Razor Robertson gone?

[IT157]

multiple back to back super and NPC titles....his CV was as good as it gets short of already being proven on the interneational stage

everything im reading tells me he has to go, done himself no favours...BUT....its not just on him, talk of getting pressure to select BB because NZR had bent over backwards to give him a new contract through the next world cup, a cohort of established players that liked fozzie and had been fighting to keep him in the job that might not have liked someone coming in and wanting to change things

Haha, I know. He did really well in Super Rugby. In all fairness I think he should have been given more time with the New Zealand job. New Zealand are not as dominant as they once were but they are still one of the top teams in the world. Their previous dominance was ridiculous. South Africa who are regarded as the top team in the world now only beat New Zealand by (checks notes) point difference in the Rugby Championship last year. When New Zealand won, they would sometimes go unbeaten at their absolute peak. I think the All Blacks demise is greatly exaggerated by many. The way some people talk about them you would think they are on a tier with Scotland.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

 

[Kiwiwomble]

Haha, I know. He did really well in Super Rugby. In all fairness I think he should have been given more time with the New Zealand job. New Zealand are not as dominant as they once were but they are still one of the top teams in the world. Their previous dominance was ridiculous. South Africa who are regarded as the top team in the world now only beat New Zealand by (checks notes) point difference in the Rugby Championship last year. When New Zealand won, they would sometimes go unbeaten at their absolute peak. I think the All Blacks demise is greatly exaggerated by many. The way some people talk about them you would think they are on a tier with Scotland.

he was his own worst ememy by all accounts, started with selling himself on change, going to bring through the future like the Crusaders academy has done for decades...and yet we saw largely the same old faces trying the same old tricks...also sold everyone on having this amazing team culture...only for the board to receive multiple damning complaints, squad firmly divided into factions....double standards everywhere, EDG was stood down for a week after missing curfew and then when another player missed curfew they started

for me its not the actual results....its obviously the losses we could have / should have won...but lots of wins were ugly...moment of individual brilliance saving us and lots of fans i now just havent enjoyed watching the AB's over the last several years...ugly, messy, headless chook type rugby

no change in results and all the off field issues.....cant see an argument to keep him

 

[ChicagoKid]

I didn’t rate him as an international coach, but this is shocking.

Is Jamie Joseph the shoe-in for the next coach? I’d be absolutely shocked if Rassie allowed Tony Brown to have a contract break clause.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

I didn’t rate him as an international coach, but this is shocking.

Is Jamie Joseph the shoe-in for the next coach? I’d be absolutely shocked if Rassie allowed Tony Brown to have a contract break clause.

I dont know about that, Razor had already been announced as ABs coach when the Bokke approached Brown.....and so it would be a long shot the AB's would sack a coach within the next 2 years so if his only real condition was a highly unlikely possibility then it kind of makes some sense

JJ clear front runner from what ive heard, also heard Brown has already been released, Schmidt to come back in a director of rugby role as cant commit to the day to day coaching....possibly dave rennie to step in and cover the HIghlanders

 

[ChicagoKid]

I dont know about that, Razor had already been announced as ABs coach when the Bokke approached Brown.....and so it would be a long shot the AB's would sack a coach within the next 2 years so if his only real condition was a highly unlikely possibility then it kind of makes some sense

JJ clear front runner from what ive heard, also heard Brown has already been released, Schmidt to come back in a director of rugby role as cant commit to the day to day coaching....possibly dave rennie to step in and cover the HIghlanders

How much confidence do you put in Brown being released? He just signed a deal through 2031 in December.

Also, if Rapport didn’t get wind of this, I’d be even more shocked. Hendrix Cronje has a direct line to Rassie.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

How much confidence do you put in Brown being released? He just signed a deal through 2031 in December.

