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Mate there are so many inaccuracies in this post, im amazed at your confidence in posting them as fact...

Your roght, the 2 situations of Obama and Trump arent the same, Trump has been negatively reported on more AND reported on more lol. 4500 hours of airtime 62% negative in Trump's first 60 days 2016. 2000 hours at 20% negative 2009. So your right, the media and Democrats are after Trump far more than they were Obama, even if you scale in controversies caused internally.

The tactic not only failed against Obama, it failed against Democrats, and Sanders was head and shoulders in charge of the primaries, and even even after getting Gazumped by Clinto she was heavy heavy favourite to win the election. Trump turned the tide, the Republican strategy had very little effect on 2016, they were as steam rolled as the Dems were, and infact a lot of them didnt get on the train until after the win hahaha.

Trump can do and say whatever he wants, he has deflection armour, created by all those false allegations and accusations. Early in his run 2015 he was being decimated, then the Russian pee gate stories and other falsehoods were leaked spying on his campaign etc, and it humanised him, then he hit the debates like a powerhouse and the rest is history. Without those major false stories, and the faux outrage about him grabbing beautiful women by the pussy who let him, put the Dems into a box in the publics view. People saw the reports of him threatening to SA every woman in the country, then saw the raw footage of him chatting **** about beautiful women throwing themselves at him, and they realised the establishment wasnt honest actors in their criticism. Trump has managed this perception incredibly well, playing into him being anti establishment, even when in power lol. MAGA view his current presidency as winning the culture war, and adults returning to power, and theyre relishing it.

What they will absolutely do, as Democrats did with Obama, is promote further presidential power to get what they want, they'll celebrate it, and when a Democrat they hate wins power and uses that power they will cry, like Dems are now that its all illegal and unprecedented.

By the way calling the Tea party a success is a reach lol, a few over turned mid term senate seats, 5 or so wasnt it? followed by a failed election and then dying out wasnt the grass roots game changer they wanted hahahaha I'll give them that they did lay a foundation, and they would take credit for Trumpism, but im not buying that.
And a lot more of the reporting on Trump is true. In all your arguments, you don't pay any attention whatsoever to negative reporting that is true, only false or exaggerated. Did you ever consider that a large part of Trumps negative reporting is because he as a candidate ran a thoroughly negative campaign based on all out attacks on everyone?

"Trump turned the tide" is pure fiction. You seem to again be wilfully ignoring the fact that, by the end of the Obama era, the tide had swung very much against the Democrats. I've already told you this multiple times but you somehow still have it lodged in your head that Democrats was in the ascendancy and Trump reversed that. Let's look at a breakdown of how seats swung to or from Republicans from 2008:
2008: H:-21, S-8
2010: H:+63, S+6
2012: H:-8, S-2
2014: H:+13, S+9
2016: H-6, S-2 (Trump era)
2018: H-42, S+2
2020: H+13, S-3 (Biden)
2022: H+9, S-1
2024: H-2, S+4 (Trump)

So in 2016 when Trump took over, Republicans LOST seats, having made record gains during the Obama era. There was no big Democrat wave, despite years of Republicans ******* about and all the stupid games that you claim didn't work. They had solidified their position in the legislature long before Trump. You want to dismiss the tea party influence but the rise of the tea party coincides with the 2010 sweep of seats, not "5 or so" as you claim, the rise of Trump doesn't. It seems I'm going to have to say it again, Tea part movement gains ground -> swing of 63 hours seats and 6 senate seats to Republicans -> you dismiss as inconsequential. MAGA takes over -> loss of 48 house seats over 2 elections -> you portray as Trump rescuing the party. It's clearly such bullshit. Considering your tendency to fixate on the end result only, this is a very weird sudden turn in which you completely ignore the outcome, in fact you appear to be fabricating a completely different reality in which the Republican historic gains were just "5 seats or so".

"Trump can do and say whatever he wants, he has deflection armour, created by all those false allegations and accusations"

Yet Trump is constantly creating false allegations and accusations for others and you ignore that. When something is directed it as Trump, you attribute it to his popularity. When Trump is directing it at others, you discount it. Hell, you even suggest Trump's style of doing exactly that is what got him popularity, when in the next breath claiming it is a failed tactic. Do lies and name calling work or not? Also where is the evidence that Republicans or anyone supported Trump out of sympathy? I've heard very little to suggest that. Most Trumpers who support Trump state it is because of the nastier things he openly says that they feel like they've wanted to say for ages. Most supporters tellingly have, at the core of their desire, a want for others to be harmed in some way due to a sense of victimisation or because they feel the world is a zero sum game.

You keep talking about Trump "managing" a perception as if there's a plan behind it and not him simply acting literally exactly as he always does. There is no grand strategy, it's the Blackadder "deny everything Baldrick" level of thinking. Can you point to a level of scheming beyond simply calling everything negative about him fake, everything true amazing or "best thing ever" and childish name calling?
 
...people arent allowed to say Slavery was bad anymore?

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I wonder how he will celebrate My Lai or Iran Air Flight 655 as American victories.

Or the failure of Operation Eagle Claw.

Not to mention, of course, losing wars in Korea, Vietnam, Bay of Pigs and Afghanistan.

And his favourite, defending those airports during the revolutionary war.

Does he intend to wipe history just like Hollywood?
 

Normal service has been resumed, lies, lies and more lies.

Mind you, the headline is brilliant!!
Worth noting that he was so flustered by the European leaders, that he had to take a break to call his boss and receive further instructions half-way through.

But he didn't call in front of the Europeans because "that would have been disrespectful to Putin"!

