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[dirty harry]

You're saying they're all the same in that they're all bad. Bad because they're politicians.

They're all in the same club, playing the same game, the same grift.

They're not bad because theyre politicians, theyre bad be cause they dont uphold the NOLAN principles.

But let's find a great politician, pick one.

 

[Which Tyler]

Oh look, an election denier has been appointed to oversea the election

She Pushed to Overturn Trump’s Loss in the 2020 Election. Now She’ll Help Oversee U.S. Election Security.

Heather Honey has been appointed to a senior position in the Department of Homeland Security. State election officials and voting experts are concerned.

www.propublica.org

 

[Welsh Exile]

They're not bad because theyre politicians, theyre bad be cause they dont uphold the NOLAN principles.

But let's find a great politician, pick one.

Do you uphold the NOLAN principles?

 

[dirty harry]

Do you uphold the NOLAN principles?

Im not in public life/view, but yea 100%

6 times now I've asked for a specific politician. You disagree theyre all bad, but I think you know how poorly they would score 1 by 1...

 

[Welsh Exile]

Im not in public life/view, but yea 100%

6 times now I've asked for a specific politician. You disagree theyre all bad, but I think you know how poorly they would score 1 by 1...

I’m not answering because it’s a silly game you’re playing. I name a person and you find an instance of them being dishonest or not transparent and you win.

Have you never told a lie, never kept a secret, never being wholly objective about something? I find that hard to believe.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/29/politics/fact-check-trump-ukraine-inflation

It's just ridiculous the extent, frequency and utter stupidity of many of the lies he tells.

 

[Seeker]

Maybe Rex Tillerson Was Right. Maybe Trump Really Is Just A Moron.

His lying and temper tantrums aside, evidence abounds that the president's most important, and dangerous, feature is his ignorance.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Tillerson was right, no doubt about it.

 

[AlRums]

Oh look, an election denier has been appointed to oversea the election

She Pushed to Overturn Trump’s Loss in the 2020 Election. Now She’ll Help Oversee U.S. Election Security.

Heather Honey has been appointed to a senior position in the Department of Homeland Security. State election officials and voting experts are concerned.

www.propublica.org

I remember this woman, she was the originator of the 200,000 more votes than voters in Pennsylvania.

Here's an interesting article about how useless she is at analysis

Heather Honey’s research has made her a right-wing election expert. Her findings are deeply flawed.

Heather Honey, an election integrity researcher from Pennsylvania, has had her work cited by prominent figures on the right, including Donald Trump. But a Votebeat and Spotlight PA review has found serious problems.

www.votebeat.org

It's like putting a fox in charge of the henhouse

Has the orange-utan written all over it.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Maybe Rex Tillerson Was Right. Maybe Trump Really Is Just A Moron.

His lying and temper tantrums aside, evidence abounds that the president's most important, and dangerous, feature is his ignorance.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

Just don't understand how someone can look at the sheer volume of moronic stuff he does and those closest to him have said he does and not think he's a moron.

 

[AlRums]

Gaza postwar plan envisions ‘voluntary’ relocation of entire population

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/08/31/trump-gaza-plan-riviera-relocation/

 

[dirty harry]

I'm not answering because it's a silly game you're playing. I name a person and you find an instance of them being dishonest or not transparent and you win.

Have you never told a lie, never kept a secret, never being wholly objective about something? I find that hard to believe.

Of course i have, we all have...

But you understand, this puts you in my camp. There is no politician that can stand up to the smallest amount of scrutiny, and most of their behaviours, even after getting into office, knowing they will be watched at every turn, is anything other than self serving.

So my stance isnt simplistic, its consensus.

 

[dirty harry]

I remember this woman, she was the originator of the 200,000 more votes than voters in Pennsylvania.

Here's an interesting article about how useless she is at analysis

Heather Honey’s research has made her a right-wing election expert. Her findings are deeply flawed.

Heather Honey, an election integrity researcher from Pennsylvania, has had her work cited by prominent figures on the right, including Donald Trump. But a Votebeat and Spotlight PA review has found serious problems.

www.votebeat.org

It's like putting a fox in charge of the henhouse

Has the orange-utan written all over it.

The originator?

Wasn't she a lowly researcher who's conclusions were dismissed as based on flawed methodology?

 

[Welsh Exile]

The originator?

Wasn't she a lowly researcher who's conclusions were dismissed as based on flawed methodology?

All that matters is that she passed Trumps purity test. She says the 2020 election was rigged. Good answer lady, you’re in.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Of course i have, we all have...

But you understand, this puts you in my camp. There is no politician that can stand up to the smallest amount of scrutiny, and most of their behaviours, even after getting into office, knowing they will be watched at every turn, is anything other than self serving.

So my stance isnt simplistic, it’s consensus.

So you do hate all humans as no human can really be perfect and uphold the NOLAN principles at all times, you admit yourself you could not.

Yes, it's extremely simplistic which is why I said it's a child like take.

 

[dirty harry]

All that matters is that she passed Trumps purity test. She says the 2020 election was rigged. Good answer lady, you're in.

I mean she didnt just say it did she, I dont know a lot about her, and I might be wrong, but she researched and created some stats about voter registration and voter vote collation numbers and found discrepancies.

She was debunked as using a static model instead of fluid, which turned the numbers from more voters than registrated, to one of the highest turn outs of all time?

Again maybe im wrong, i havnt done much reading, just 2 articles from dodgy sources (no not as bad as the huffpost lol), so id happily be corrected.

 

[dirty harry]

So you do hate all humans as no human can really be perfect and uphold the NOLAN principles at all times, you admit yourself you could not.

Yes, it's extremely simplistic which is why I said it's a child like take.

The NOLAN principles dont apply to everyone though, they are specific to public life.

So its a child's take you agree with?

 

[Welsh Exile]

The NOLAN principles dont apply to everyone though, they are specific to public life.

So its a child's take you agree with?

Do you think there is something inherent about people that become politicians that make them incapable of upholding the NOLAN principles or do you think, as you admitted yourself, that most people would fail to uphold all of these principles at all times due to human nature?

 

[dirty harry]

Do you think there is something inherent about people that become politicians that make them incapable of upholding the NOLAN principles or do you think, as you admitted yourself, that most people would fail to uphold all of these principles at all times due to human nature?

I think most people would struggle, but there are plenty who going in to office would strive to uphold these principles, those who choose and desire this type of public life are not those people!!!

Just look at those who are radicalised into gaining power, men's rights activists, feminists, minorities... they all want to make change on behalf of their tiny little communities.

Look at Humza Yousef we discussed previously, telling the Pakistani community they carried the country during covid, and imploring them to not only get into politics, but in to the corridors of power in large numbers to make effective change. Is this conducive to an inclusive, and productive Scottish society?

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think most people would struggle, but there are plenty who going in to office would strive to uphold these principles, those who choose and desire this type of public life are not those people!!!

Just look at those who are radicalised into gaining power, men's rights activists, feminists, minorities... they all want to make change on behalf of their tiny little communities.

Look at Humza Yousef we discussed previously, telling the Pakistani community they carried the country during covid, and imploring them to not only get into politics, but in to the corridors of power in large numbers to make effective change. Is this conducive to an inclusive, and productive Scottish society?

Do you think good people can have good intentions but can also do bad things?

 

[dirty harry]

Do you think good people can have good intentions but can also do bad things?

You know what they say about the road to hell...

I think that argument could be made about the right and left of the spectrum currently.

Good example is Womens aid, they absolutely try to help, but they leave a trail of destruction in their wake!