Pichot "forces" the Pumas to join the SR in 2016

[nickdnz]

Well you're points are very valid PD. I guess much of it hinges on SR picking up more Argentine players. As I have mentioned I think there is a lot of room for this to happen, particularly as there are franchises very short on depth with the expansion. It's definitely a case putting all their eggs in one basket, but it seems that the UAR's vision of growth does not include the Top 14, and I can see possible reasons for it. I wonder whether other franchises have given assurances to add more Argentine talent.

 

[psychic duck]

Well you're points are very valid PD. I guess much of it hinges on SR picking up more Argentine players. As I have mentioned I think there is a lot of room for this to happen, particularly as there are franchises very short on depth with the expansion. It's definitely a case putting all their eggs in one basket, but it seems that the UAR's vision of growth does not include the Top 14, and I can see possible reasons for it. I wonder whether other franchises have given assurances to add more Argentine talent.

Highly unlikely, all SANZAR has tight restrictions on foreign players, with Australia having a project player type system, and it's only one extra SANZAR team anyway. There's been very little market in Argentines in any of the other SR teams, and that will unlikely change. The one time a team had more than 1 in a squad was the Kings with Vergallo and Leonardi, the latter only played 22 minutes all season for them with restrictions hampering any chance for him to actually play. No NZ teams would want that type of player. Also I think Matera might be on that list of contracted players beyond the World Cup as well by the way, he signed a contract last summer.

 

[canadafan]

Honestly, I think this is such a silly idea, for the time being, if Argentina can support two franchises in Super Rugby then I could understand it. I honestly don't get why the reason for this is at this point in time. My guess is that they want to guarantee a competitive franchise in the comp, but do they really believe all their top players would come back and this point in time? Get up to two viable franchises then make this kind of edict. I just don't get it.

 

[Peat]

Agree with Draggs. Imagine if you did the same with Wales, just having one professional team to draw players from. Lydiate-Warburton-Faletau would start. Tipuric would make the bench. The rest would play amateur rugby. Hardly a position from which to try and break into the Argentina super rugby squad and national team.

It just doesn't work because without a few more clubs, players who are out of the XV have no options of places to move in order to seek first class rugby.

Allowing players to go overseas frees up spots for the next generation of talent. They're shooting themselves in the foot by not letting this talent emerge.

I don't know about rotation levels in Super Rugby, but I can safely say that in a NH context this would be notable over-exaggeration. There are simply too many games and injuries to keep playing the same four players constantly. They either have to be rested, or will break and take their rest that way. Look at Leinster; they have five Irish international flankers, yet due to various reasons were able to find enough gametime to provide a platform for Dominic Ryan to become the sixth this autumn, all without having a notable backlog of players. Or Ulster, who have four Irish international centres, yet have only briefly had more than two of those fit at any one time this season. Or look at the way Bath had to play an academy lock at 8 against Toulouse, or the lock situation at Leicester.

Which hopefully won't be taken for arguing the opposite direction. There are huge problems for any international side trying to source a side off of one professional team, because I share the belief of others that Argentines are going to struggle to find berths elsewhere in Super Rugby. I think this is an incredibly reckless idea. But everywhere you look in rugby, you see teams using their full squad time and time again. The idea that this Argentine team would be any different is, well, I can't see the logic, put it that way.

 

[Every Time Ref]

The more I think about this new Argentine system the more I am convinced it is a bad idea, and that it will have negative (possibly even catastrophic) effects on Argentinian rugby. I can understand why this new system is seen as desirable, the advantages in terms of development of the game and commercial viability are obvious. However, what terrifies me about it is how complete the change will be, how it will overthrow everything about how Argentinian rugby currently works – I think people are forgetting that there is a lot of good inherent in the current Argentinian “system†for developing world-class players. (I say “system†in inverted commas because it is not a specifically designed-for-purpose system like the new proposals; however it is a “system†in the sense that it does exist and does fulfil a purpose.) I don't know or understand how this “system†works in detail, but as I understand it, it essentially it consists of an amateur national structure, Plar tasked with identifying and developing young players (thanks for the explanation @Conrad Smith), with a view towards players getting contracts with European clubs, who can develop and improve them. Then they come back to Argentina to form the national side. So the process is:

amateur –> Plar –> European professional –> international (although I appreciate sometimes the international comes before the European professional stage).

