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A Political Thread pt. 2

Having a family member abused very recently, by multiple men, this hits close to home and something that is literally making me shake with anger at the moment. She hasn’t reported it and while I tried to convince her to (and still think she should) report it I always understood why she didn’t want to, I mean, what’s the point when you have this kind of culture in the police. ******* scum. Anyone partaking in that kind of talk is sick in the head, I don’t care if you’re in a rugby club or in the police (worse being police obviously as they’re meant to protect us)
 

So Johnson, in claiming Starmer failed to prosecute Saville, not only went for an absolutely pathetic gutter level attack, he also stated something that was outright false. Lying in the Commons, that's a paddling. He should be forced to either correct the record or have the record show he misled the house AGAIN.

Seriously Tory voters, you're happen this degenerate, pathetic Eton bully boy is what you voted for!? I'd personally be feeling ashamed and stupid if I put this disgusting **** in power. Where is the bottom? At what point does a basic desire to preserve what little modicum of decency is left in the Tory party override pathetic partisanship, or is there really no bottom to how far you will watch the party sink and still put a cross next to them come election time?
 
So why does the speaker kick out someone for calling a liar a liar, but won't actually kick out the liar for lying?

Bercow wouldn't have stood for it. Hoyle is a walkover and not fit for the job.
 
So why does the speaker kick out someone for calling a liar a liar, but won't actually kick out the liar for lying?

Bercow wouldn't have stood for it. Hoyle is a walkover and not fit for the job.

Because it's deemed as unparliamentary language to call someone a liar, even when they are proven to be one..

Sad but true
 
Because it's deemed as unparliamentary language to call someone a liar, even when they are proven to be one..

Sad but true
Basically one of those ridiculous old traditions that make up our failing democracy. As Amiga said, it's worse to call someone a liar in parliament than to actually lie.
 
Because it's deemed as unparliamentary language to call someone a liar, even when they are proven to be one..

Sad but true
It's deemed to be a resignable offense to mislead Parliament intentionally. What ridiculous system makes it against the rules to point out someone is breaking the rules?
 
Having a family member abused very recently, by multiple men, this hits close to home and something that is literally making me shake with anger at the moment. She hasn’t reported it and while I tried to convince her to (and still think she should) report it I always understood why she didn’t want to, I mean, what’s the point when you have this kind of culture in the police. ******* scum. Anyone partaking in that kind of talk is sick in the head, I don’t care if you’re in a rugby club or in the police (worse being police obviously as they’re meant to protect us)
100% agree and very sorry to hear about your family member.

The Met is taking a bit of a kicking at the moment. Awful behaviour like this is damaging and obviously must be rooted out. Dick was also a poor choice as Commissioner imo.

But there are over 30,000 officers in the Met. As with any cohort of that size there will be rotten apples and their behaviour makes sickening headlines. While calling that out we also shouldn’t overlook that the vast, vast majority of those officers are committed and doing the best they can, often in incredibly difficult circumstances.
 
100% agree and very sorry to hear about your family member.

The Met is taking a bit of a kicking at the moment. Awful behaviour like this is damaging and obviously must be rooted out. Dick was also a poor choice as Commissioner imo.

But there are over 30,000 officers in the Met. As with any cohort of that size there will be rotten apples and their behaviour makes sickening headlines. While calling that out we also shouldn’t overlook that the vast, vast majority of those officers are committed and doing the best they can, often in incredibly difficult circumstances.
Thanks for your kind words. It’s true that this is not the case with all police (not even a majority) but I don’t go along with the “a few bad apples” line i’m afraid.

For sure, there’s degrees to which people engage in this kind of talk/behaviour but I think there is certainly a culture issue within the police that needs sorting out. I think this because there is a problem in society in general so of course it’s going to exist in the police force, in fact it will be more prevalent in macho male dominated professions like the police,military, sporting professions dominated by men etc etc.

Even at the “harmless” end of the spectrum of builders wolf whistling women I think just feeds into this on a societal level. Obviously I’m not saying wolf whistling is as bad as say some of the texts and stuff uncovered in the police report but it’s the same type of ****. It objectifies women as sexual objects, it’s intimidating and it’s pathetic.
 
Unfortunately the make up of the police not just the met also reflects our society IMO despite the few rotten apples ruining for the vast majority. My personal experience is to stay well away from having to deal with the police if I can help it.

Where I have had dealing with them - one racist assuming I couldn’t speak English because I kept quiet and another from my own ethnic. community who was riot police who joined in his words in “order thump cnuts”.

Also failing to breathalyse the driver who crashed into my sister’s car, who subsequently lied and blamed the crash on my sister.

They were also limited when it came to my parents house getting burgled.
 
Michael Gove - Secretary of State for levelling up. What a BS ***le!
Laughable but I do agree with the idea of more mayors and delegating regional funding, if that's what they actually do. Having mayors but with central government holding the pursue strings is little more than a way of deflecting failures. Block grants to regions to spend how they see fit with government focusing more on grander, national scale spending is the way to go IMO.

Gove shouldn't be anywhere near government. these incompetents cling on worse than a dry turd.
 
Laughable but I do agree with the idea of more mayors and delegating regional funding, if that's what they actually do. Having mayors but with central government holding the pursue strings is little more than a way of deflecting failures. Block grants to regions to spend how they see fit with government focusing more on grander, national scale spending is the way to go IMO.

