Premiership Cup 23/24

[RedruthRFC]

1. Technically correct - the very best kind of correct

Come to any Cornish rugby club outside Penzance / Newlyn and explain that the fact that Cornwall != Cornish Pirates is a technicality and see how it goes down. This sort of confusion is the reason that a lot of the Cornish rugby community were up in arms when Pirates decided to adopt the Cornish moniker. But feel free to trivialise the feelings of a group of people who you neither know or understand to score Internet points.

 

[Quel Carreleur]

A] Calm down dear, it's only a meme
B] I'm genuinely sorry that I offended you by agreeing with you

 

[Deleted member 53362]

Given that sides that are relegated from the Premiership usually use the parachute payment to retain most of their Premiership quality and even then, lose a handful of games, it doesn't seem surprising to me that full-strength Championship sides are beating slightly augmented Premiership academy sides.

So when did Coventry and Ealing get relegated from the Premiership?

 

[RedruthRFC]

So when did Coventry and Ealing get relegated from the Premiership?

Eh? In Coventry's case, they dropped from level one in 1988. Ealing have never played at level one. I'm not sure what either of these things have to do with my point that these results are not as surprising as suggested, given that a couple of years back, Pirates rolled over a Saracens side containing Lions and a World Cup winner.

When was the last time that the side relegated from the Premiership went undefeated in The Championship?

 

[Deleted member 53362]

Eh? In Coventry's case, they dropped from level one in 1988. Ealing have never played at level one. I'm not sure what either of these things have to do with my point that these results are not as surprising as suggested, given that a couple of years back, Pirates rolled over a Saracens side containing Lions and a World Cup winner.

When was the last time that the side relegated from the Premiership went undefeated in The Championship?

Might be missing something but you are making a point that Championship clubs could beat weaker premiership clubs due to parachute payments? Ealing and Cov who won yesterday have never had such payments

 

[RedruthRFC]

Might be missing something but you are making a point that Championship clubs could beat weaker premiership clubs due to parachute payments? Ealing and Cov who won yesterday have never had such payments

No I'm not. I've just re-read my original post and think it was pretty clear. "sides that are relegated from the Premiership usually use the parachute payment to retain most of their Premiership quality". Where did I say that Ealing or Coventry have ever received a parachute payment? Neither side have ever played in the Premiership, hence, have never been relegated from it or received a parachute payment.

Ignore the parachute payment aside, which seems to have confused you. The point stands that neither of the wins for the Championship sides against Premiership sides are particularly surprising, given that historically, Championship sides have beaten stronger opposition.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Those steps tho

 

[Geordie]

We had quite a few seniors and new signings in our squad ..but I suspect a whole new coaching team wanted to take the opportunity to see the players in action as a guidance for the prem games.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

FRIDAY 15TH SEPTEMBER
Newcastle Falcons vs Bedford Blues
Nottingham vs Hartpury RFC
Sale Sharks vs Leicester Tigers
SATURDAY 16TH SEPTEMBER
Bath vs Jersey Reds (live on TNT Sports)
Saracens vs Gloucester
Caldy vs Ampthill
Exeter Chiefs vs Cornish Pirates
Harlequins vs Coventry
London Scottish vs Doncaster
Northampton Saints vs Cambridge
SUNDAY 17TH SEPTEMBER
Bristol vs Ealing Trailfinders


Mad that Exeter vs Pirates isn't on TV

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Quins obviously took notice of Cov turning over Saracens with some of these selections:

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Quins obviously took notice of Cov turning over Saracens with some of these selections:

Tbf I think that was always the plan, noone in there that I wouldn't have expected to be involved

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yeah, i'm only joshing - some newcomers and long term injury recoveries in there

I reckon sides will get gradually stronger each round, I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two of our new signings in the mix this week

 

[Seeker]

FRIDAY 15TH SEPTEMBER
Newcastle Falcons vs Bedford Blues
Nottingham vs Hartpury RFC
Sale Sharks vs Leicester Tigers
SATURDAY 16TH SEPTEMBER
Bath vs Jersey Reds (live on TNT Sports)
Saracens vs Gloucester
Caldy vs Ampthill
Exeter Chiefs vs Cornish Pirates
Harlequins vs Coventry
London Scottish vs Doncaster
Northampton Saints vs Cambridge
SUNDAY 17TH SEPTEMBER
Bristol vs Ealing Trailfinders


Mad that Exeter vs Pirates is on TV

over Saracens...I hope.