The current situation has arisen haphazardly and has many disadvantages compared to the better-organised English or South African (just two examples) systems, however I would argue that for what it is, it is actually phenomenally good. There is and never has been a professional structure in Argentina, yet the country produces a steady stream of world-class players and a national side which is always competitive with the majority of the Tier 1 teams. No professional structure at all; yet the national team has come third in a World Cup, and in the last twelve months along has beaten Australia, run South Africa agonisingly close and beaten the French in Paris. With no disrespect to either country, both Scotland and Italy are integrated into a professional system for identification and development of players to play against and alongside top professionals every week, and they cannot boast that record. Regardless of it's undoubted faults, the current “system†(the cornerstone of which is players leaving Argentina to learn their trade elsewhere) obviously has something incredible in its favour.

I strongly believe that throwing all of this out for an untested system is potential suicide. Both systems have obvious flaws which can be pointed out. They also both have benefits. However, the key difference is that the benefits of the old “system†have been tested in the real world and demonstrated to be undeniably true, and to outweigh the flaws by some distance. The benefits of the new system are at this stage theoretical, and I can't help but be terrified at the prospect of throwing away all those known benefits in favour of some other (not even demonstrably greater) benefits which we hope will come about if everything goes according to plan. The fact is, in life and rugby, most things don't go according to plan and Argentina seem to be risking everything on things going to plan on this occasion.

Now, I understand this can sound like an argument against change of any kind – what we have works, let's play it safe and stay where we are rather than risk problems - after all, my logic could be used to oppose any change in any circumstances ever. I absolutely am not making that argument, of course I believe that risks have to be taken in order to develop and improve. What I am saying is mitigate the risks, and make sure we keep the good parts of what we have already, don't jump headfirst into a completely new way of doing things and just hope like hell. There seems to be no protection built into the proposed system – if it doesn't work, in short, Argentinian rugby will have lost everything it relied on and replaced it with nothing. I am not an expert and cannot suggest a new system which will work; however in principle I can say that any new system must incorporate the current strength that European professional contracts gives Argentina – I'm not just talking about the players already there, I'm including the possibility of currently unknown young players following the established route. We've seen that it works, so use it.

If this is seen to have negative effects long-term (which I understand), plan to phase it out long-term. Look to overcome this problem gradually, as the SR franchise grows and grows, rather than doing it suddenly, unexpectedly and all at once. Hopefully this will work; if at any point it becomes clear that it is not working then you have the flexibility to change it to make it work better, or to cancel it and accept that the old way works better in this regard. Whatever happens, slow development gives you flexibility and control.

I'm sure there are many Argentinians on this thread for whom English is not their first language (sorry, by the way, if any of my post is not well expressed and difficult to understand … ) - we have an expression in English which perfectly expresses how I feel about this situation: “Don't throw the baby out with the bath water†- that is, when you must remove something bad or unnecessary, be careful not to remove the good things at the same time. I'm sure there is an equivalent in Spanish, but either way I hope my message is clear.

I apologise for the length of this post … once I'd started, it kind of took on a life of its own! I hope it makes sense, if not I apologise and can clarify. I just really care about Argentinian rugby, I consider them my second international rugby team, and I really do not want to see them **** up what they already have.

 

[CarferFragen]

I remember having heard Hourcade say that, except cases as Lobbe and Ayerza, other players from the Pumas were signing contracts with European clubs including termination clause in case of being invited to play in the new argentina SR franchise.
Have some follower of these European teams heard that version? Is it possible to sign a contract with a clause like that?

 

[Jaguares]

Even with the other Super Rugby franchises as eligible that's still a small pool, a few Pumas are definitely good enough to make other sides but seeing as most Soup franchises aren't willing/able to have more than 2-3 capped foreign players I can't see it being a replacement for a whole other team in Argentina or the European spots.

So we've got the starting 23, maybe a few fringe guys rotated in for maybe 30-32 guys and maybe a handful of guys playing in other SR teams, that's only a pool of like 30-37 guys, and that might be generous along with some of those fringe guys seeing limited minutes.

I think 2 teams would be too risky for the first step of the UAR in professional rugby. Remember that even Australia isn't able to have 5 full teams by Aussie players. Even in this forum many users have complained that the 5 Aussie franchises has been a step backward for the ARU, as they have to hire foreign players, mainly Rebels and Force.