Also, if Rapport didn’t get wind of this, I’d be even more shocked. Hendrix Cronje has a direct line to Rassie.

have you got a link? i knew he was signed on through the RWC but 2031 sounds crazy, didnt think rassie had signed on that long

everything ive heard is rumour...but the rumours have been right so far...im pretty sure JJ wouldnt take it un less it was with Brown

if so...i kind of think its even more likely, i dont think Brown would sign on for so long without an escape clause, said publicly his goal was the AB's and to do it with JJ, theyve been aiming at it for more than 6 years

 

[ChicagoKid]

have you got a link? i knew he was signed on through the RWC but 2031 sounds crazy, didnt think rassie had signed on that long

everything ive heard is rumour...but the rumours have been right so far...im pretty sure JJ wouldnt take it un less it was with Brown

if so...i kind of think its even more likely, i dont think Brown would sign on for so long without an escape clause, said publicly his goal was the AB's and to do it with JJ, theyve been aiming at it for more than 6 years

SA Rugby extends Erasmus’ contract until 2031

SA Rugby announced on Friday that the contract of double Rugby World Cup-winning coach Rassie Erasmus’ had been extended for a further four years. It means Erasmus is contracted for six years until 2031.

springboks.rugby

Apparently Rassie pushed to have the entire staff signed through 2031. That was what Rapport had written. I don’t ever recall them being wrong.

 

[Kiwiwomble]

SA Rugby extends Erasmus’ contract until 2031

SA Rugby announced on Friday that the contract of double Rugby World Cup-winning coach Rassie Erasmus’ had been extended for a further four years. It means Erasmus is contracted for six years until 2031.

springboks.rugby

Apparently Rassie pushed to have the entire staff signed through 2031. That was what Rapport had written. I don’t ever recall them being wrong.

done some googling and found a couple of reports thats what rassie was wanting bit nothing confirming its was done, and as i say the rumour is the Browns condition on coming to SA was an exit clause to work with JJ at the AB's, we'll see

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

I think this is a simple case of mistaken identity. I’ve long been convinced that the ABs inadvertently appointed Cold Feet actor Robert Bathurst instead of Robertson and he just decided to give it a lash for a giggle.

 

[Saintjay]

Gatland for the banter or,
Chris Boyd for my bias.

 

[big ginger 8]

Seems to be rumours of a big oay out for Brown.

 

[Geordie]

So Robertson for Red Bulls ?

 

[Alex Anghel]

he was his own worst ememy by all accounts, started with selling himself on change, going to bring through the future like the Crusaders academy has done for decades...and yet we saw largely the same old faces trying the same old tricks...also sold everyone on having this amazing team culture...only for the board to receive multiple damning complaints, squad firmly divided into factions....double standards everywhere, EDG was stood down for a week after missing curfew and then when another player missed curfew they started

for me its not the actual results....its obviously the losses we could have / should have won...but lots of wins were ugly...moment of individual brilliance saving us and lots of fans i now just havent enjoyed watching the AB's over the last several years...ugly, messy, headless chook type rugby

no change in results and all the off field issues.....cant see an argument to keep him

Absolutely spot on...I was one of his biggest fans, in the hope of reviving the All Blacks by coming up with fresh and innovative ideas, gameplay and selection of players wise.

Sadly, something happened with him from the get-go (either by being force to select some players or being afraid to starting the clean out in his first year in order not to lose games, etc). But the truth is that the lack of any kind of upward trajectory was blatantly obvious.


Until he will take another international coaching gig, I guess it will remain a mystery why he couldn't translate his Super Rugby aura to the international level, he won 7 titles in a row though, there is no way he is a bad/imposter kind of coach.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Am I misremembering or did Razor give a bit of an ultimatum to get this job when the NZRU would have preferred him to get international experience?

 

[BPM]

Bit of a gamble here. Definitely sounds like he’d lost the players, but with most of the bigger names in the side the wrong side of 30, whoever comes in is going to have a tricky task, particularly given the nature of their first few fixtures

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

multiple back to back super and NPC titles....his CV was as good as it gets short of already being proven on the interneational stage

Lots to unpick, but that’s definitely a big part of it. Coaching at domestic and international levels need very different skill sets. Much more around bringing together than teaching. Different amounts of time with players, bigger egos to manage etc.

 

[IT157]

Scott Robertson: All Black coach sacking marks another slip from the summit

Scott Robertson's sacking is just the most high-profile symptom of a deeper malaise in New Zealand rugby union.

www.bbc.com

I think this is a decent article on the All Blacks.

What do you think Kiwiwomble?