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Bullitt
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Well, yeah actually... Rugby was invented in... Guess where.....
RUGBY!
D'UH!
RUGBY!
D'UH!
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Prestwick
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Rugby, West Ohio?
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Sir Speedy
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steve-o @ May 20 2009, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
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Now that you've accepted it, we can close the thread.
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Steve-o
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ May 20 2009, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Right, there's 6 different tangents going off in one there. I'll ignore the politics comment (because it was completely pointless) and reply to your Northampton-related comment.
Reihana - Awesome player, legend in his own lunchtime. Guess what, I'm also a huge fan of Carlos Spencer and Mark Robinson. So f***in' what? I said that in the Super 14 they can't tackle for **** (case point, Tahs v Lions). I never said anything like "ALL SUPA 14 PAYAZ AR ****!!1!LOL". Why would I say anything like that?
Rugby is a team sport, and IMO NH clubs are better at the team game then SH provinces.
As for Freddie, he decided he wanted out of the Bulls when he wasn't getting any game time behind Matfield and Botha. Not an easy pair to overcome. So he moved up here and he's been bloody brilliant. But then again, he ain't been a patch on local lad, 19 year old Courtney Lawes who's been a revelation of epic proportion.
So wile were on the subject, let's compare the development numbers vs academy numbers in the regular starting lineup for this past season; Murray, Smith, Kruger, Grey, Foden, Dickson, Reihana & Downey are not academy products... Hartley, Lawes, Easter, Hopley, Diggin, Ansbro, Clarke, Starling, Ashton & Myler are from the academy. And counting all of those, only Kruger and Reihana aren't qualified to play for one of the home nations.
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Why? Why are NH clubs better at the team then SH provinces? Even if you don't like it International rugby is the highest form of the game, if you don't wanna join in the fun, your loss.
Right, there's 6 different tangents going off in one there. I'll ignore the politics comment (because it was completely pointless) and reply to your Northampton-related comment.
Reihana - Awesome player, legend in his own lunchtime. Guess what, I'm also a huge fan of Carlos Spencer and Mark Robinson. So f***in' what? I said that in the Super 14 they can't tackle for **** (case point, Tahs v Lions). I never said anything like "ALL SUPA 14 PAYAZ AR ****!!1!LOL". Why would I say anything like that?
Rugby is a team sport, and IMO NH clubs are better at the team game then SH provinces.
As for Freddie, he decided he wanted out of the Bulls when he wasn't getting any game time behind Matfield and Botha. Not an easy pair to overcome. So he moved up here and he's been bloody brilliant. But then again, he ain't been a patch on local lad, 19 year old Courtney Lawes who's been a revelation of epic proportion.
So wile were on the subject, let's compare the development numbers vs academy numbers in the regular starting lineup for this past season; Murray, Smith, Kruger, Grey, Foden, Dickson, Reihana & Downey are not academy products... Hartley, Lawes, Easter, Hopley, Diggin, Ansbro, Clarke, Starling, Ashton & Myler are from the academy. And counting all of those, only Kruger and Reihana aren't qualified to play for one of the home nations.
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Why? Why are NH clubs better at the team then SH provinces? Even if you don't like it International rugby is the highest form of the game, if you don't wanna join in the fun, your loss.
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Steve-o
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ May 20 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
...Umm, d'uh???
Nice. Isn't Rugby in Warwickshire?
...Umm, d'uh???
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Bullitt
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steve-o @ May 20 2009, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Because:
The Bigger NH packs would munch their SH counterparts.
leading to
The SH backs kicking the ball aimlessly straight down the middle, as is standard procedure for any Super 14 franchise under pressure.
leading to either
The NH backlines, which naturally the SH would underestimate as nobody down there ever takes time to watch a match before criticising, would run riot and carve up the pathetic defensive lines.
or
The NH kicks returning the ball accurately with interest, finding touch, gaining territory then allowing the bigger and stronger packs to rumble trough.
Easy.
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Matter of opinion, International rugby is pretty sucky ATM. Even the ABs have been particularly average since 2006.
