South African Youth Player Drain

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    The Cheetahs have some advantages.

    1. They start their season earlier and then come up against pro14 teams who are not match fit.

    2. They play at altitude which gives them a natural advantage especially combined with the first point.

    3. The other pro14 sides missed their internationals a lot of the time.

    4. The other pro14 sides have European matches throughout the season along with international matches.


    It's not like for like when you compare super rugby to the pro14.
     
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    Well let's see what happens when we revert back to Strength vs. Strength competition in SR. I'm pretty sure a lot of guys might return to SA when that model is back, plus SARU's new plan might also then be working a lot better.

    We are being too hasty now. Let everything get sorted in our own house first and then look abroad.
     
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    This can't be understated,
    The extra rest weekends will be massive
     
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    Especially since the Cheetahs didn't have any World Cup players...
     
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    That’s the thing though isn’t it? The other teams has International players to lose. The Cheetahs does not. So the other teams losing their internationals just brings it down to equal footing. Two teams without internationals battling it out.
     
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    Only time in recent history I can remember that the Cheetahs weren't effectively a feeder team was 2013 when they managed to retain a surprising number of players from the previous year and they made the SR play offs that year.
     
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    That's the unfortunate thing for the Cheetahs. They are basically a stepping stone for the guys from Grey. So many good players in that region but only that much space available. So the other unions try and get the best guys early, and if they don't those guys go to the Cheetahs, and wait until they get an offer from the other unions.
     
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    Here's just one of the kids that's going abroad, Jason Nel, he signed with Perpignan:

     
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    If I was a French kid I would be so annoyed. Every import is reducing their chances of getting picked.
     
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    Do you know what the story is behind him leaving? The way he plays reminds me of the du Preez twins in their school days.
     
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    No idea, he was overlooked for Craven Week too, even though he is in Westvalia at school who participates in the Virseker series.
     
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    Agreed, but it doesn't make it right, if countries are allowed to buy in players then we may as well not bother with national teams and stick with club competitions

    What do you guys think of Jan Hendrick Wessels?
     
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    Oh yeah, he's a beast. can play lock and prop. Has some serious gas for a big guy.
     
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    ANC selection policies? Rassie and the Boks just won the RWC. you may of noticed. I think they are doing just fine. The difference is that Rassie unlike the previous coach was allowed to pick overseas based players like Kolbe, Faf, etc They seem to be doing very nicely. The pressure the Rugby union put on them to develop non white players seems to be paying off in spades. The huge potential of the black population is obvious to anyone it seems who's not a white South African.
     
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    Okay, I'll bite, just for the sake of seeing how this pans out.

    Development of youth, and the selection of players for the Springboks is 2 different things.

    AC had the right to pick foreign based players, even though there was the 30-cap rule. That's all that changed, and even though that rule was enforced, AC still picked players playing overseas with less than 30 springbok caps.

    There is definitely a huge potential in the black population in SA, nobody is disputing that. And you won't find many arguments with the players selected for the RWC last year, no matter the colour of their skin.

    The issue has more to do with forcing teams to select players who are not on merit, and basically giving them a free pass to more game time at a higher level, when the quality is poor. And it's not just in rugby either. Vernon Philander is just the latest guy to talk about how he hates the quota/transformation policy in cricket.
     
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    Shouldn't have quotas/targets. Just invest in good quality coaching at a young age (schools/age grade clubs) ensure that as far as possible everyone gets the same opportunity and the cream will rise to the top.

    Quotas/targets are patronising and puts an * against every player who does make it.
     
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    Can anyone put together a South African 15 currently in the 6 nations squads? This isn’t meant to be a wind up, but I find it quite fascinating that there are loads of South Africans playing for other countries and they produce so many quality players.
     
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    You can’t make a full 15 and there weren’t any backs that I saw, this is what I came up with by skimming through the squads.
    1 Allan Dell SCO
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    3 WP Nel SCO
    4 Bernard Le Roux FRA
    5 Paul Willemse FRA
    6 Johan Meyer ITA
    7 Braam Steyn ITA
    8 CJ Stander IRE
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    19 Cornell Du Preez SCO
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