Most of our top players will have more than 30 years in 2016, so it's logical that most of them would prefer a higher retirement in Europe. Our franchise will have about 40 players involved or more, if we consider injuries, also we have the Pumitas (Argentina Under 20), which has a professional treatment, because most of the kids are part of PLADAR, and we have Argentina A (Jaguars), competing in tournaments of Tier 2 against Canada & USA, and different tournaments around the world as the Pacific Cup this year. so it's deep enough for the amount of top class players we have, we don't have 800 top class players, so start with 2 Super Rugby franchises would be ridiculous.

Some people complain about everything, before they complained because we weren't professionals. Now we are walking our first steps at the club level professionalism with our own Super Rugby franchise, and some supporters are complaining. It's ridiculous!

 

[Every Time Ref]

.... most of the kids are part of PLADAR...

Sorry - is it PLAR, or PLADAR? I'm sure I've seen both around and about.

Some people complain about everything, before they complained because we weren't professionals. Now we are walking our first steps at the club level professionalism with our own Super Rugby franchise, and some supporters are complaining. It's ridiculous!

As I said above though, I think there are legitimate reasons to think that this move might turn out much worse for Argentinian rugby overall. I really hope UAR will have the flexibility to change their rules if it starts having a detrimental effect on the Pumas.

Thanks for the website recommendations BTW, I've been reading Rugby Fun a bit ... not a huge amount though, my Spanish reading speed is too slow to read many articles!

 

[CarferFragen]

Sorry - is it PLAR, or PLADAR? I'm sure I've seen both around and about.



As I said above though, I think there are legitimate reasons to think that this move might turn out much worse for Argentinian rugby overall. I really hope UAR will have the flexibility to change their rules if it starts having a detrimental effect on the Pumas.

Thanks for the website recommendations BTW, I've been reading Rugby Fun a bit ... not a huge amount though, my Spanish reading speed is too slow to read many articles!

Is PLADAR = PLAN DE DESARROLLO DE ALTO RENDIMIENTO (HIGH PERFORMANCE DEVELOPMENT PLAN)

The UAR document: http://www.periodismo-rugby.com.ar/descargas/pladar.pdf (spanish)

 

[Every Time Ref]

Muchas gracias.

My Spanish isn't good enough to understand every word but it looks like a pretty solid development plan. Basically it covers what a European or SANZAR player would take for granted in their club academy when they first turn professional, nutrition, fitness and performance monitoring, I assume the "encuentros de práctica" are training camps for technical / tactical work? Obviously you guys don't have the advantage of professional academies so it seems like as good a substitute as you can have at national level. How often does the PLADAR "squad" come together? Are you, and Argentinians in general, pleased with it as a method for developing young players? Facundo Isa was a PLADAR player, wasn't he and there was another back row that came on against France I think

 

[Superalexmarket]

Mr. Pichot said it very clear: " No chances in a short time to have 2 franchises in Arg. The main objective is to consolidate the Argentine franchise, and pursue the development of the game in South America, to include perhaps a franchise in Brazil in the near future."

 

[psychic duck]

As great as he was a player, Pichot is a meddling, behind the times administrator.

 

[Jaguares]

Muchas gracias.

My Spanish isn't good enough to understand every word but it looks like a pretty solid development plan. Basically it covers what a European or SANZAR player would take for granted in their club academy when they first turn professional, nutrition, fitness and performance monitoring, I assume the "encuentros de práctica" are training camps for technical / tactical work? Obviously you guys don't have the advantage of professional academies so it seems like as good a substitute as you can have at national level. How often does the PLADAR "squad" come together? Are you, and Argentinians in general, pleased with it as a method for developing young players? Facundo Isa was a PLADAR player, wasn't he and there was another back row that came on against France I think

The PLADAR is for ALL year, players receive salaries for belonging to PLADAR, they are treated as professionals, PLADAR is a professional level. About the squad that beat France in Paris last month, only 4 players have not belonged to PLADAR: Juan Martin Hernandez, Marcos Ayerza, Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino and Marcelo Bosch.

