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You've missed my point, if dont know whether he would be criminalised because it didnt happen, neither do you know, despite your want for it... but the American people didnt want him criminalised because *checks previous comment* they VIEWED it as weaponisation of the DOJ.

That perception is a combination of Trumps team managing the narrative really well, and Democrats acting irrationally vitriolic, literally calling him Adolph and foaming at the mouth, while borderline weaponising the DOJ... let's be honest.

Was there rising nationalism in 2015, arguably but it was negligible, also there was 0 propoganda for Trump until then. One MAGA supporter explained that Trump broke thebsystem by exposing the corruption, the will for corruption exposure was rife 2015, and well Trump played on that well.

The entire media class has pumped anti Trump messaging since day 1, even now they lie about little girls crying in sherrif cars as ICE retainment, and still find themselves on the wrong side of public opinion on things like immigration.
And you've missed my point, the correct procedure to determine if someone committed a crime is *checks notes* going through the legal process. It is NOT off the back of a popularity contest. Again do you know the circumstances in which the cases against him were dropped? I've already told you, not a single one was dropped due to lack of evidence or contradictory evidence. Trump WAS and IS a criminal. There is no legal defence for the documents he took for example, which is why that case was thrown out on a literally made up ruling that had nothing to do whatsoever with the case itself. Did you keep track of the defences the Trump team posed? They literally contradicted themselves.

Where was the DoJ weaponised against him?

Where did I say it was propaganda for Trump? It was propaganda against Obama, Clinton and Democrats. Republicans were all too happy to lap up Russian support on that front. Once he was the frontrunner, the propaganda machine went into overdrive. I find it hilarious how you act like somehow the demonisation was only against Trump and act like somehow Democrats weren't on the receiving end for just as long if not longer. FFS man they called Obama the bloody anti-Christ. In one breath you're saying false accusation and name calling don't work and in the very next you are trying to justify how the biggest supplier of false accusations, name calling etc got into the Whitehouse precisely by being different, with that dragging things into the gutter being a central part of it.

Yes for some baffling reason the American people thought a person to oust corruption is a guy well renowned for being involved in fraud, even before he entered office. You keep talking as if the decision was made off some rational basis. Describe the rational reason a person with even a passing knowledge of Trump would believe he would deal with corruption, especially in his 2nd term.
 
What corruption did the orange-utan actually expose?


Trump and Musk Hunt for Corruption, Very Selectively



 
And you've missed my point, the correct procedure to determine if someone committed a crime is *checks notes* going through the legal process. It is NOT off the back of a popularity contest. Again do you know the circumstances in which the cases against him were dropped? I've already told you, not a single one was dropped due to lack of evidence or contradictory evidence. Trump WAS and IS a criminal. There is no legal defence for the documents he took for example, which is why that case was thrown out on a literally made up ruling that had nothing to do whatsoever with the case itself. Did you keep track of the defences the Trump team posed? They literally contradicted themselves.

Where was the DoJ weaponised against him?

Where did I say it was propaganda for Trump? It was propaganda against Obama, Clinton and Democrats. Republicans were all too happy to lap up Russian support on that front. Once he was the frontrunner, the propaganda machine went into overdrive. I find it hilarious how you act like somehow the demonisation was only against Trump and act like somehow Democrats weren't on the receiving end for just as long if not longer. FFS man they called Obama the bloody anti-Christ. In one breath you're saying false accusation and name calling don't work and in the very next you are trying to justify how the biggest supplier of false accusations, name calling etc got into the Whitehouse precisely by being different, with that dragging things into the gutter being a central part of it.

Yes for some baffling reason the American people thought a person to oust corruption is a guy well renowned for being involved in fraud, even before he entered office. You keep talking as if the decision was made off some rational basis. Describe the rational reason a person with even a passing knowledge of Trump would believe he would deal with corruption, especially in his 2nd term.

I cant keep repeating myself, you have to pay attention...

How effective was this strategy against Obama? He won 2 terms at a Canterbury and left office with a massive approval rating, so the same tactics Republicans used against Obama, that didnt work then, democrats now run against Trump, who, has gone from strength to strength.