Gove shouldn't be anywhere near government. these incompetents cling on worse than a dry turd.
The problem is the way funding gets moved around is inherently political and we already know this government (and previous) make sure funding goes to targeted areas for political support rather than those who need it. This problem doesn't disappear with mayors but neither is it increased but it does give avenues of attack I belive both Burgeon and Khan were attacked by the PM today in PMQ's. Sometimes they are attacked for things they have no control of as it is not devolved matter.

I think mayors tend to be a political smokescreen rather than of substantive use. Town Councils have next to no power these days and most of that has gone up to county level. So it all creates problems as people don't actually know whos in charge of what and who to actually complain to.


I'm all up for devolved governement with local people making local decisions buts the current method is a complete mess this will only further add to it.
 
Unfortunately the make up of the police not just the met also reflects our society IMO despite the few rotten apples ruining for the vast majority. My personal experience is to stay well away from having to deal with the police if I can help it.

Where I have had dealing with them - one racist assuming I couldn’t speak English because I kept quiet and another from my own ethnic. community who was riot police who joined in his words in “order thump cnuts”.

Also failing to breathalyse the driver who crashed into my sister’s car, who subsequently lied and blamed the crash on my sister.

They were also limited when it came to my parents house getting burgled.
The reality is that all of this reflects on our society. Despite how embarrassing it is, how many people actually do enjoy the insults, jeering and school yard politics that's seen in the house of commons. I'd say many people. Look at football and the embarrassing scenes that will still regularly see there. NHS doctors regularly encountering racism (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60208523).

These are just a few of the issues we face. Culturally the reality is we are not as...for want of a better term, civilised as we like to pretend. The UK has spent years trying to portray itself as the beacon of civilisation by rewriting and ignoring it's own history. We've invaded almost every country on the planet, we created an empire that decimated indigenous populations and has lead to hundreds of years of poverty in those countries. We created famines, got Chinese people addicted to opium to win a trade war over tea and even created the first concentration camps in the Boer war. We literally invented football hooliganism and it's still seen as a badge of honour.

There are many reasons for all of this, but one of the biggest ones for me is that if there are other countries worse than us, we seem to then consider ourselves good. Yes there are far worse places to live and Britain by comparison to other countries is a very safe and nice place to live. That certainly doesn't mean it's the best or even good and it definitely doesn't mean that people should stop trying to make the country better. However, too many people are afraid of change and aren't willing to do what's needed. This leads to my second point which is that we are a society (amongst others) that puts too my emphasis on individual rights, liberty and freedom. Don't get me wrong these are all wonderful things and are important. However, when an individual's rights and freedoms is more important than societies then there is a problem. One person should not be more important than the group in most aspects of life (not everything). Another issue with this is the idea that people's rights and what they deserve are the most important thing. I many other cultures it is not about what you have a right to, but what responsibilities and obligations you have. You are part of a system that has been growing for centuries, you aren't entitled to anything (again ignore basic human rights). Rather than doing what is best for everyone we are only concerned about what is best for us and individuals or our immediate family. Simply we view the world through our own tiny view point and don't take the time to learn about issues and see them from different points of view. This is another issue, education in this country is not as good as people think it is. Again yes there is worse in the world, but our system is designed to train people to follow instructions. We don't give people the skills they need to become independent learners and thinkers. It's why so many believe conspiracy theories or what ever the Daily Mail tells them, because they cannot think objectively for themselves, they don't have the tool or skills.

There are other issues as well, I have started to realise just how many T.V shows and films portray criminals as heroes or antiheroes against the establishment. Obviously crime is not simple, but too often it is glamorised by the media and gives people the wrong impression. Social media also has a huge amount to answer for.

My point is that when people try to dismiss these incidents as isolated or one off, they are lying or fooling themselves. Yes many people are not like that, but far too many people in this country are like that. Sexism, racism, homophobia etc... disguised as banter. As a society we have to think about what we value most and unfortunately it's not the right things in most cases. Look at doctors and nurses during the pandemic. They literally risked their lives and in France they got a significant pay rise. Here, we clapped. Why are more people not out campaigning for a better wage for doctors and nurses? How about those who worked in supermarkets and public transport etc... the key workers who were actually needed. The reality is it costs money (like this levelling up needs if it is to actually have an impact), but as a society we are too focused on our own wealth and needs. We ignore the fact that with some proper investment and regulations our society could be fairer or more equal. However, it might mean that we personally are slightly worse off and we are not willing to give up a little to make others' lives better.

Finally I will acknowledge that this is very general and not reflective of everyone.
 

DUP minister Edwin Poots has ordered his officials to halt Irish Sea border checks from midnight.
He had been threatening to act, as part of the DUP's ongoing opposition to the Northern Ireland Protocol.
Mr Poots said he had taken legal advice which meant he could direct the checks to stop in the absence of executive approval for them.

The UK can thank the DUP for any EU retaliation...
 



The UK can thank the DUP for any EU retaliation...
So once again we are going to renege on the deal and blame the EU after... This is beyond a joke. How are we going to be trusted internationally when we show how willing we are to unilaterally abandon deals within months of signing them and touting them as fantastic?
 
Michael Gove - Secretary of State for levelling up. What a BS ***le!
Just saw a quote, "London elites "haven't really understood all of the problems" faced by people in Grimsby and Cleethorpes." says the privately educated guy who represents a wealthy rural community just outside London and is a stones throw away from Sandhurst, Windsor, Ascot and Eton. Yep, he really gets it.
 

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