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Melhor Time

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Went on the air yesterday - http://www.rugbymania.com.br/2009/ver_noticia08.asp?codigo=4419

Suggested XV

15 Igor Klyuchnikov (VVA-Podmoskovje)
14 Vasily Artemiev (Northampton Saints, Inglaterra)
13 Igor Galinovskiy (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk)
12 Alexey Makovetskiy (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk)
11 Vladimir Ostroushko (Yenisy-STM Krasnoyarsk)
10 Yuriy Kushnaryov (VVA-Podmoskovje)
9 Alexander Yanyushkin (VVA-Podmoskovje)
8 Viatcheslav Gratchiov (Bizanos, França)
7 Andrey Garbuzov (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk)
6 Victor Gresev (VVA-Podmoskovje)
5 Kirill Kulemin (Castres, França)
4 Andreï Ostreïkov (Stade Aurillacois, França)
3 Ivan Prischepenko (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk)
2 Vladislav Korshunov capitão (VVA-Podmoskovje)
1 Sergey Popov (ShVSM Slava Moscow)

Reserves
16 Valeriy Tsnobiladze (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk)
17Alexey Travkin (VVA-Podmoskovje)
18 Alexander Voytov (VVA-Podmoskovje)
19 Andrey Temnov (Yenisy-STM Krasnoyarsk)
20 Alexander Shakirov (VVA-Podmoskovje)
21 Anton Ryabov (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk)
22 Sergey Trishin (VVA-Podmoskovje)

Aditional Players: 23 Valery Tsnobiladze (RC Novokuznetsk), 24 Alexey Chernyshov (SHVSM Slava Moscow), 25 Vladimir Boltenkov (Imperia-Dynamo), 26 Mikhail Sidorov (ShVSM Slava Moscow), 27 Dimitri Malyakin (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk), 28 Andrey Bykanov (ShVSM Slava Moscow), 29 Sergey Kuzmento (Yenisy-STM Krasnoyarsk), 30 Rushan Yagudin (Krasnay Yar Krasnoyarsk).

The Stars: Kirill Kulemin, Vasily Artemiev e Igor Galinovskiy

Others who could impress: Victor Gresev, Alexander Yanyushkin e Igor Klyuchnikov

Preview

Can Russia win the Rugby World Cup?

No. Nobody on the planet would say that Russia has conditions to win the Rugby World Cup this year. But at the same time nobody thought that it would be possible to have Russia in New Zealand 2011. Russia has never played in a Rugby World Cup and four years ago there were no reports that they´d be debuting this time around. But it would be ignorance to suggest that Russia doesn´t have chances considering that the team qualified for Rugby World Cup 2011 with victories against European teams with RWC experience. Russia´s qualification was not by chance but, indeed, it was by quality. The Russian Bears defeated strong European countries including Romania. - that has participated in every Rugby World Cup in history. Russia is the debutant, but without question, New Zealand 2011 is not goint o be Russia´s only appearance at a Rugby World Cup. It is, rather, going to be the first of many. Russia already has an infrastructure that is superior to many countries. The countries domestic league is professional and is improving. This is vital, keeping in mind that Australia has not domestic competition, professional or amateur and that Scotland has only two teams and no domestic professional league. In other words, Russia already has the basis ready to explode to become a force in rugby and they want to, in some way, leave their mark on the world this year. Moscow is going to host the Rugby Sevens World Cup in 2013. For now Russia does not compete in European tournaments such as the Heineken Cup or Amlin Challenge Cup, but Russia is trying to participate in the Amlin Challenge Cup. It is just a matter of time considering that both Spain and Romania have a team each in the competition.