At what point do strategists think, oh wait, his Parry defence has only made him more popular, why dont we try anthything ******* else than demonising every move he makes as the devil.

You've hit the absolute nail on the head though 'Yes for some baffling reason the American people thought a person to oust corruption is a guy well renowned for being involved in fraud, even before he entered office'

Your baffled, I get it, but here I am giving you reasons for why he is not just in office, but building a movement that might not only last a generation, but infect Europe as well, as we see the evidence of today.

Your just refusing to accept, that infact, the strategy to indoctrinate, a bit like Alrums do to you all with his constant drip feed of anti Trump articles, has convinced you so whole heartedly that hes the devil, that there cant be any humanity in those that follow him, and im telling you, you are the same as them, because they think the same about you!

I know it hurts, but your just a pawn in this left vs right, blue vs red charade that is democracy.
 
I cant keep repeating myself, you have to pay attention...

How effective was this strategy against Obama? He won 2 terms at a Canterbury and left office with a massive approval rating, so the same tactics Republicans used against Obama, that didnt work then, democrats now run against Trump, who, has gone from strength to strength.

At what point do strategists think, oh wait, his Parry defence has only made him more popular, why dont we try anthything ******* else than demonising every move he makes as the devil.

You've hit the absolute nail on the head though 'Yes for some baffling reason the American people thought a person to oust corruption is a guy well renowned for being involved in fraud, even before he entered office'

Your baffled, I get it, but here I am giving you reasons for why he is not just in office, but building a movement that might not only last a generation, but infect Europe as well, as we see the evidence of today.

Your just refusing to accept, that infact, the strategy to indoctrinate, a bit like Alrums do to you all with his constant drip feed of anti Trump articles, has convinced you so whole heartedly that hes the devil, that there cant be any humanity in those that follow him, and im telling you, you are the same as them, because they think the same about you!

I know it hurts, but your just a pawn in this left vs right, blue vs red charade that is democracy.
I am paying attention, it's you who isn't. I'm saying you are wrong because of your habit of looking at 2 situations with only a passing similarity and acting like they are identical, they aren't. This is the faulty logical you keep repeating over and over. You are acting like what Obama faced and what Trump faced / faces are the same, they aren't. You also ignored where I said it didn't work against Obama personally but it worked extremely well against the Democrats, I notice you went quiet when I pointed out Republicans had some of their most successful elections in the best part of a century during the time period you claim their strategy "didn't work". You seem to want to completely ignore this. In fact the Republicans had MORE success when they abandoned any pretence of being reasonable, embraced the Tea Party and then embraced MAGA. You keep ignoring this over and over because you fixate on Obama and nothing else. It clearly did work.

No, you really aren't giving reasons at all. So you act like demonising Trump is a failed tactic, then why isn't Trump demonising everyone also a failed tactic? This second part of the logic you also keep missing. In all the time you criticise certain actions you time and time and time again ignore that Trump is by some distance THE worst culprit for everything you say is a failed tactic. So again, what is your actual reason for Trump being popular? It is definitely not a sense of sympathy for a victim because, let's be honest, sympathy is very low on the MAGA commonly displayed traits. Your sense of the order of events is heavily skewed, Trump was throwing insults and conspiracies right when he was at the back and nobody really paid him much attention. Most of the flak he received was in response to how he acted and after he had got to the front of the race, not before. Hell he was insulting way back in Obama's first term, so stop trying to portray him as a victim. He was not the victim of this gutter politics, he was the agitator.

I know it hurts but you can't both sides everything.
 
I am paying attention, it's you who isn't. I'm saying you are wrong because of your habit of looking at 2 situations with only a passing similarity and acting like they are identical, they aren't. This is the faulty logical you keep repeating over and over. You are acting like what Obama faced and what Trump faced / faces are the same, they aren't. You also ignored where I said it didn't work against Obama personally but it worked extremely well against the Democrats, I notice you went quiet when I pointed out Republicans had some of their most successful elections in the best part of a century during the time period you claim their strategy "didn't work". You seem to want to completely ignore this. In fact the Republicans had MORE success when they abandoned any pretence of being reasonable, embraced the Tea Party and then embraced MAGA. You keep ignoring this over and over because you fixate on Obama and nothing else. It clearly did work.