All other 19 players belong or belonged to PLADAR:

Juan Imhoff
Manuel Montero
Nicolas Sanchez
Tomas Cubelli
Agustin Creevy
Martin Landajo
Guido Petti
Tetaz Chaparro
Guido Petti
Tomas Lavanini
Facundo Isa
Javier Ortega Desio
Leonardo Senatore
Matias Cortese
Lucas Noguera Paz
Ramiro Herrera
Lucas Ponce
Tomas Lezana
Santiago Gonzalez Iglesias

Juan Imhoff and Agustin Creevy were born in the PLADAR, with Pampas XV playing the Vodacom Cup in South Africa. All Pampas players are from the PLADAR. A good thing about the PLADAR is that never had an age limit for players, ie is not an exclusive academy for players under 20 years, is also an Academy that is responsible for protecting and containment those good players who were outside the professional system, such as Agustin Creevy. He wasn't a kid when he was welcomed by the PLADAR, had about 25 years, but few years ago, in Argentina had not many opportunities to become a professional rugby player, many good players like Agustin were outside the system, then the PLADAR gave them containment and provide professional preparation for them.

The results so far have been wonderful, many PLADAR players now play in Europe and are great players like: Juan Imhoff, Agustin Creevy, Nico Sanchez and Ramiro Herrera. Many young players like: Facundo Isa, Tomas Lezana, Guido Petti and Ortega Desio showed in Paris that the level of training in PLADAR is at the same level as the best Top 14 teams because they resisted the attacks of the best French players

10 years ago, a young Pumas team facing a team 100% professional like France in Paris, had been crushed by 100 points, but thanks to the PLADAR, our kids have a professional training level and can compete at the same level against the best professional players in rugby world.

 

[CarferFragen]

Muchas gracias.

My Spanish isn't good enough to understand every word but it looks like a pretty solid development plan. Basically it covers what a European or SANZAR player would take for granted in their club academy when they first turn professional, nutrition, fitness and performance monitoring, I assume the "encuentros de práctica" are training camps for technical / tactical work? Obviously you guys don't have the advantage of professional academies so it seems like as good a substitute as you can have at national level. How often does the PLADAR "squad" come together? Are you, and Argentinians in general, pleased with it as a method for developing young players? Facundo Isa was a PLADAR player, wasn't he and there was another back row that came on against France I think

Some data PLADAR 2011:

- 248 total players in the high performance Plan of the UAR (100 M-18, 60 M-19, 50 M-20 and 38 Seniors).

- 23 the average age of the squad (senior)

- 16 who were on the PlAR, in 2009 or 2010, who emigrated to Europe. They are Martin Bustos Moyano, Gonzalo Camacho, Santiago Fernández, Juan Figallo, Agustin Figuerola, Mariano Galarza, Juan Ignacio Gauthier, Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino, Agustín Guzmán, Martín Rodríguez, Horacio San Martin, Benjamin Urdapilleta, Miguel Avramovic, Agustin Creevy, Agustín Smidt and Gaston De Robertis.

- 6 which already debuted in Los Pumas (Julio Farías Cabello, Tomás Leonardi, Miguel de Achával, Genaro Fessia, Santiago Guzman and Mauro Comuzzi).

- 6 the unions contributing players (URBA, Córdoba, Tucumán, Rosario and Santa Fe).

- 5 centers of high performance that has the UAR in the country. They are Buenos Aires, Tucuman, Cordoba, Rosario and Mendoza.

 

[CarferFragen]

Muchas gracias.

My Spanish isn't good enough to understand every word but it looks like a pretty solid development plan. Basically it covers what a European or SANZAR player would take for granted in their club academy when they first turn professional, nutrition, fitness and performance monitoring, I assume the "encuentros de práctica" are training camps for technical / tactical work? Obviously you guys don't have the advantage of professional academies so it seems like as good a substitute as you can have at national level. How often does the PLADAR "squad" come together? Are you, and Argentinians in general, pleased with it as a method for developing young players? Facundo Isa was a PLADAR player, wasn't he and there was another back row that came on against France I think

The first year of the PLADAR in Tucumán:

What is the Pladar? Many will do this question. It's the high performance Plan of the UAR. It is conformed by the centers located in different regions, with bases in Tucumán, Cuyo, Cordoba, Rosario and Buenos Aires. Working every day with the players from each region and once a month is a national concentration.

It starts with a base of 100 players under 18 across the country. After the four concentrations, end of the year will be 60. Tucuman has 16 players who will begin their work in March with the Pladar.

