[2014 TRC] Argentina v South Africa in Salta (23/08/2014)

[Tony Manx]

because the working class are football fans and the working class hare rugby

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Same as UK but surely the Brits would not support the opposition against the English rugby team?

 

[LittleGuy]

Argggghhhhh so sick of these close but no cigar Pumas games, very exciting contest though one of my favourite games of the year.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Aaaaah, terrible pass straight in to touch.


So close yet so far for Argentina.
Hope they've not peaked too early - Australia won't fancy the trip over there!

 

[marianodan]

***** Hernandez

 

[Jaguares]

I really feel for Conrad ATM his heart must be going like crazy.

Now I have to endure the taunts of football supporters who are happy with the SA's victory

 

[London_Italian]

How sad

 

[Bluemoon]

Really disappointing last phase. Scrum wheeled by SA, ball comes out and Arg miss pass into touch!!!

Argentina had their chances today. Hurt by the poor conversion of kicking and a few avoidable defensive lapses.

 

[goodNumber10]

JDP came back on, but i thought SA had used all their Substitutions... if so then should surely have had to play with 14 men.

 

[Tony Manx]

***** Hernandez

Always thought that........................sorry Conrad!

Your day will come when you have your great grand children sitting on your knee!!

 

[marianodan]

I swear, at this point I'd rather suffer a 50 point hammering than this...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I swear, at this point I'd rather suffer a 50 point hammering than this...

No you wouldn't

Cracking post match interview this.

 

[Jaguares]

For a simple Manxmen can you explain why any Argentinian would support any country against their own in any sport?

Read the first message, please. Then the conversation was distorted in personal attacks, but the first message is important:

http://www.therugbyforum.com/threads/32906-In-Argentina-The-working-class-hates-Rugby

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Same as UK but surely the Brits would not support the opposition against the English rugby team?

Here the differences in social classes are bigger than in Europe, because we are a third world country. So the hatred is greater.

 

[marianodan]

BTW where are now all those users who thought Pumas were only competitive last week because of the rain??

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

BTW where are now all those users who thought Pumas were only competitive last week because of the rain??

This week the sun gave them a unfair advantage south Africans aren't use to playing in sun and heat like that.

 

[Patchey]

Sounds like a great, but heartbreaking game for Argentin. Can't wait to catch up tomorrow.

This week the sun gave them a unfair advantage south Africans aren't use to playing in sun and heat like that.

Don't you hate it when the sun does that?

 

[dasNdanger]

I has a sad. I really wanted the Pumas to win. Sooooo close!

Also a bit disappointed that the commentator feed (for me) was in Spanish.


das

 

[Big Ewis]

Argggghhhhh so sick of these close but no cigar Pumas games, very exciting contest though one of my favourite games of the year.

my cousin was visiting tonight (finally somebody who likes Rugby in real life for me !) and we were both fully behind Argentina. When Argentina had their biggest lead at 28-16 I believe, we both joked that the Boks would of course have to win by 2 points at the end. We literally agreed by two points. the whole match from then on, we kept cracking jokes about this happening, and unbelievably, it happened. Argentinians must be absolutely...well, it must be somewhat comedic at this point. It's just surreal.
Too much to say about the match, but the Pumas are *fkng incredible*. They've got balls this big. And well done South Africa coming all the way back, as inevitable as it felt they still had to go and do it in a hostile environment. Clever wheeling of the scrum at the end to avoid the certain Pumas scrum dominance and penalty...

Pumas played with great intent and tried such gutsy plays, put beautiful movements together. I really do love this Pumas side, no way they should be able to do this against the second best in the world, given both sides on paper. No way. Highest respect.

As for the match itself, what can I say, 60+ points scored and suspense til the end. Another classic. Conrad you said earlier today you preferred the 6N, well eat your heart out. Your boys put on a fkng vintage show. I'd rather be Argentinian today than French, Rugby-wise, with guys who play with more heart than you'd think ever possible for 80 minutes with little to work with on paper, than possibly the deepest nation in the world that can't find a way to play half as well as they should.

 

[Bean]

Pumas really deserve some wins now. Sad to see them come so close and lose.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

JDP came back on, but i thought SA had used all their Substitutions... if so then should surely have had to play with 14 men.

Even if that were the rule, which it is not, I think Argentina would have preferred JDP to rather come on! I think any South African would have been glad for uncontested scrums.

On my phone now so not going to post anything overly lengthy right now other than that I would not have cried to see a full value Pumas win. Hope they can bring the same sort of passion against the others! It'll happen sooner rather than later. Some soul searching to be done by us but I am happy just for the win : Argentina really brought the game to us and I thought we did really well to hang on and were lucky they missed a few at goal.