No, you really aren't giving reasons at all. So you act like demonising Trump is a failed tactic, then why isn't Trump demonising everyone also a failed tactic? This second part of the logic you also keep missing. In all the time you criticise certain actions you time and time and time again ignore that Trump is by some distance THE worst culprit for everything you say is a failed tactic. So again, what is your actual reason for Trump being popular? It is definitely not a sense of sympathy for a victim because, let's be honest, sympathy is very low on the MAGA commonly displayed traits. Your sense of the order of events is heavily skewed, Trump was throwing insults and conspiracies right when he was at the back and nobody really paid him much attention. Most of the flak he received was in response to how he acted and after he had got to the front of the race, not before. Hell he was insulting way back in Obama's first term, so stop trying to portray him as a victim. He was not the victim of this gutter politics, he was the agitator.

I know it hurts but you can't both sides everything.

Mate there are so many inaccuracies in this post, im amazed at your confidence in posting them as fact...

Your roght, the 2 situations of Obama and Trump arent the same, Trump has been negatively reported on more AND reported on more lol. 4500 hours of airtime 62% negative in Trump's first 60 days 2016. 2000 hours at 20% negative 2009. So your right, the media and Democrats are after Trump far more than they were Obama, even if you scale in controversies caused internally.

The tactic not only failed against Obama, it failed against Democrats, and Sanders was head and shoulders in charge of the primaries, and even even after getting Gazumped by Clinto she was heavy heavy favourite to win the election. Trump turned the tide, the Republican strategy had very little effect on 2016, they were as steam rolled as the Dems were, and infact a lot of them didnt get on the train until after the win hahaha.

Trump can do and say whatever he wants, he has deflection armour, created by all those false allegations and accusations. Early in his run 2015 he was being decimated, then the Russian pee gate stories and other falsehoods were leaked spying on his campaign etc, and it humanised him, then he hit the debates like a powerhouse and the rest is history. Without those major false stories, and the faux outrage about him grabbing beautiful women by the pussy who let him, put the Dems into a box in the publics view. People saw the reports of him threatening to SA every woman in the country, then saw the raw footage of him chatting **** about beautiful women throwing themselves at him, and they realised the establishment wasnt honest actors in their criticism. Trump has managed this perception incredibly well, playing into him being anti establishment, even when in power lol. MAGA view his current presidency as winning the culture war, and adults returning to power, and theyre relishing it.

What they will absolutely do, as Democrats did with Obama, is promote further presidential power to get what they want, they'll celebrate it, and when a Democrat they hate wins power and uses that power they will cry, like Dems are now that its all illegal and unprecedented.

By the way calling the Tea party a success is a reach lol, a few over turned mid term senate seats, 5 or so wasnt it? followed by a failed election and then dying out wasnt the grass roots game changer they wanted hahahaha I'll give them that they did lay a foundation, and they would take credit for Trumpism, but im not buying that.
 
It’s good to know that when Trump acts like Trump it’s the Dems fault for reacting so badly it gives Trump easy wins but that logic doesn’t seem to apply the other way, even when it’s a joke.

 
It's good to know that when Trump acts like Trump it's the Dems fault for reacting so badly it gives Trump easy wins but that logic doesn't seem to apply the other way, even when it's a joke.


Just shows how colour blind (red/blue) they are.

If there's one thing extremely tiresome about trump is his child like name calling and insults.

For instance referring to Newsom as Newscum.

Incidentally Newsom is currently climbing the polls for the primaries so it's working!!
 
Just shows how colour blind (red/blue) they are.

If there's one thing extremely tiresome about trump is his child like name calling and insults.

For instance referring to Newsom as Newscum.

Incidentally Newsom is currently climbing the polls for the primaries so it's working!!
Maybe @dirty harry is right and it does work both ways.
 

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