The pyramid continues thus: under the age of 19 to start the season 60 players. End of the year will be 40. In the NOA region are 15 (8 of Tucumán). Under the age of 20 are 40. 26 will be in the list that will participate in the World Cup. In Tucumán are seven.

The only players who are paid per diem by train are Seniors. Tucuman has eight players, more Dino Cáceres, which integrates the national Seven.
These players, with the M20 M19 are Monday to Friday from 8 to 10, on the Court of Los Tarcos, where the headquarters of the NOA Pladar, directed by Ricardo Le Fort also works.

The final objective is the preparation of players so that they reach a level of high performance when you touch them to play in Los Pumas. The system fulfilled one year; the fruits will be later. The Pladar is underway.

Example of a youth national concentration Inter-PlaDAR:

On the first date of the quadrangular friendly Inter-PlaDAR the results were the following: Buenos Aires 26 - 15 Center/West-Coast 26 - NOA 24. On the second day, will face NOA vs. Buenos Aires and Litoral vs. Center/West.

 

[CarferFragen]

Una charla muy interesante con el director nacional de alto rendimiento, Pancho Rubio (para los hispanoparlantes)

Francisco Rubio y el balance del PlaDAR (I)

http://www.espn.com.ar/videohub/video/clipDeportes?id=2202701

Francisco Rubio y el balance del PlaDAR (II)

http://www.espn.com.ar/videohub/video/clipDeportes?id=2202703

Francisco Rubio y el balance del PlaDAR (III)

http://www.espn.com.ar/videohub/video/clipDeportes?id=2202704

 

[Peat]

Some people complain about everything, before they complained because we weren't professionals. Now we are walking our first steps at the club level professionalism with our own Super Rugby franchise, and some supporters are complaining. It's ridiculous!

People were right to say Argentina that needs to institute a professional system in its country to kick on and now they're right to say that having everything resting on its shoulders is a very risky gamble. People shouldn't stop pointing out flaws and mistakes just because progress on one front is being made.

 

[Every Time Ref]

The first year of the PLADAR in Tucumán:

What is the Pladar? Many will do this question. It's the high performance Plan of the UAR. It is conformed by the centers located in different regions, with bases in Tucumán, Cuyo, Cordoba, Rosario and Buenos Aires. Working every day with the players from each region and once a month is a national concentration.

So at the regional level the players train every day at a PLADAR centre - does this mean that, for example, Facundo Isa trains all week with PLADAR then on Saturday plays for Santiago Lawn Tennis Club with his amateur teammates? But he hasn't trained with them at all?

Example of a youth national concentration Inter-PlaDAR:

On the first date of the quadrangular friendly Inter-PlaDAR the results were the following: Buenos Aires 26 - 15 Center/West-Coast 26 - NOA 24. On the second day, will face NOA vs. Buenos Aires and Litoral vs. Center/West.

Sorry for all the questions - what is this Inter-PlaDAR competition, and how does it work? Do players play for their PlaDAR centre all season instead of their amateur club, or is it a short competition at the end?

 

[Jaguares]

Mr. Pichot said it very clear: " No chances in a short time to have 2 franchises in Arg. The main objective is to consolidate the Argentine franchise, and pursue the development of the game in South America, to include perhaps a franchise in Brazil in the near future."

As great as he was a player, Pichot is a meddling, behind the times administrator.

Ok, we have found the solution. @psychic duc and @Superalexmarket are going to put the money to the second Super Rugby franchise of Argentina



Thanks guys!

 

[CarferFragen]

So at the regional level the players train every day at a PLADAR centre - does this mean that, for example, Facundo Isa trains all week with PLADAR then on Saturday plays for Santiago Lawn Tennis Club with his amateur teammates? But he hasn't trained with them at all?

Sorry for all the questions - what is this Inter-PlaDAR competition, and how does it work? Do players play for their PlaDAR centre all season instead of their amateur club, or is it a short competition at the end?

