- Jun 11, 2010
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Yeah, basically this, although I'd prefer to see him at international level than at HEC knock-out level (its more likely for one thing).I think what Peat is talking about is holding our opinions back a bit until we see how he goes in the rarefied arena that is knock out Rugby (for me that's HC QF on wards).
The problem is that unless the Chiefs make those kind of competitive games then the scenario is out of the question, so the best we can do is base it on AP.
For what it's worth I'm also not convinced he'll make the step up.
There's a lot of excitement about Ewers and, well, it certainly isn't justified by one game against the eleventh based team. I'm not sure it's even justified by the last two seasons. He's approaching messiah levels of hype and, well, that generally never ends quite how we hoped. I'm pretty excited by what he could offer myself and would like to see him given a shot, but I think some people are overexcited.
And I wish we had a better idea of how he actually played at international or comparable level to judge on.
Well, for one thing, I said I wanted to see him in a top quality team vs another, so that excludes that scenario - and, indeed, Clermont-Saints, to be slightly cruel albeit fair.This is the bit I don't buy. Discounting 2 years of good form in the Premiership and Europe, worth roughly 50 games, including tough games against teams that are better than your own, as being a lesser evidence of worth of a player because they haven't appeared in a very small handful of knockout games, is mental.
Quality shown in the Premiership is good enough evidence to suggest whether a player will make it at international level.
Actually, let me rephrase. When you play for a team like Exeter, and there are teams like Clermont and Toulon duking it out in the European knockouts, you show more evidence of your worth in a game against e.g. the Saints/Sarries in the Premiership, than being bollocked by a clearly superior team in Europe. What has Saints-Clermont done for the Saints players? How many good internationals would we be discounting if we went only on the evidence of that QF?
And for another thing, good internationals aren't judged on one match - actually, no one should be judged on just one match. Wanting a better idea of how he goes at that level =/= proposing he be judged solely on one match.
But yes, it is lesser evidence. Premiership rugby is of a distinctly lower quality compared to Premiership rugby; where as HEC knock out rugby is regularly held up as being of near or equal intensity and quality to test match rugby, sometimes even superior. Since it's a nearer beast, games there are a surer guide. Plenty of players look pretty bloody useful in domestic competition only to be shown up at international level. I struggle to think of too many players who shine at HEC knock out level and then don't produce at international.
Ultimately, Ewers - or anyone - could be MotM 500 times on the trot in the Premiership and I'd still be mildly doubtful about efficacy at the next level up until proven. It doesn't matter how many games anyone plays there, the standard simply isn't high enough to be sure.
edit: And yes, I accept it's often the only guide we've got, and that it is a guide, and that people deserve chances based upon it and all of that super obvious stuff.