Because:
The Bigger NH packs would munch their SH counterparts.
leading to
The SH backs kicking the ball aimlessly straight down the middle, as is standard procedure for any Super 14 franchise under pressure.
leading to either
The NH backlines, which naturally the SH would underestimate as nobody down there ever takes time to watch a match before criticising, would run riot and carve up the pathetic defensive lines.
or
The NH kicks returning the ball accurately with interest, finding touch, gaining territory then allowing the bigger and stronger packs to rumble trough.
Easy.
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Matter of opinion, International rugby is pretty sucky ATM. Even the ABs have been particularly average since 2006.
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Steve-o
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Oh... My... God...
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KZNSharksFan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ May 21 2009, 06:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Because:
The Bigger NH packs would munch their SH counterparts.
leading to
The SH backs kicking the ball aimlessly straight down the middle, as is standard procedure for any Super 14 franchise under pressure.
leading to either
The NH backlines, which naturally the SH would underestimate as nobody down there ever takes time to watch a match before criticising, would run riot and carve up the pathetic defensive lines.
or
The NH kicks returning the ball accurately with interest, finding touch, gaining territory then allowing the bigger and stronger packs to rumble trough.
Easy.
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Matter of opinion, International rugby is pretty sucky ATM. Even the ABs have been particularly average since 2006.
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I hope you're taking the **** there, otherwise I do believe you just lost your last shred of credibility with that post. It truly was filled to the brim, with crap.
Because:
The Bigger NH packs would munch their SH counterparts.
leading to
The SH backs kicking the ball aimlessly straight down the middle, as is standard procedure for any Super 14 franchise under pressure.
leading to either
The NH backlines, which naturally the SH would underestimate as nobody down there ever takes time to watch a match before criticising, would run riot and carve up the pathetic defensive lines.
or
The NH kicks returning the ball accurately with interest, finding touch, gaining territory then allowing the bigger and stronger packs to rumble trough.
Easy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Matter of opinion, International rugby is pretty sucky ATM. Even the ABs have been particularly average since 2006.
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I hope you're taking the **** there, otherwise I do believe you just lost your last shred of credibility with that post. It truly was filled to the brim, with crap.
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KZNSharksFan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (toup @ May 21 2009, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
So speak to your players about leaving at the first sniff of some money?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KZNSharksFan @ May 20 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
By acknowledging the ability of their players and paying large sums to lure them away?
You also seem to be ignoring the positive benefits on OUR regions by experiencing these players to mentor and educate our home grown talent. It is not an attempt to destroy SH rugby, it's an acknowledgement of how much we can benefit from an import of ideas and ability. I'm proud of you South Africans for taking a moral stand on this though and refusing to import... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/index.p...mp;#entry396789
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How can you say that when the clubs are the ones proposing the deasl in the first place! Players down here are put in impossible positions by the clubs, where the only option some see open to them is to head overseas (Gary Botha, Philip Burger) etc etc etc.
And how can you say that the asset stripping of S14 teams is in anyway a show of respect by the NH clubs. Thats ludicrous.
So speak to your players about leaving at the first sniff of some money?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KZNSharksFan @ May 20 2009, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
By acknowledging the ability of their players and paying large sums to lure them away?
You also seem to be ignoring the positive benefits on OUR regions by experiencing these players to mentor and educate our home grown talent. It is not an attempt to destroy SH rugby, it's an acknowledgement of how much we can benefit from an import of ideas and ability. I'm proud of you South Africans for taking a moral stand on this though and refusing to import... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/index.p...mp;#entry396789
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How can you say that when the clubs are the ones proposing the deasl in the first place! Players down here are put in impossible positions by the clubs, where the only option some see open to them is to head overseas (Gary Botha, Philip Burger) etc etc etc.
And how can you say that the asset stripping of S14 teams is in anyway a show of respect by the NH clubs. Thats ludicrous.
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KZNSharksFan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ May 21 2009, 04:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Good support that, a wonderful variation on being fair weather fans . Do you all also stop attending when they're not winning?
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NO, you fool, did you even read what I said? Or do you always reply with bigoted, cynical remarks? You obviously are incapable of understanding English.