 

[Scotty]

FRIDAY 15TH SEPTEMBER
Newcastle Falcons vs Bedford Blues
Nottingham vs Hartpury RFC
Sale Sharks vs Leicester Tigers
SATURDAY 16TH SEPTEMBER
Bath vs Jersey Reds (live on TNT Sports)
Saracens vs Gloucester
Caldy vs Ampthill
Exeter Chiefs vs Cornish Pirates
Harlequins vs Coventry
London Scottish vs Doncaster
Northampton Saints vs Cambridge
SUNDAY 17TH SEPTEMBER
Bristol vs Ealing Trailfinders


Mad that Exeter vs Pirates is on TV

You mean isnt on tv? Or have i missed it. A good narrative for the game as they are 2 very close teams.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

A lot more first teamers out this week:


Imagine this is very close to what Tigers will put out in the Prem initially:

 

[Geordie]

Newcastle Falcons team v Bedford Blues (Friday, 7.45pm, Kingston Park Stadium)

15 Louis Brown,
14 Adam Radwan,
13 Zach Kerr,
12 Matias Orlando (captain),
11 Iwan Stephens,
10 Josh Thomas,
9 Josh Barton;

1 Phil Brantingham,
2 Ollie Fletcher,
3 Richard Palframan,
4 Tim Cardall,
5 Sebastian de Chaves,
6 Ollie Leatherbarrow,
7 Marcus Tiffen,
8 John Kelly.

Replacements: 16 Michael van Vuuren, 17 Adam Brocklebank, 18 Murray McCallum, 19 Freddie Lockwood, 20 Guy Pepper, 21 Ben Douglas, 22 Louie Johnson, 23 Ben Redshaw.

Bedford Blues:
15 Matt Worley,
14 Seán French,
13 Ethan Grayson,
12 Jordan Venter,
11 Pat Tapley,
10 Louis Grimoldby,
9 James Lennon;

1 Jamie Jack,
2 Jacob Fields,
3 Bryan O'Connor,
4 Robin Williams,
5 Alex Woolford,
6 Luke Frost,
7 Kieran Curran,
8 Joe Howard

Replacements: 16 James Fish, 17 Joey Conway, 18 Oisin Heffernan, 19 Geordie Irvine, 20 George Patten, 21 Jac Arthur, 22 Matt Arden, 23 Michael Le Bourgeois.

Referee: George Selwood

Interesting to see Ethan Grayson playing. Thought he was a hope for Englands 12 spot...but clearly not developed as hoped by Saints.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

Newcastle Falcons team v Bedford Blues (Friday, 7.45pm, Kingston Park Stadium)

15 Louis Brown,
14 Adam Radwan,
13 Zach Kerr,
12 Matias Orlando (captain),
11 Iwan Stephens,
10 Josh Thomas,
9 Josh Barton;

1 Phil Brantingham,
2 Ollie Fletcher,
3 Richard Palframan,
4 Tim Cardall,
5 Sebastian de Chaves,
6 Ollie Leatherbarrow,
7 Marcus Tiffen,
8 John Kelly.

Replacements: 16 Michael van Vuuren, 17 Adam Brocklebank, 18 Murray McCallum, 19 Freddie Lockwood, 20 Guy Pepper, 21 Ben Douglas, 22 Louie Johnson, 23 Ben Redshaw.