ETA: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5459136-trump-putin-call-european-leaders/
 
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And a lot more of the reporting on Trump is true. In all your arguments, you don't pay any attention whatsoever to negative reporting that is true, only false or exaggerated. Did you ever consider that a large part of Trumps negative reporting is because he as a candidate ran a thoroughly negative campaign based on all out attacks on everyone?

"Trump turned the tide" is pure fiction. You seem to again be wilfully ignoring the fact that, by the end of the Obama era, the tide had swung very much against the Democrats. I've already told you this multiple times but you somehow still have it lodged in your head that Democrats was in the ascendancy and Trump reversed that. Let's look at a breakdown of how seats swung to or from Republicans from 2008:
2008: H:-21, S-8
2010: H:+63, S+6
2012: H:-8, S-2
2014: H:+13, S+9
2016: H-6, S-2 (Trump era)
2018: H-42, S+2
2020: H+13, S-3 (Biden)
2022: H+9, S-1
2024: H-2, S+4 (Trump)

So in 2016 when Trump took over, Republicans LOST seats, having made record gains during the Obama era. There was no big Democrat wave, despite years of Republicans ******* about and all the stupid games that you claim didn't work. They had solidified their position in the legislature long before Trump. You want to dismiss the tea party influence but the rise of the tea party coincides with the 2010 sweep of seats, not "5 or so" as you claim, the rise of Trump doesn't. It seems I'm going to have to say it again, Tea part movement gains ground -> swing of 63 hours seats and 6 senate seats to Republicans -> you dismiss as inconsequential. MAGA takes over -> loss of 48 house seats over 2 elections -> you portray as Trump rescuing the party. It's clearly such bullshit. Considering your tendency to fixate on the end result only, this is a very weird sudden turn in which you completely ignore the outcome, in fact you appear to be fabricating a completely different reality in which the Republican historic gains were just "5 seats or so".

"Trump can do and say whatever he wants, he has deflection armour, created by all those false allegations and accusations"

Yet Trump is constantly creating false allegations and accusations for others and you ignore that. When something is directed it as Trump, you attribute it to his popularity. When Trump is directing it at others, you discount it. Hell, you even suggest Trump's style of doing exactly that is what got him popularity, when in the next breath claiming it is a failed tactic. Do lies and name calling work or not? Also where is the evidence that Republicans or anyone supported Trump out of sympathy? I've heard very little to suggest that. Most Trumpers who support Trump state it is because of the nastier things he openly says that they feel like they've wanted to say for ages. Most supporters tellingly have, at the core of their desire, a want for others to be harmed in some way due to a sense of victimisation or because they feel the world is a zero sum game.

You keep talking about Trump "managing" a perception as if there's a plan behind it and not him simply acting literally exactly as he always does. There is no grand strategy, it's the Blackadder "deny everything Baldrick" level of thinking. Can you point to a level of scheming beyond simply calling everything negative about him fake, everything true amazing or "best thing ever" and childish name calling?

You know, the more you comment the more telling the confusion and bigotry.

Of course Republicans made gains mid term during obama, he was a wrecking ball that murdered them, there is no way to go from bottom than up. Its similar to Labour winning the election they lost votes from Corbyn era, but couldn't not win lol.

You keep conflating Teump with Republicans, I think thats where your confusion stems, I get it your all baffled by how he won, and wins, but you have to stop trying to win the argument and demonise him, thats all anyone has done since day 1, and exactly my point.


If I walked into a classroom and acknowledged I didnt know calculus, but argues against someone trying to explain it to me to the death, id be a bad learner wouldnt I?

Regarding the Tea party, it was 6 Senate seats not 5. Go and check. They didnt come in and sweep, they were a desperation action off the back of 2009s domination, any action taken in the middle terms would have yielded results, I think you know the mid term trends, but refuse to acknowledge it. The Tea party served a purpose and died out, the last remnants eradicated by Trump. Or do you see the Tea party at work today? Are the Tea party in the room with you?

You act like losing seats and winning an election is a bad thing, Obama was incredibly popular on his leaving, and Democrats were nigh on favourites regardless of candidate 2016, infact media were talking about the end of the Republicans lol. Thays why Dems felt arrogant enough to usurp their candidate to an establishment cronie last minute. They acted throughout the entirety of that election as if they won, with the entirety of the media all in line and step with the Democrat cause. I dont think ive ever seen such alignment previously, even 2009 Obama had more detractors than Clinton did.

You keep comparing Trump as an individual, to the Democrats, and establishment, hes popular because hes real, flawed ****** up, loud, ignorant, wildly patriotic... if ive said it once I'll say it a thousand times, when you travel the US, you cross 100 Trumps before 1 Obama.

I keep hearing the same confused rhetoric from anti right wingers, and its the lefts problem in general. Just because your left (and I dont think many are on this thread) doesnt mean you have to be anti right (god damn I hate those terms).

To make the claim that MAGA voters want to harm others inherently, and that they are nasty and deep down wanted to say bad things Trump says, might be the most virtiolic and scariest thing I've read on this website, you've been convinced to dehumanise your opposition so much you believe the vitriolic claims made against them, by people who dont believe it, who just say it to divide and win votes.

You sir are what people call an ideologue, the perfect outcome ofwhat both sides of the isle want.

Have you ever asked yourself, why some posters drip feeds anti Right / Trump articles from the same biased sources to this website daily, throughout the day, night, and mid discussion a lot of the time? Is he purposefully feeding these threads echo chamber nutrition, do you believe being drip fed Huffpost, daily beast and anti MAGA has shaped your view, or is it the real world experience of conversing and living among them?
 
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