A Political Thread pt. 2

[Gavin]

Reform UK's George Finch, 19, becomes Warwickshire council leader

The teenager was voted in as leader following a tie with Liberal Democrat nominee Jerry Roodhouse.

www.bbc.co.uk

Warwickshire County Council has formally appointed a teenager to run the £2bn local authority.

I mean it's an incredible achievement for the fella, but holy smoke it feels utterly crazy.

I thought all the Reform supporters felt that younger people shouldn't even be allowed to vote because they haven't got life experience.

 

[ncurd]

In a stroke of pure luck in my guesstimates

One third of Britons 'admit being racially prejudiced'

Nearly a third of people in Britain admit being racially prejudiced, research suggests.

www.bbc.com

 

[Welsh Exile]

I don’t think Trump is racist, not in the way I define it anyway. Fascistic tendencies most definitely but you can, in theory, be fascist without being racist even though they obviously overlap a lot.

 

[ncurd]

I don't think Trump is racist, not in the way I define it anyway. Fascistic tendencies most definitely but you can, in theory, be fascist without being racist even though they obviously overlap a lot.

I think theres plenty of former staff that have claimed it. Plus you need to look at his days when he worked his father's tenant blocks.

Roy Cohn his mentor was also a massive racist.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think theres plenty of former staff that have claimed it. Plus you need to look at his days when he worked his father's tenant blocks.

Roy Cohn his mentor was also a massive racist.

Yeah, I wouldn’t rule it out. I just don’t think he believes in the superiority of the “white race” whatever the **** that is.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Sorry but the term racist IS being diluted, along with many other "ists" because if how readily that accusation is thrown around for the tiniest things, many of which are not racist.

At uni I got accused of racism for not rating Mardland Yarde, despite my opposition having nothing whatsoever to do with his race. My actual reasons were thrown aside in to allow righteous outrage over a fictional scenario in which a white male didn't rate a black player and the only possible reason could be racism.

I also got accused of sexism for arguing engineering and engineers aren't inherently sexist. I was even a volunteer for an initiative specifically to get more girls interested in engineering. Again, did nothing to counter the righteous fury at the fictional scenario that had been fabricated by the person I was speaking to.

You have experienced first hand some of the worst parts of racism, I've experienced first hand the opposite of being accused of racism and sexism for no reason.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I’ve never been called a racist before but my wife calls me a **** every day.

 

[BrokenWing]

Uk government to name and shame people selling small boats.

Good job Bullseye isn’t a thing anymore.

 

[ncurd]

Sorry but the term racist IS being diluted, along with many other "ists" because if how readily that accusation is thrown around for the tiniest things, many of which are not racist.

At uni I got accused of racism for not rating Mardland Yarde, despite my opposition having nothing whatsoever to do with his race. My actual reasons were thrown aside in to allow righteous outrage over a fictional scenario in which a white male didn't rate a black player and the only possible reason could be racism.

I also got accused of sexism for arguing engineering and engineers aren't inherently sexist. I was even a volunteer for an initiative specifically to get more girls interested in engineering. Again, did nothing to counter the righteous fury at the fictional scenario that had been fabricated by the person I was speaking to.

You have experienced first hand some of the worst parts of racism, I've experienced first hand the opposite of being accused of racism and sexism for no reason.

I think there is some nonsense that goes on in left wing circles. I've been called sexist and a mansplainer when in reality its my likely ADHD/Autism brain triggering my need to explain to anyone. But I do think those minor issues of mislabeling are not anywhere near as prevalent as prejudices in the first place.

But I also know you have better experience than mine of it.

I do think your wrong about engineering. I've seen the sexism first hand its a problem. A problem that's mainly fixed by getting women in the workplace. But being wrong doesn't make you sexist. However in working class jobs its nowhere near as close.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think there is some nonsense that goes on in left wing circles. I've been called sexist and a mansplainer when in reality its my likely ADHD/Autism brain triggering my need to explain to anyone. But I do think those minor issues of mislabeling are not anywhere near as prevalent as prejudices in the first place.

But I also know you have better experience than mine of it.

I do think your wrong about engineering. I've seen the sexism first hand its a problem. A problem that's mainly fixed by getting women in the workplace. But being wrong doesn't make you sexist. However in working class jobs its nowhere near as close.

The issue is when people use the terms racist and sexist so freely, those who are actually racist and sexist are less ashamed by the accusation, as they can just portray themselves as wrongfully accused.

Engineering really isn't sexist, I've been in the industry for 9 years and studied it at uni, it was nothing but initiatives to get girls / women involved.

 

[Saintjay]

Last year a colleague got called sexist by a female manager after saying he didn't like his wife walking home alone at night.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think what the left has done, with good intentions to be fair (for the most part) over the years is broaden definitions of things like racism, sexism and other stuff to expose more hidden forms of inequality which sounds like a good thing (and it can be a lot of the time) but the flip side of that is other people can broaden these so much that they're not really in keeping with what the term originally meant and the vagueness of these new broad terms leave people open to being accused of things they're not which creates division.

