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I thought it's about time I'd started a thread for these.
The idea for these 2 shields was hashed out on another rugby forum I'm a member of (though I claim none of the credit) about 10-15 years ago - based on the Ranfurly Shield in NZ's domestic rugby.

The basic idea, is that we know the winner of every international match ever played; so this (sadly mythical) shield simply starts with the first winner - Scotland for the men in 1871 (match taking place at Raeburn Place), France for the women in 1982 (match taking place in Utrecht). The winner then defends the shield in their next match, and is taken home by the winner; and so on and so on.
IIRC There is an exception to this defence and take-home is that a RWC winner always takes the shield home, even if the holder goes out in the pool stages, though I don't think this has ever happened.
Because it's a winner-takes-it-all, 1 match at a time, more minor nations do get the chance to challenge for it, and even win it sometimes. To date, there have been 12 holders of the Raeburn Shield (including the likes of Japan, Samoa and Romania); whilst the Utrecht has passed through 8 sets of hands (including the likes of Italy, USA and The Netherlands)

For example, for the Raeburn Shield; in 2019, Ireland took the shield to the 6N, after taking it off Australia in November. Ireland gave it England, who then gave it to Wales during the 6N. During the RWC warm-ups, it shuffled around a bit, but ended up back with Ireland to take to Japan - who took it off them before handing it over to the Boks.

The current Raeburn holders are Australia, who won in during the QuadNations, whilst the current Utrecht holders are England, who took it off a rusty NZ a few days ago.

Both are being played for this weekend, as Australia are hosted by Scotland, and England play host to NZ.

It's just a little extra spice - and one that means more (to me, at least) than just slapping a random name on a rivalry that no-one knew was a particular rivalry (eg the Douglas Horn Trophy, or the Pershing Cup). This was first thought up due to the rash of seemingly pointless new trophies in the late 00s.
 
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im on that forum too....

you can follow it on their facebook page


We were recently talking about how you would go about making them official, maybe crowdfund making the actual shields and then just donate them to the current "holders"? probably get a couple of spokes people behind it
 

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IMO the key is to get some recognition in the media, and if possible, a patron with contacts.
If we could get Lee McKenzie or Craig Doyle bringing it up on telly, even as just the quickest of intro.s it'd be massive.
Or someone like Princess Anne as a patron, who could maybe even get something made...

Pie in the sky for now though. I just keep bringing it up in places like this, reposting on Facebook, tagging in the likes of Lee and Craig, who I'm sure just ignore it all.
 

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IMO the key is to get some recognition in the media, and if possible, a patron with contacts.
If we could get Lee McKenzie or Craig Doyle bringing it up on telly, even as just the quickest of intro.s it'd be massive.
Or someone like Princess Anne as a patron, who could maybe even get something made...

Pie in the sky for now though. I just keep bringing it up in places like this, reposting on Facebook, tagging in the likes of Lee and Craig, who I'm sure just ignore it all.
yeah, fun to chat about, i actually think it would be good for world rugby, give some more meaning so what are otherwise "friendlies"
 

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The Raeburn and Utrecht Shields: The newest, oldest trophies in rugby?​

It’s the one thing clubs strive for. Silverware. A piece of, usually, silver metal or varnished wood shaped into something teams grow to idealise.

The trophies of note tend to be the ones which have been around for the longest, and adopting new ones doesn’t always have a lasting effect.

So just what happens if a sport’s newest trophy has a history matching the oldest?

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