I will explain for you in lay terms. I would not support the local side if they were to suddenly start buying players from the otherside of the world purely for performance and business. I would rather suffer through several rubbish seasons than see players who have a real connection to the team and the area it represents pushed aside for foreigners.
We obviously have very different sets of values, maybe you see why we hate having players pulled away from our teams every bloody year.
Good support that, a wonderful variation on being fair weather fans . Do you all also stop attending when they're not winning?
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NO, you fool, did you even read what I said? Or do you always reply with bigoted, cynical remarks? You obviously are incapable of understanding English.
I will explain for you in lay terms. I would not support the local side if they were to suddenly start buying players from the otherside of the world purely for performance and business. I would rather suffer through several rubbish seasons than see players who have a real connection to the team and the area it represents pushed aside for foreigners.
We obviously have very different sets of values, maybe you see why we hate having players pulled away from our teams every bloody year.
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Jer1cho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steve-o @ May 20 2009, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Seconded... Just give up. I did. It's like trying to convince an elephant that a mouse is no threat...
Seconded... Just give up. I did. It's like trying to convince an elephant that a mouse is no threat...
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Bullitt
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KZNSharksFan @ May 21 2009, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Because:
The Bigger NH packs would munch their SH counterparts.
leading to
The SH backs kicking the ball aimlessly straight down the middle, as is standard procedure for any Super 14 franchise under pressure.
leading to either
The NH backlines, which naturally the SH would underestimate as nobody down there ever takes time to watch a match before criticising, would run riot and carve up the pathetic defensive lines.
or
The NH kicks returning the ball accurately with interest, finding touch, gaining territory then allowing the bigger and stronger packs to rumble trough.
Easy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Matter of opinion, International rugby is pretty sucky ATM. Even the ABs have been particularly average since 2006.
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I hope you're taking the **** there, otherwise I do believe you just lost your last shred of credibility with that post. It truly was filled to the brim, with crap.
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The difference between you and I... I will watch rugby from all over the world and I can see the difference. You however described NH rugby as "Mud wrestling"- In other words you haven't got a f***ing clue about the game here.
Super 14 rugby, while "exciting" for all of those long runs and speculative passes, is watered down with sloppy defensive lines and piddly small-mobile forwards. Most SH Stars who head north literally can't hack it because of the physicality; Spencer looked average more often then not, James is **** so resorts to blatant thuggery as cover for his short comings, Heyman was turned inside-out by a 37 year old, Rico Gear has done precisely nothing, Same can be said of Latham, Harrison is ****. In fact, of all the recent arrivals, only Chris Jack and Luke McAlistar have converted well.
Then again, I've had enough of trying to get you to understand this. With your track record for preciousness comments on SH players, the ELVs, anti-English statements and now the delving into personnel comments on this thread when you've not got a decent counter debate, it's clear there's a massive chip on your shoulder and you'll forever continue to believe whatever the hell you want.
And one more point: I didn't see many of you Sharks fans complaining when Michelak was running the show.
Because:
The Bigger NH packs would munch their SH counterparts.
leading to
The SH backs kicking the ball aimlessly straight down the middle, as is standard procedure for any Super 14 franchise under pressure.
leading to either
The NH backlines, which naturally the SH would underestimate as nobody down there ever takes time to watch a match before criticising, would run riot and carve up the pathetic defensive lines.
or
The NH kicks returning the ball accurately with interest, finding touch, gaining territory then allowing the bigger and stronger packs to rumble trough.
Easy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Matter of opinion, International rugby is pretty sucky ATM. Even the ABs have been particularly average since 2006.
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I hope you're taking the **** there, otherwise I do believe you just lost your last shred of credibility with that post. It truly was filled to the brim, with crap.
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The difference between you and I... I will watch rugby from all over the world and I can see the difference. You however described NH rugby as "Mud wrestling"- In other words you haven't got a f***ing clue about the game here.
Super 14 rugby, while "exciting" for all of those long runs and speculative passes, is watered down with sloppy defensive lines and piddly small-mobile forwards. Most SH Stars who head north literally can't hack it because of the physicality; Spencer looked average more often then not, James is **** so resorts to blatant thuggery as cover for his short comings, Heyman was turned inside-out by a 37 year old, Rico Gear has done precisely nothing, Same can be said of Latham, Harrison is ****. In fact, of all the recent arrivals, only Chris Jack and Luke McAlistar have converted well.
