finals were after the Super 14 finals anyway. I'm sure those three matches were completely exhausting in comparision to a 6N campaign and two matches against the All Blacks.
We just finished Super 14, and had three matches before France.
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No Australian teams made the finals and the French finals were after the Super 14 finals anyway. I'm sure those three matches were completely exhausting in comparision to a 6N campaign and two matches against the All Blacks.
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KZNSharksFan
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Brussow is a FREAK! He has got to be by far the best openside in the world atm! Can't believe he didn't make the initial team against the Lions.
I hate this kick the ball up bull**** but it works and we're winning so its bearable. To everyone that thinks the SA backs are useless, kindly shut up! If they only ever get the ball as a last desperate option, of course they won't be able to shine! Every single player in the Bok backline has amazing skills and ability. You can't say they're **** if the team's game plan doesn't provide them with any ball!
Also, wtf is up with the Australian commentators? Phil Kearns et all are the most one eyed ******** to walk the earth since the days of the Caribbean Pirates!
Anyway, I enjoyed the win, but I can't say I'm really enjoying the game plan, as successful as it is. Good win to the Boks, one more and it's in the bag.
I hate this kick the ball up bull**** but it works and we're winning so its bearable. To everyone that thinks the SA backs are useless, kindly shut up! If they only ever get the ball as a last desperate option, of course they won't be able to shine! Every single player in the Bok backline has amazing skills and ability. You can't say they're **** if the team's game plan doesn't provide them with any ball!
Also, wtf is up with the Australian commentators? Phil Kearns et all are the most one eyed ******** to walk the earth since the days of the Caribbean Pirates!
Anyway, I enjoyed the win, but I can't say I'm really enjoying the game plan, as successful as it is. Good win to the Boks, one more and it's in the bag.