The Russian Professional League (Профессиональная регбийная лига) began in 2005 and in 2011 has eight professional teams. For 2012 it could have as many as 15 teams. The teams in 2011 are from various parts of the country, covering an area larger than Brazil. There are four teams in the capital, Moscow, (VVA-Podmoskovye, Slava Moscou, Fili Moscou and Spartak Moscou), three teams in Sibéria (Krasny Yar e Yenisy-STM from Krasnoyarsk and RC Novokuznetsk from Novokutznesk) and one team from Penza (Imperia Dynamo Penza). The distance from Moscow to Penza is 556 km and from Moscow to Krasnoyarsk is 3,360 km. In other words, the distances are larger than going from Brasilia to Quito (Equador) or from Rio de Janeiro to Santiago (Chile). But like in the case of Canada, the enormous distances are not blocking the progress of rugby in the country. Sibéria is where rugby is traditionally more popular.

Russia´s professional league is the best explanation for the evolution of rugby in the country and it is not only the Rusian national side that is improving. Rugby in the entire region of the former U.S.S.R and its former communist neighbours are benefiting. Like in the Six Nations, all professional teams in Russia have imported players. But, in large they are not rugby players from traditional teams like Argentina, Canada, Fiji, New Zealand or Samoa. The cuurrent Russian champion, VVA-Podmoskovye has three players from Moldova and one from Lithuania. Spartak has players from Georgia, Moldava and Azerbaijan - a country that is not even part of thwe IRB World Rankings. Slava has two players from Wales. Imperia-Dynamo Penza has players from Kazakhstan, Moldova and Ukraine. The three teams from Siberia have many players from Kazakhstan in additionl to players from georia and even New Zealand. Despite having so many countries represented in the league, the vast majority of players are Russian.

In addition to having plenty of potencial, Russia has players playing abroad. Secondrower, Sergueï Sergueïev played for Montauban (France) when the team was in the Top 14 Orange.Abother secondrower, Andreï Ostreïkov played for Agen (France) when it was in the Pro D2 (second division) and he now plays for Stade Aurillacois (Pro D2). Since 2008 another secondrower, Kirill Kulemin has played for Castres in the Top 14. Centre, Konstantin Rachkov has been playing in France since 2001. But themost interesting export is winger, Vasily Artemiev, who is to play in England for the Heineken Cup runners-up, Northampton after the Rugby World Cup. He studies in Ireland and graduated in Law before returning to Russia in 2008. During his time in Ireland, Artemiev played for the Irish school Boys and under 19 and under 20 Leinster teams and even the Ireland under 19 team. Curiously, Ireland and Russia will face each other in Rugby World Cup 2011.

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Russia´s qualification was not easy. The Bears had to face Germany Georgia, Portugal, Romania and Spain home and away with the two best teams advancing to RWC 2011. The qualification began in november 2008 with a 42-15 win vs Spain in Moscow. Next up Russia defeated Portugal 18-14 in Lisbon in february 2009. Two victories agasinst previous Rugby World Cup participants was incredible for Russia, but results just gort better. Two weeks after winning in Lisbon, Russia defeated Romania 28-19 in Bucharest to show that, without question there was a new force in eastern Europe. Because of political issues between Russia and Georgia the matches between the sides had to be relocated with Ukraine hosting and Georigia winning 29-21. The Bears completed an impressive 53-0 win vs Germany in Hanover in its final match of the first phase. This put Russia in second position, behind Georgia while Romania were in fourth behind Portugal.

The second phase took place between February and March 2010. Russia began with a 14-10 victory ina highly competitive match vs Portugal in Sochi. One week latter, Russia traveled to Madrid and defeated Spain 38-20 to almost confirm its qualification for the first time ever in a Rugby World Cup. All that was required was one more victory and it almost occured the following week as Russia drew 21-21 with Romania in Sochi. This meant Russia had to defeat either Germany or Georgia in the final two matches. The Ursos were too strong for Germany in winning 48-11 in Sochi and with this they qualified with one game in hand. The final match was vs Georgia and this time was played in Turkey with the Lelos winning 36-9. This meant Georgia qualified in Pool B as “Europa 1†and REussia in Pool B as “Europa 2â€. In addition to qualifying for New Zealand 2011, Surria also had a lot of success in general. The Bears defeated previous World Cup participants including Spain, Namibia, Romania and Uruguay. They also defeated the Czech Republic and Ukraine. The game against Namibia was played in Windhoek with Russia winning 30-15. The results in Europe were highly positive against all teams except Georgia. Russia played well in the Churchill Cup in both 2010 and 2011 but hads a disasterous match against Japan in which the Japanese won 75-3 in Tokyo in 2010 - a result that is very difficult to interpret.

