To give him credit he has changed his position as facts have come to light. However I believe he has been selective to fit his narrative so I agree that there is circular reasoning here. Quotas work --> the ANC say they are necessary --> therefore quotas are necessary and work I think I've summed up his argument accurately there. Bruce you can restate this if I got it wrong. First he has to establish that the assumption quotas work is true. Then he has prove that they are necessary. Only then can he provide a sound reason for his position. However I believe intertwined with this position is an issue of morals and legality. This is why I want to bring this back to a conversation as opposed to an information dump.