The Pladar aims to develop and enhance each player individually, to be in the best physical conditions and techniques to compete with the world's great powers,
To approach that level, players train three to four hours a day, three or four times a week. This is in the Pladar. In addition, all are trained with their clubs.
Working in the physical and technical aspect. It is intended to strike a balance between both qualities, combined two are ideal. No doubt that the search is aimed at players of larger size in physical structure, but talented players, less physical structure are not discarded.
There differences between work in clubs and in the Pladar
The big difference is that clubs working with teams, have teams that form primarily at top campuses, and must develop players in youth ages, but a matter of time can be trained only twice a week, while in the Pladar have them three or four days a week. In addition, the Pladar works in the small technical details that often clubs don't have time to do it. This beyond that the Pladar has a professional structure dedicated to the technical aspect and not all clubs have this structure.
In Europe, all clubs have a structure devoted specifically to the player, which is undoubtedly more content by the same structure and therefore develops better.
The Pladar passed all at the players of the clubs to train and be at the height of the Pladar players; in Cordoba, this year, noticed a lot. For example, in the last Championship Argentina, both physical level as technician was very good, and added that they were a good group of players work, body trainers and Union, got a very good result.

Concentrations inter-pladar are held once per month and are spread over two or three days. The first day to work on each CEDAR (training centres) and second move to one of the centers where two games are disputed. They are four teams (CEDAR Centro and CEDAR West form a team).
The players train and play with their clubs, also trained every day and they play once a month against the other centers of high performance (campus for two or three days).

 

[CarferFragen]

The Pumas have a plan (translated with google translator)

By Sergio Stuart

OLE detailed system of the UAR governing since 2009: allowed 12 of the holders vs. Australia were 100% made in Argentina.

Take chest in the Argentina Rugby Union. Prompting the victory to Australia! Not only the relief of the players, the confidence to address what's next and confirm that the path is correct. The accounts making the Union give 19, the amount of bad of the squad of 23 who entered the Malvinas from Mendoza and passed through the Pladar, the high performance Plan that was presented February 1, 2009, whose objective aims to educate and train the players so that they become men's selection. The Quartet that does not fit into the figure already playing in European clubs before the creation of the plan: Ayerza, Agulla, Hernandez and Bosch. Another number: were 12 holders.

At that time, Agustín Pichot, already leader, walked with a folder under his arm that included dozens of pages with charts, figures and budgets based on the system of drafting, grants, sponsorship and other item of American football, adapted to the norms and customs of our country. Include wages, the Union of Buenos Aires opposed repairs, while the Interior supported. There are now just a few pockets of resistance.

Works with 40 major players; Today the database includes 960 cards from male M-16 to 60 and older adult women. By 2015 they think to reach 1,500. Francisco Rubio, director of the Pladar, points out: "the system is working. There is no other country that working without strong competition like us, and only has the task of the academies, centres of rugby and high performance. The value is immense."

In 2009, it had five training centres (Cedares) in Buenos Aires, Córdoba, Rosario, Tucumán and Mendoza. Today function, in addition, six centres of rugby and three academies, where players move according to their age and development. Those 14 seats covers 86% of the country.

The path to be Puma begins in the provinces; each Union chooses a group of juveniles that begins to develop in the physical preparation and skills. In M-18 go to the Cedares and are selected.

Basic training when it is no competition time is Monday through Friday with rest on Wednesday. Gym, physique and skills make up the base, already with concepts that will be familiar in the different selected, whether M-18, M-20, seven, Jaguars, Pampas XV or Pumas, and feminine. In times of local tournaments (URBA, Litoral, Cordoba, etc.) are distributed loads with the clubs. They are approximately 100 people, including coaches, doctors, nutritionists, trainers, physiotherapists, psychologists and administrators involved. Players receive wages or scholarships according to their status.

Although Los Pumas aims the 2015 world, the biggest harvest of the Pladar is targeted to be collected in 2016. Within two years, with the addition of a national franchise to the Super Rugby, the players will be hired exclusively by the UAR; They must or choose to play in clubs abroad or Los Pumas.


Pladar power us at all (Javier Ortega Desio - Pladar Puma)

First of all, served to us the Pladar to match the difference with those selected who have strong local competition, which does not exist in our country. Be in this system improves the issue of the physical part and skills. I started at age 18, six years ago, the first litter that was prepared in two seasons for a world M-20, and it went very well.

The Pladar out the best of each, power us to all. It makes you integrate necessary concepts for high performance. On each team that you advance the line of play is more complex; If in the Jaguars you have three codes of the line, in Los Pumas are ten. But the language is the same from youth level.

On Saturday I went against Australia without having international club experience because the coastal tournament game with students from Paraná. And I didn't feel a difference with the Wallabies. That's thanks to all who work in the Pladar.