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califauna

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Hi,

Anyone know if Eddie Jones has a non-compete clause (or something equivalent) in his contract preventing him from consulting with or coaching another national team until after WC 2023 if he were to be released before then by the RFU?

Thanks.
 

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Hi,

Anyone know if Eddie Jones has a non-compete clause (or something equivalent) in his contract preventing him from consulting with or coaching another national team until after WC 2023 if he were to be released before then by the RFU?

Thanks.
Given that he's been acting as a consultant to Japan in the recent past, I doubt it. It doesn't really seem like a thing in sport anyway
 

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I've never heard of one either. Without one preventing him coaching another tier one team it seems unthinkable to me that RFU would terminate his contract before WC given the monumental strategic advantage it would hand to however he went and coached/consulted with, but all that doesn't seem to stop the journos talking up Jones being fired if England lose remaining 6N matches. I imagine they are mainly baiting the pessimists/Jones haters there but still raises the question in my mind.
 

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I've never heard of one either. Without one preventing him coaching another tier one team it seems unthinkable to me that RFU would terminate his contract before WC given the monumental strategic advantage it would hand to however he went and coached/consulted with, but all that doesn't seem to stop the journos talking up Jones being fired if England lose remaining 6N matches. I imagine they are mainly baiting the pessimists/Jones haters there but still raises the question in my mind.
Although it's rare to fire a coach close to a WC, look what happened when SA did it. If England finish 5th, it will be our worst run in the 6N ever.
 

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OK so that's interesting. Farrel was indeed prevented from coaching other national teams for 5 months after Jones sacked everyone when Stuart Lancaster resigned after the 2015 WC.

The financial cost to RFU of terminating Eddie Jones' contract at this point must be enormous, especially if there were a non-compete clause given there are still 18 months until WC 2023, but the above suggests that such a clause is possible in theory.

Even with such a clause, in the event of EJ becoming a free agent it doesn't seem that hard to imagine interesting information making its way across the dinner table after a few glasses of red at Dave Rennie's house, so still kinda hard for me to see him going anywhere personally.
 
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Imagine asking Jones for secret info on England.

What are England’s special backs moves

Jones: we don’t have any mate

What are englands tactics

Jones: I tell them to kick the ball all the time mate

What’s your defensive structure

Jones: just go wide around our defence like every team does mate
 

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I for one have no problem with Eddie Jones being offloaded. Yes he may well have certain insights into us, but a new coaching era and their approaches will rapidly diminish that benefit. How much more damage, baffling decisions - “we’re not going to show our attacking game until the World Cup…players can play anywhere…we can win the game without the ball” - continued contraction of our play, overcomplication, high coach turnover and lack of selection consistency must we have to put up with, with fast Eddie before the RFU finally realise he is not up to the job.

Even yesterday you heard Eddie Jones scapegoating by mentioning how our younger players will gain much needed experience from this. A simple sentence that deflects from his own shortcomings by implying their lack of experience contributed to the loss of the game. If Eddie Jones trusted our youth far earlier and gave them much needed experience immediately after the last World Cup they would be in a better place than they are now.

To be honest Jones doesn’t even understand how important the wining the six nations, summer tours and AI‘s are to us, he just keeps talking about the World Cup. If he cannot understand the passion of a Calcutta cup game how can he be trusted to lead our national team?

i truly think we have a team that can compete with anyone and win things, however Jones is the hand break. I know the defensive line is we are too close to the World Cup, however we are not going to win the next six nations or World Cup with him, so what have we got to lose?
 

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I don't think it would necessarily hurt England if they offloaded Jones, not that it'll happen. Yesterday was the best I've seen them in awhile and it stemmed from a dominant scrum and an intense and accurate kick chase. A school's coach can achieve that, individual player talent just shone though for him rather than any tactics or rugby philosophy.

The only issue is that any other available coach would be a huge gamble so essentially the blazers are faced with either betting on Eddie to go better than he ever has done before despite looking stale and with no opportunity cost or betting on a wild card to do the business with the cost of offloading Eddie. The business man accepts a **** up, prepares for the loss and how to react while hoping something unforeseen can turn it around.
 

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I think he’s saved by the dearth of obvious candidates to replace him.

Gatland? Hell no. Baxter? No thanks. Borthwick? Too soon. Sanderson? No thanks. Too soon and hasn’t shown up that well at Sale so far.

Scott Robertson? Maybe … if he was interested, I’d certainly be willing to have a chat with him.

Sean Edwards as head coach could be interesting. However, with him, it’s hard to know whether he’s just a world class defence coach or someone who can translate the quality of his coaching across the whole picture?
 

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Can the posters who are critical of Jones please give realistic odds they would be comfortable laying if they were bookmakers, against England winning WC 2023?
 

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Excluding the Italy game, England have scored TWO tries. That is just shambolic.
 

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