Russia has a very difficult group in the World Cup. There are matches against Australia, Ireland, Italy and the United States of America. To complicate matter even further, Russia will only have eleve days for its three matches vs the USA, Italy and Ireland. its a higly complicated schedule. The Bears will put everything into their first match, the battle of the Cold War, vs the USA in New Plymouth. Russia could win the match, without question. The first international match between the countries took palce in June 2010 in the Churchill Cup. It was highly competitive with both teams winning at different times. In the end, the USA Eagles won 39-22. The second match between the teams was played in June 2011 and was even more competitive. After 65 minutes, scores were locked at 25-25 until the North Americans scored a try to win 32-25. The other matches took place in 1988 in Moscow with the USA winning by 31-16 and in Tokyo in 2004 with a 41-11 win for the USA.

There has only been one match ever between Russia and Ireland. It took place in the city of Krasnoyarsk in 2002 and was part of qualification for Rugby World Cup 2003. Ireland won 35-3. The game against Australia will go down in history as the first ever match between the sides. Matches between Russia and Italy are a different story as there have been 17 in total. The first took place in 1978 with Russia winning 11-9 in Rome. Russia also defeated Italy in 1979, 1980, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988 and 1989. In total, Russia won nine matches and Italy seven. But Italy have won every match since 1990 and has shown tremendous progress during this period. The last game between the sides was played in Moscow in 2006 with Italy winning 67-7 as part of qualification for Rugby World Cup 2007.

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My prediction is that Russia will be able to score tries and will be competitive in this area of play. The defence is going to be another story altogether. Russia has success in rugby Sevens and even defeated Australia in 2006 in London. The Russians should win respect and its participation will in no way be embarassing. Nevertheless, I cannot see Russia winning a match. The United States should be concentrated and play with its first choice XV to ensure they win the game. Ireland and Ausralia should win by big scores but Russia should score tries. Ireland won´t let itself be scared to death again, as in 2007 vs Georgia. The interesting match, besides the one vs the USA will the match vs Italy. The Italians will likely use the match to give fringe players opportunities because of the Italians match schedule. Hence, Russia could be more competitive than reputations suggest.
 
Amazing I thought people were exagerating about Armetiv's accent.
 
Great preview Melhor, having seen Russia play Canada twice(2009 in Canada, this June at the Churchill Cup) I agree with your assesment that their attack should br pretty good, they have several players that are good on thee break and will put a few tries up. Hopefully they can improve the fitness as both times they have faced Canada they seemed to fade at around the hour mark.

Qualification for the RWC is getting increasingly tough for the tier two European nations with Russia, Georgia, Romania and Portugal all around the same level as well Spain can't be taken too lightly or they could produce a shock result. I'm really looking forward to their game with the States but I do think the Americans will prevail.

Russia to go 0-4 but acquit themselves well in virtually all their matches.
 
5 Kirill Kulemin (Castres, França)
21 Anton Ryabov (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk)
24 Alexey Chernyshov (SHVSM Slava Moscow)
25 Vladimir Boltenkov (Imperia-Dynamo)
27 Dimitri Malyakin (Krasny Yar Krasnoyarsk)
28 Andrey Bykanov (ShVSM Slava Moscow)
29 Sergey Kuzmento (Yenisy-STM Krasnoyarsk)
30 Rushan Yagudin (Krasnay Yar Krasnoyarsk)

The following players from your 30 man squad didn't make the reduced 34 man squad

http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?23867-Russia-trim-squad-ahead-of-tour-of-the-UK

For now Russia does not compete in European tournaments such as the Heineken Cup or Amlin Challenge Cup, but Russia is trying to participate in the Amlin Challenge Cup. It is just a matter of time considering that both Spain and Romania have a team each in the competition.

