South Africa vs British and Irish Lions - Test 2

[Dean Cooperfield-West]

Nothing will happen to Kolbe and Faf

 

[g6mcg]

Even worse than the second Lions performance will be the South African fans. Literally he WORST winners in world rugby.

Speaking from a position of experience, I don't think there are any good winners in rugby. Maybe the French/Italians? They seem to enjoy it but suspect that might be language issues

 

[ChicagoKid]

Lood changed everything. Lineouts, mauls, scrum - he was the X factor.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't know why anyone expected a Warren Gatland coached side to have a plan B when out muscled
Never has done, never will

This was always going to happen - even if we do (supposedly) have an attack coach on tour

 

[HenryChinaski]

AWJ hasn't been the problem today, there's no reason to drop him.

Kolbe should be banned, quite possibly Faf too.

Not the problem I agree, but hasn't done a huge amount either. Which feels mad when you've got Hendo twiddling his willy and Lawes playing pretty well at 6.

 

[Rinkadink]

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Interesting you aren't going mad over Kolbe's play acting as you did with Farrell during world cup, IIRC.

 

[Jimbo]

So what we have learned this week is

- create an hour video like a winging ***** and literally avoid multiple clear cut reds the following week.
- The lions back 3 can be utterly shocking under the high ball.
- Ken Owens darts are far from perfect
- The lions scrum is not as solid as last week suggested.
- The Dislike for Daly is so much that’s he’s responsible for the back 3 (he’s not included in) ******** the bed due to leading training (tongue in cheek I appreciate but it’s something he is constantly criticised for don’t think it’s a good look tbf).
- AWJ really doesn’t constitute an awful lot.

 

[g6mcg]

AWJ hasn't been the problem today, there's no reason to drop him.

Kolbe should be banned, quite possibly Faf too.

Not saying he should be dropped, but you'd hope his leadership would avoid that second half meltdown. Felt similarly about the Wales vs France game and fairly sure a less experienced experienced captain would have it pinned on them.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

**** second half from the Lions, **** bench. Lots of changes needed. Was always going to come down to the third test.

 

[Jer1cho]

Lions didn't look like scoring once in the entire match. Just high kicks hoping for the best. So much attacking talent wasted many times.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Lions didn't look like scoring once in the entire match. Just high kicks hoping for the best. So much attacking talent wasted many times.

Why attack when you can just blindly run into probably the most physical side in the game over and over and over and over and

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

AWJ had an alright game but I don't care - these type of games are the EXACT type that Henderson thrives in. He is far more aggressive and a far better ball carrier. I'm not buying the leadership stuff, these boys are at the highest level and many captain their clubs and respective countries. Henderson is his club captain and has captained Ireland before. He needs in.

I want Beirne more involved too, bringing him on at the 71st minute isn't good enough.

Williams and Adams in as everyone else is saying.

Jones and Sutherland were extremely poor, not good bench replacements.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Interesting you aren't going mad over Kolbe's play acting as you did with Farrell during world cup, IIRC.

Link a video with the play in question and I'll give you my sincere thoughts on it.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The biggest thing for me is this is the 3rd game in a row now against SA where the Lions have shown no real attacking plan. Just hoof the ball at them and hope for the best. We don't appear to even have a clear idea of whether we contest or look to turnover the player when they land. It's pretty damning on Townsend and Gatland just how atrocious the attack is.

 

[Gena_ZA]

Even worse than the second Lions performance will be the South African fans. Literally he WORST winners in world rugby.

One week closer to 12 more years, you're welcome
Lions lost it in almost the exact same way the Boks lost it last week, Boks more accurate and clinical, they are still some distance of full potential, next week they could start to fire again

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Personally I would start Henderson over Lawes and have Lawes, Bernie and Watson on the bench.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Personally I would start Henderson over Lawes and have Lawes, Bernie and Watson on the bench.

Best back 5 we can put out is:

Itoje, Henderson
Beirne, Curry, Conan

Lawes, Watson


don't @ me

 

[Dean Cooperfield-West]

Curry has been underwhelming in two games now. Watson needs to start

 

[AlRums]

@TRF_Olyy please delete my account and all messages here like WelshExile I have had enough of the toxic atmosphere and no longer want to be a part of it

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

He'll probably change his mind tomorrow when he is sober.

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

I actually thought Curry had a decent game today? His tackling was extremely physical

 

[Dean Cooperfield-West]

@TRF_Olyy please delete my account and all messages here like WelshExile I have had enough of the toxic atmosphere and no longer want to be a part of it

 

[ncurd]

The reality is with the forwards we are merely tweaking than fixing. Sure we could all probably name a better forward pack but it won't be leagues ahead of what we've played. The bench options are all equally fine.

However the problem is tactical and slightly personalle. We don't have a scrum half that's great for high tempo games but that isn't instantly fixed because none of the Lions nations have an international in form who is. Then at 10 *sigh* Biggar os fine but he's never been dynamic and Farrell is far worse. Gatland is never picking a Russell/Smith/Ford type as Ive said all along and fron there its just ****** and nothing is going to fix that unless Gats gets COVID and Townsend is put in charge.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I actually thought Curry had a decent game today? His tackling was extremely physical

Same,
He's not playing his usual game but he was decent enough

I rate Watson massively but I don't think he'd improve the side by starting, when we already look underpowered
Off the bench against (hopefully) tired legs is where he'd shine

 

[unrated]

The biggest thing for me is this is the 3rd game in a row now against SA where the Lions have shown no real attacking plan. Just hoof the ball at them and hope for the best. We don't appear to even have a clear idea of whether we contest or look to turnover the player when they land. It's pretty damning on Townsend and Gatland just how atrocious the attack is.

To be fair i do think the high balls has worked well. It has caused lots of confusion. Its a clear strategy. One i thought worked for a good while

 

[TRF_Olyy]

How's this for some tackle completion stats:

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Watson had a poor game.
Crazy considering his catching ability is a big plus with England on the wing.

 

[odw26]

Same,
He's not playing his usual game but he was decent enough

I rate Watson massively but I don't think he'd improve the side by starting, when we already look underpowered
Off the bench against (hopefully) tired legs is where he'd shine

I agree. I thought Curry and Itoje were really good in the first half.

 

[odw26]

Watson had a poor game.
Crazy considering his catching ability is a big plus with England on the wing.

I still see Watson as being the safest to retain his place, though. I think Williams has to come in for Hogg and potentially Adams for van der Merwe although I still think van der Merwe can offer more than Adams outside of being in the right place at the right time, and to be fair, Adams I thin is also better under the high ball.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I reckon it'll be Duhan, Adams, Williams back three

Duhan wasn't great today (yellow card, 0m made) but probably has enough credit in the bank from this tour to retain his spot - and I don't think Gatland would throw LRZ in there