Bedford Blues:
15 Matt Worley,
14 Seán French,
13 Ethan Grayson,
12 Jordan Venter,
11 Pat Tapley,
10 Louis Grimoldby,
9 James Lennon;

1 Jamie Jack,
2 Jacob Fields,
3 Bryan O'Connor,
4 Robin Williams,
5 Alex Woolford,
6 Luke Frost,
7 Kieran Curran,
8 Joe Howard

Replacements: 16 James Fish, 17 Joey Conway, 18 Oisin Heffernan, 19 Geordie Irvine, 20 George Patten, 21 Jac Arthur, 22 Matt Arden, 23 Michael Le Bourgeois.

Referee: George Selwood

Interesting to see Ethan Grayson playing. Thought he was a hope for Englands 12 spot...but clearly not developed as hoped by Saints.

Two championship quality sides there, should be a good matchup

 

[Geordie]

Hilarious....

 

[Quel Carreleur]

Bath v Jersey
Still very much 2nd/3rd choice seniors, only changes I'm seeing at the the starting and bench hookers swap around, last week's bench THP starts, last week's started THP drops out (presumed injured).
Really pleased that Bath are treating this tourney the way I wanted prem sides to.

Bath Rugby:
15 Sam Harris
14 Gabe Goss
13 Max Wright
12 Will Butt
11 Will Muir
10 George Worboys
09 Tom Carr-Smith

1 Arthur Cordwell
2 Jasper Spandler
3 Kieran Verden
4 Fergus Lee-Warner
5 Ewan Richards (c)
6 JJ Tonks
7 Ethan Staddon
8 Jaco Coetzee

16 John Stewart, 17 Scott Kirk, 18 Mikey Summerfield, 19 Nahum Merigan, 20 Thompson Cowan, 21 Murdoch Lock, 22 Ciaran Donoghue, 23 Louie Hennessey

Jersey Reds:
15 Brendan Owen
14 Ben Woollett
13 Alex McHenry
12 Jordan Holgate
11 Robin Wedlake
10 Russell Bennett
09 James Elliot

1 Sam Grahamslaw
2 Dafydd Hughes
3 Stevie Longwell
4 John Hawkins
5 James Scott
6 Max Argyle
7 Lewis Wynne (c)
8 Alun Lawrence

16 James Hadfield, 17 Greg McGrath, 18 Adam Nicol, 19 Hallam Chapman, 20 Thom Smith, 21 Tim Grey, 22 James Mitchell, 23 Josh Barton



ETA: Hang on, is Summerfield playing both sides? 17 last week, 18 this week, with Kirk (LHP) replacing Griffin (THP) in the 23

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Hang on, is Summerfield playing both sides?

We've got a similar situation going on - Asher played loosehead for England u20s in the summer but is reserve tighthead in the Prem cup

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I'm happy with that considering the comparative strength of the two sides

Sounds like the first half was essentially 40mins of alternating scrums and lineouts and then it opened up a bit in the second half

 

[saulan]

I'm happy with that considering the comparative strength of the two sides

Sounds like the first half was essentially 40mins of alternating scrums and lineouts and then it opened up a bit in the second half

And then Pollard came on, did some things and then got yellow carded. Nice.

I’m intrigued to see how Ernst goes with Sale. He was good, but I always felt he was a card risk.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

always felt he was a card risk

A perfect replacement for Jono Ross, then

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Good reffing, was essentially lifted into the shoulder by the other clearer

 

[Deleted member 53362]

Come on Cov, 2 premiership scalps in 2 games.

 

[saulan]

21-7 now. Bonus point on the cards. Important to get those when you are playing the smaller teams like Harlequins.

 

[Quel Carreleur]

Jersey come back from 10 - 5 down at HT to 10 - 34 winners

 

[Deleted member 53362]

That's ********! How much chuffing injury time!

 

[Seeker]

Gloucester 29
Saracens 20

Kudos!

 

[Becca]

Northampton 55
Cambridge 5