VVA Podmoskovye should certainly play in the Amlin Challenge Cup, they have 15 players from the 34 man squad, but I think the Spanish team being in the competition should be reviewed as they are not good enough

Russia´s professional league is the best explanation for the evolution of rugby in the country and it is not only the Rusian national side that is improving. Rugby in the entire region of the former U.S.S.R and its former communist neighbours are benefiting. Like in the Six Nations, all professional teams in Russia have imported players. But, in large they are not rugby players from traditional teams like Argentina, Canada, Fiji, New Zealand or Samoa. The cuurrent Russian champion, VVA-Podmoskovye has three players from Moldova and one from Lithuania. Spartak has players from Georgia, Moldava and Azerbaijan - a country that is not even part of thwe IRB World Rankings. Slava has two players from Wales. Imperia-Dynamo Penza has players from Kazakhstan, Moldova and Ukraine. The three teams from Siberia have many players from Kazakhstan in additionl to players from georia and even New Zealand. Despite having so many countries represented in the league, the vast majority of players are Russian.

How come the Georgia squad has players who play in just two countries Georgia and France? it would be logical for some Georgians to play for the Top teams in the Russian league than Féderale 1 and 2 teams in France

I also think in the future it wouldn't be a bad idea for the Georgian league to merge with the Russian league and the league to become an Eastern Europe league

or they could even have a Heineken Cup style tournament with teams from Japan in it, and call it the Eurasia cup

that idea would make even more sense if you're correct in saying that rugby is most popular in Siberia, and Georgia is on the border with Asia too and some even consider Georgia to be Asia

however the Georgian and Russian authorities shouldn't do this if they have ambitions of ever joining the 6 Nations, but that dream would be long term but a Eurasia club tournament would be much easier to do in the short term

what do you think Melhor?

My prediction is that Russia will be able to score tries and will be competitive in this area of play. The Russians should win respect and its participation will in no way be embarassing. Nevertheless, I cannot see Russia winning a match. The United States should be concentrated and play with its first choice XV to ensure they win the game. Ireland and Ausralia should win by big scores but Russia should score tries. The interesting match, besides the one vs the USA will the match vs Italy. The Italians will likely use the match to give fringe players opportunities because of the Italians match schedule. Hence, Russia could be more competitive than reputations suggest.

I agree with that prediction after watching them in the Churchill Cup (where they played a very exciting style of running rugby and should have beaten Italy A if they could scrummage/kick), they won't be thrashed by the USA, in fact that will be a good game
 
How come the Georgia squad has players who play in just two countries Georgia and France? it would be logical for some Georgians to play for the Top teams in the Russian league than Féderale 1 and 2 teams in France

There are a lot of Georgian rugby players that have dual citizenship in France and would prefer to live there rather than back home or in Russia.
 
Psychic these are just the squads that Melhor would recommend not what the actual coach has chosen.
 
Psychic Duck

In terms of Georgia, politics and ties are closer to France than Russia. Lelos coaches encourage players to play in France and happen to have lies which makes the process simple. I´ll talk more about this on my Georgia preview when I put it up. My thoughts on rugby within Georgia and what to do is that Tblissi needs to have a professional team compete in either the Romanian or Russian league. Domestic rugby has a lot to do but the fan base is very strong and they need local teams to get behind. The Russian league is so successful and is going to just get bigger. Teams from abroad want in. Lithuania is close, word has it. Georgia must act and make it happen.

The landscape of European rugby will be so different in 30 years to what it is today. I don´t know if the Six Nations will still exist and to be honest I think it´d be good to be disbanded, same with the Four Nations. There should be a European Cup and an Oceania Cup like soccer does with Euro, etc. Today it sounds like a dumb idea but the same will not be able to be said in the future as there are simply going to be much more powers around. Georgia today are where Italy and Canada were in the 1990´s. Russia and Romania have professional leagues and with rugby beconming so much bigger the amount of money in the sport will just go up. Argentina and the USA will be professional shortly, both probably before Rugby World Cup 2015. Considering Argentina had 34 players in the Top 14 last season and these guys would likely mostly be in Argentina then French sides will need to find the players elsewhere..... its going to create more professional players from more places and ultimately better Rugby World Cups.
 