Then again, I've had enough of trying to get you to understand this. With your track record for preciousness comments on SH players, the ELVs, anti-English statements and now the delving into personnel comments on this thread when you've not got a decent counter debate, it's clear there's a massive chip on your shoulder and you'll forever continue to believe whatever the hell you want.
And one more point: I didn't see many of you Sharks fans complaining when Michelak was running the show.
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tommowins
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The NH is turning rugby into soccer. I love watching my team that is representing my state/reigon/provence/whatever. This is what happens in the southern hemisphere, apart from the odd player. In the northern hemisphere you have no idea which reigon is better than the other! Which reigon produces better players? Newcastle or London? Oh wait! that's right! we have no flippin idea because hardly any of the London team is actually from London, except for the bench and reserves...
As I said, the NH is turning rugby into soccer, a sport I deteste due to the fact that it has no loyalty whatsoever. No allegiance or pride to your heratige. Just whip off to whoever pays the most.
And that comment about the NH clubs being better than the SH clubs. Thats because your clubs are filled with 'import players' from other nations. And the only time that you aren't using our players? Internationals. Because the English team can only have English people, as you would know. The recent results speak for themselves for who's local players are better NH or SH:
Wales 9 - New Zealand 29 (22 November 2008)
England 6 - New Zealand 32 (29 November 2008)
England 14 - Australia 28 (Sat 15 Nov 2008)
France 13 - Australia 18 (Sat 22 Nov 2008)
England 6 - South Africa 42 (22 November 2008)
Scotland 10 - South Africa 14 (15 November 2008)
SH 6 - NH 0
As I said, the NH is turning rugby into soccer, a sport I deteste due to the fact that it has no loyalty whatsoever. No allegiance or pride to your heratige. Just whip off to whoever pays the most.
And that comment about the NH clubs being better than the SH clubs. Thats because your clubs are filled with 'import players' from other nations. And the only time that you aren't using our players? Internationals. Because the English team can only have English people, as you would know. The recent results speak for themselves for who's local players are better NH or SH:
Wales 9 - New Zealand 29 (22 November 2008)
England 6 - New Zealand 32 (29 November 2008)
England 14 - Australia 28 (Sat 15 Nov 2008)
France 13 - Australia 18 (Sat 22 Nov 2008)
England 6 - South Africa 42 (22 November 2008)
Scotland 10 - South Africa 14 (15 November 2008)
SH 6 - NH 0
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aligmacd123
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what about Wales vs Australia???
Who won that?
I know its little consolation but its something
Who won that?
I know its little consolation but its something
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Bullitt
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tommowins @ May 21 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Alright, almost a fair point... So explain all the Pacific Islanders masquerading as Kiwis, Various African nationals acting as Saffas or anyone acting as Oussies. Without saying "But they've been here since they were 15".
Alright, almost a fair point... So explain all the Pacific Islanders masquerading as Kiwis, Various African nationals acting as Saffas or anyone acting as Oussies. Without saying "But they've been here since they were 15".
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SaintsFan_Schweinsteiger_Webby
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tommowins @ May 21 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
We don't have regions, we prefer clubs.
Even we did have regions, London isn't a region, it's a city. As is Newcastle. Plus there's only one top level side actually based in London anymore. And if you really wanted to field a Harlequins team that were all born in or around Twickenham then you would struggle. Couldn't have the whole of London of course, because you'd effectively wipe out scores of clubs with 100+ years of history. And then I very much doubt people would be happy.
We don't have regions, we prefer clubs.
Even we did have regions, London isn't a region, it's a city. As is Newcastle. Plus there's only one top level side actually based in London anymore. And if you really wanted to field a Harlequins team that were all born in or around Twickenham then you would struggle. Couldn't have the whole of London of course, because you'd effectively wipe out scores of clubs with 100+ years of history. And then I very much doubt people would be happy.