 

[ncurd]

Last year a colleague got called sexist by a female manager after saying he didn't like his wife walking home alone at night.

Some people are stupid....as noted 50% of population are of below average intelligence.

 

[ncurd]

I think what the left has done, with good intentions to be fair (for the most part) over the years is broaden definitions of things like racism, sexism and other stuff to expose more hidden forms of inequality which sounds like a good thing (and it can be a lot of the time) but the flip side of that is other people can broaden these so much that they're not really in keeping with what the term originally meant and the vagueness of these new broad terms leave people open to being accused of things they're not which creates division.

I think the issue is one of language when views, word and actions can actually be harmful. People dont actually like being confronted their views are that way. And it is bloody hard even if you use diffrent words to confront someone you are still "attacking" them and they are immediately on the "defensive".

Im the least likely person to have answers to this.

 

[McTallshort]

Engineering and Engineers are not sexist but if some bird comes on site I hope she can make a decent cuppa

 

[odw26]

Wait people post racist ****, they admit to being racist and your accusing people for allowing it of "dilution" of term?

You’ve clearly missed the point being made there. One of the reasons examples like the above are becoming more accepted is because if the definition of “racism” is lowered to include situations which should not be considered “racist” then when something with genuine racist intentions is brought up, it no longer gets the reaction it warrants because people are so used to the term being used with such loose conjecture.

But that's not what this about is it? Its fact I suggested someone with your views on immigration might be racist. And you didnt like being tarred with brush of those people did you? Despite the fact I'm assuming your not racist. So much for dillution.

This is exactly why I said you have come across as someone who is incapable of having a genuine discussion on issues such as this. I made it clear that I had no idea what your sister in law had said, and that it may well be abhorrent. I said that, as someone who knows your family well, I have no issue with removing them from your life as much as you could. That seems like a valid and informed decision based on what you have said.

How you believe you have the right, or that you’re knowledgeable enough, to align my views, which you have no idea about, to someone whose perspective I have no idea about but whom you describe as racist is disgusting. “Despite the fact I’m assuming your not racist” is a cowardice line to include when you have already made the assumption that my views are racist.

If you do not understand why I find it so disgusting that you have tried to liken me to a racist, then that only proves the term is meaningless to you.

 

[ncurd]

.snip

I've been pretty clear in both my initial language and since in saying most instead of all. Infact Ive been at great pains not to slap all people with the same brush. You have chosen to assume I meant all and taken great offence.

I dont think there is much point in engaging further.

 

[odw26]

I've been pretty clear in both my initial language and since in saying most instead of all. Infact Ive been at great pains not to slap all people with the same brush. You have chosen to assume I meant all and taken great offence.

I dont think there is much point in engaging further.

I would like to you explain exactly why you believe you can imply that I am racist based on anything that I have said.
The fact that you believe you can make that implication without any understanding of my views and then walk away without justifying yourself is horrendous and speaks volumes about you as a person. Own what you said about me and back it up without creating a strawman. If you believe you can make that accusation without evidence then that only proves how diluted the term is to you.

 

[ncurd]

I would like to you explain exactly why you believe you can imply that I am racist based on anything that I have said.
The fact that you believe you can make that implication without any understanding of my views and then walk away without justifying yourself is horrendous and speaks volumes about you as a person. Own what you said about me and back it up without creating a strawman. If you believe you can make that accusation without evidence then that only proves how diluted the term is to you.

Again I did not call or imply your were racist. Infact I very specifically havent called you anything. I did not quote post you originally or anything of the such.

infact I said something about my sister in law and my view of people who take view like hers and jumped on me. That was without having specifics at all to the conversation I had with her.

So please point out where I attacked you?

 

[odw26]

Again I did not call or imply your were racist. Infact I very specifically havent called you anything. I did not quote post you originally or anything of the such.

You are very clearly here trying to imply that my views are racist, despite having no idea what my views on immigration are:

Its fact I suggested someone with your views on immigration might be racist. And you didnt like being tarred with brush of those people did you?

Do not try to hide behind the words “might be” or “not specifically” calling me a racist because the implication there is obvious and those comments are snide and unwarranted.

In terms of your sister in law, I quite clearly stated that you are best placed to make assumptions about her but blanketing “most” people who are anti immigration as racist is diluting the phrase and is detrimental to calling out genuine acts of racism. That ISN’T discrediting your opinion of her or your family and I was clearly respectful of your right to make that decision about them.

I really hope you understand why this interaction is proving the very points raised earlier that throwing around the terms “racist” without reasoning and evidence removed the possibility of having any genuine discussions about these serious and nuanced topics.