In terms of Georgia, politics and ties are closer to France than Russia.

Yes, Georgia and Russia don't like each other on a political level so that could be an obstacle in players playing there or Georgian team in the Russian Championship

Domestic rugby has a lot to do but the fan base is very strong and they need local teams to get behind. he Russian league is so successful and is going to just get bigger. Teams from abroad want in. Lithuania is close, word has it. Georgia must act and make it happen.

I think there is a gap in the market for rugby in Eastern Europe at the minute, there are a lot of people in those nations and the people there are very patriotic and I'm sure they will support the team and turn out in numbers at least to the national team's matches if the team is successful and playing big teams (like Italy's fans).

Also in Eastern Europe the competition in the sports market isn't as competitive (the only team sport competitor is football) as USA/Canada where there are dozens of team sports fighting for fans, and countries like Portugal/Spain/Germany/Brazil/Uruguay where football is so dominant (although rugby in Argentina and Italy appears to have a market despite football being very dominant there).



I don´t know if the Six Nations will still exist and to be honest I think it´d be good to be disbanded, same with the Four Nations. There should be a European Cup and an Oceania Cup like soccer does with Euro, etc.

In the next 10 years or so, I think there may be a playoff between the nation bottom of the 6 nations and the nations top of the 6 nations B, and maybe have it once every two years. I hope whatever happens is that if any country ever becomes good they don't get ignored and then the team's players get old and they then come into a tournament rebuilding and initially not competitive (like when Italy were added to the 6 nations and regularly conceded 50+ points each match, I fear a similar thing has happened with Argentina, if they were fast tracked into a tournament after RWC 07 they would have been tough for any nation but the team gradually lost momentum and they are now in a transition phase)

Russia and Georgia are in a good place geographically as they could very easily play in a European tournament or do something with Japan, a luxury which Argentina was not able to have being an only team in a continent not too near

I like a European Cup idea but having enough good nations for one is a long way off

I'm not sure who you think will play an Oceania Cup, that would just be a Bledisloe Cup with warm up matches, the Pacific Nations have no potential to improve much on how good they are now they will always have the same old problems, the only way they can improve is if the nation itself becomes richer

South Africa and Argentina are very hard to find annual tournaments for because they are alone in their continent, I don't think the Tri Nations works to be honest, it gets very stale every year with the teams playing each other over and over again, and the matches don't become memorable, the crowds don't create that good an atmosphere and the away team fans don't travel too much or even watch all due to time zones and distance

I hope next year each team plays each other just once,

I think now has more potential for worldwide growth in rugby than ever! and it will be very interesting to see how professionalism goes in USA, Japan, Argentina and Russia by RWC 2023


 
Maybe i could answers some of your questions. 1) Why do Georgian players prefer French fderale 1 over Russian Championship ? this one has many answers, of course politics is one of them. but its not as big of a reason as you might think because there are no political tensions between Romania and Georgia but you still don't see Georgian players in Romania very often do you? why ? because Georgians think they can learn more in France... when a player is leaving for France(federale 1) he's always thinking about going up eventually to top 14 or one league below that. Also many Georgians believe that Russian/Romanian championships aren't that much stronger than Georgian.
one more thing http://worldsport.ge/Read.aspx?lang=2&news=9856
 
Maybe i could answers some of your questions. 1) Why do Georgian players prefer French fderale 1 over Russian Championship ? this one has many answers, of course politics is one of them. but its not as big of a reason as you might think because there are no political tensions between Romania and Georgia but you still don't see Georgian players in Romania very often do you? why ? because Georgians think they can learn more in France... when a player is leaving for France(federale 1) he's always thinking about going up eventually to top 14 or one league below that. Also many Georgians believe that Russian/Romanian championships aren't that much stronger than Georgian.
one more thing http://worldsport.ge/Read.aspx?lang=2&news=9856

Thanks Toko_11, I see your point regarding the Georgians in Féderale 1, but how come very few Russians are in the French league?

and even Romania have just nine French based players in their RWC squad (before it would have been more like Georgia's squad), more and more Romanians are playing in Romania

do Russians and Romanians stay in their country simply because they have a pro league?