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tommowins
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ May 21 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Alright, almost a fair point... So explain all the Pacific Islanders masquerading as Kiwis, Various African nationals acting as Saffas or anyone acting as Oussies. Without saying "But they've been here since they were 15".
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Digby Ioane. But he's been in Australia since he's 5!
Alright, almost a fair point... So explain all the Pacific Islanders masquerading as Kiwis, Various African nationals acting as Saffas or anyone acting as Oussies. Without saying "But they've been here since they were 15".
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Digby Ioane. But he's been in Australia since he's 5!
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Jer1cho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ May 21 2009, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Dude, FFS, you can't keep churning up crap like this. You think players from here can't take the physicality? Rubbish. We are the hardest hitters in the game. Always have been. Thuggery is individualistic, and James has always been a dirty player. You say we have sloppy defense. The last 3 times we played against England, they didn't even manage to score one try against us. If anything, we are one of the best defensive efforts in the game.
As for the abundance of tries being scored in this competition, I'm sure we can all agree that the ELV's have more of a hand in the situation than defensive abilities. The Piddly small-mobile forwards comment is just as stupid. We have some of the biggest players in the game, and i very much doubt that any true rugby guru would even put a NH loose forward in a world XV when you look at some of the raw talent we have.
We have the best players in the world. Always have had, and always will have. We have our own unique brand of rugby, always have and always will. If any form of the type of game we play bothers you, then that's your problem. I think that it's fu**ing ridiculous to think that a competition that doesn't involve teams or players from the best 3 sides in the world can be considered a better form of the game, or a better form of competition.
We will play the best that you have to offer next month when the Lions arrive here, and we will beat you, with our own ridiculous defense and piddly small loose forwards.
Dude, FFS, you can't keep churning up crap like this. You think players from here can't take the physicality? Rubbish. We are the hardest hitters in the game. Always have been. Thuggery is individualistic, and James has always been a dirty player. You say we have sloppy defense. The last 3 times we played against England, they didn't even manage to score one try against us. If anything, we are one of the best defensive efforts in the game.
As for the abundance of tries being scored in this competition, I'm sure we can all agree that the ELV's have more of a hand in the situation than defensive abilities. The Piddly small-mobile forwards comment is just as stupid. We have some of the biggest players in the game, and i very much doubt that any true rugby guru would even put a NH loose forward in a world XV when you look at some of the raw talent we have.
We have the best players in the world. Always have had, and always will have. We have our own unique brand of rugby, always have and always will. If any form of the type of game we play bothers you, then that's your problem. I think that it's fu**ing ridiculous to think that a competition that doesn't involve teams or players from the best 3 sides in the world can be considered a better form of the game, or a better form of competition.
We will play the best that you have to offer next month when the Lions arrive here, and we will beat you, with our own ridiculous defense and piddly small loose forwards.
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tommowins
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ May 21 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Alright, almost a fair point... So explain all the Pacific Islanders masquerading as Kiwis, Various African nationals acting as Saffas or anyone acting as Oussies. Without saying "But they've been here since they were 15".
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You can't compare the two. Most of the people who were born in Samoa/Tonga probably moved here before they were 15. And you make it sound as though the NZRU were over there talent scouting... It was likely that there parents moved out to New Zealand or Australia to enjoy a better standard of living. But you never know, I'm just saying that is more probable the parents moved for their own financial reasons rather than being bribed by another country.
NH are filling up their clubs with our players and proclaiming to be the best in the world. That is different to above.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ May 21 2009, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
That will be a glorious day.
Alright, almost a fair point... So explain all the Pacific Islanders masquerading as Kiwis, Various African nationals acting as Saffas or anyone acting as Oussies. Without saying "But they've been here since they were 15".
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You can't compare the two. Most of the people who were born in Samoa/Tonga probably moved here before they were 15. And you make it sound as though the NZRU were over there talent scouting... It was likely that there parents moved out to New Zealand or Australia to enjoy a better standard of living. But you never know, I'm just saying that is more probable the parents moved for their own financial reasons rather than being bribed by another country.
NH are filling up their clubs with our players and proclaiming to be the best in the world. That is different to above.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ May 21 2009, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
That will be a glorious day.
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