I like the Black Sea Cup but it missing Russian teams, VVA-Podmoskovye should be in it

also can somebody tell me why despite having a professional set up, Romania is getting worse not better (going by results since 2007 RWC), is there interest in the sport there? what is going wrong? is it just a bad crop of players?
 
All i can say is Georgian Rugby Union is paying huge attention to developing rugby on youth levels which is not the case in Russia/Romania. if you look at the teams in Georgia you will see constant change.. young player leaves for France another younger player takes his place in the team. But in Russia teams have the same lineups for dozens of years and that doesn't do much good for their youth.

I'm not sure why there are few Russian/Romanian players in France you should ask them. what i know is that Rugby is not making much progress in Romania they are getting weaker year after year.


Russians were invited to participate in Black sea cup but they didn't come. The reason was political again I think Russian foreign ministry refused to let them go because the tournament was held in Georgia
 
I just read Adam Byrnes speaks no Russian on this interview

in my opinion there is no way he should be able to qualify to play for Russia if he doesn't speak the language, for me the ability to be able to speak the language is the ultimate yardstick to judge how much of a "Russian" he is

I would never want somebody with distant connections to the nation I support (Wales) to come over and play for the national team without being able to speak the language fluently
 
I just read Adam Byrnes speaks no Russian on this interview

in my opinion there is no way he should be able to qualify to play for Russia if he doesn't speak the language, for me the ability to be able to speak the language is the ultimate yardstick to judge how much of a "Russian" he is

I would never want somebody with distant connections to the nation I support (Wales) to come over and play for the national team without being able to speak the language fluently

Are you saying they need to speak Welsh fluently? How many of the current Welsh Squad can do that? Your requirment is very narrow for qualification. What about English speak countries, to qualify for England an Aussie must get his teeth smashed up, a Kiwi, must change his name to Bruce, an Englishman must learn to skate and say Eh? to play for Canada?
 
Most of the Welsh squad speak fluent Welsh, I believe (they made a point that the entire set of backs speaks Welsh vs England)


On Russia: They just took a bit of a beating against Northampton (50+ to about 12)
From what I gather they were all right ball in hand, but got smashed at the scrum and lineout
 
Are you saying they need to speak Welsh fluently? How many of the current Welsh Squad can do that? Your requirment is very narrow for qualification. What about English speak countries, to qualify for England an Aussie must get his teeth smashed up, a Kiwi, must change his name to Bruce, an Englishman must learn to skate and say Eh? to play for Canada?

no of course not that's a stupid interpretation of my comment, only about 18% of the Welsh population speak Welsh so it's obviously not the main language, and English is listed as an official language of Wales anyway

let me be clearer then, if one can't speak one of the nations official languages one shouldn't be allowed to qualify for that nation

and your latter "point" about English speaking countries is miles away from my point
 
the full time score in the Northampton match was 54-19, Northampton played a completely different team in each half

the Saints scored a penalty try which suggests Mujati and Mercey were destroying the scrum
 
I think the penalty try was in the first half when Paul Doran-Jones was on, rather than Mujati
 
I think the penalty try was in the first half when Paul Doran-Jones was on, rather than Mujati

doesn't surprise me, their scrum was munched by Italy A in the Churchill Cup match I watched, if they hadn't conceded several penalties there they could have won

Alberto de Marchi and Gloucester's new prop Dario Chistolini were the props destroying it that day

Chistolini could be a surprise player to emerge this season in the Premiership I think, nobody has built him up (until now:D) so he is under no expectation, but I think he will be better than Doran-Jones for the Cherries and could do a good job there like Nieto does at Saracens (why has Nieto disappeared from the Italy scene?, doesn't even make the wider 45 man squad) and could be a future tighthead for Italy after Castro, he's only early twenties so Chistolini if he's good will be at Gloucester quite a while and should prove to be a good investment
 

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