 

[marianodan]

I really think some kicks should have been taken by Bosch and not Sánchez. He lacks the necessary leg power for +40m kicks.

 

[Jaguares]

These Springboks can't beat to the ABs, it's impossible. I still think Australia is better than SA. Today they were dominated by the Pumas, there are no excuses to climate. Today the weather was perfect, I seriously think that Wallabies and England are a step up from South Africa.

Two games in a row they were dominated by the Pumas, in rain and in dry weather. Also they were dominated by Wales in the second test in June. These Boks aren't invincible, Argentina and Wales simply don't have top class backs like Israel Folau or Ben Smith, who can make a difference. Aussies and Kiwis have top class backs, SA is in trouble.

 

[austingtir]

Is there a tube replay of this game somewhere? Not asking anyone to post a link just cant find one?

 

[austingtir]

I seriously think that Wallabies and England are a step up from South Africa.

Man you aussies are unbelievable how about you wait until your lot play these guys (arg and SA) and then tell us the wallabies are better Southafrica.

And your dreaming if you think England is better than SA. At home next year they might have an edge but I doubt it by that stage I think SA has more improving than them to do.

 

[LittleGuy]

Man you aussies are unbelievable how about you wait until your lot play these guys (arg and SA) and then tell us the wallabies are better Southafrica.

And your dreaming if you think England is better than SA. At home next year they might have an edge but I doubt it by that stage I think SA has more improving than them to do.

Conrad isn't an Ozzie, he's an Argentine.

 

[Jaguares]

Conrad isn't an Ozzie, he's an Argentine.

Yeah and I saw the game on live (ARG vs SA). @austingtir didn't see the game :lol: Then I saw the last SA's performance and I can say that Aussies are better than them.

 

[austingtir]

Yeah and I saw the game on live (ARG vs SA). @austingtir didn't see the game :lol: Then I saw the last SA's performance and I can say that Aussies are better than them.

From the highlights I saw Argentina looked well up for this. Like against NZ in welly last year. The only way the Australians are going to beat SA or Argentina is if their backs have a field day and as long as Link selects Beale at first five that aint going to happen.

 

[austingtir]

End of the day SA did win this match. Lets wait and see if Australia can do the same.

Something I noticed in the aftermatch speech from Hooper is he still has the confidence thing going on and wouldnt admit they got smashed. That could be a good and bad thing. To me his team mates know they got smashed. He's a very young captain and has ALOT to learn imo. To me he needed to admit they got bent over here and move on from there. Things could go very pear shaped for him and that group if they continue to loose from here out.

 

[Jaguares]

From the highlights I saw Argentina looked well up for this. Like against NZ in welly last year. The only way the Australians are going to beat SA or Argentina is if their backs have a field day and as long as Link selects Beale at first five that aint going to happen.

If Link picks Beale at 10 again, then ARU should call Michael Cheika...

 

[RWC2011Fan]

This is kinda unrelated, but has Owen Nkumane been promoted or something? Pretty sure he's commentated on all but one Springbok game this year (Matthew Pearce did the Scotland test). What's happened to Hugh Bladen?

 

[Big Ewis]

Conrad, you're completely underestimating both the Springboks (safe to say they're better than England, and probably than Aus also but that'll be sorted in some weeks) AND your Pumas. They just took it to the Boks, twice in a row. No fear.
Just no fkng fear:
my cousin and I were cracking up during this match when at the end right before the last wheeling scrum you see the Pumas go wide, there's a guy who throws a double skip pass way out wide, like a 200meter pass out wide. It actually works, but at a time where they should've positioned for a DG, they throw a 700m double skip pass !!! They're fkng crazy your Pumas ! I'm not saying incompetent, I just mean they have balls like elephants !! NOBODY does that !

Any other team in the Pumas' position would be saying before the game: "okay, we need to shut down Le Roux and Habana, focus hard on the rucks and lineout, use our scrum, and try and get lucky, let's see. Make your kicks and try a few Drops if you're close enough. This Boks defense is huge, we can't mess around, okay ?"
Pumas ? Pumas fkn play like it's the 80's all over again, they had more flair than France could dream of having atm, they were juggling with the ball, even forwards handling and passing, big fat fkng props, guys running support lines, no rucks, everybody up on their feet in fluid motions.

And the Boks backs may not be as entertaining as other nations', esp. NZ or AUS, but they're still very dangerous. Hendricks is a very good winger, he may not dance too much with insane steps on the field but he's quite lethal. And then Habana...well, I believe he, along with Lomu, are the two guys who've had the most direct influence on their teams in the pro era. They're just imminent 7 pointer bombs waiting to happen.
Then Le Roux, he's no Folau or Ben Smith for sure, but he beats defenders on the regular.

So I don't think these two games shake up the hierarchy of world Rugby. What it does is, it doesn't even really put the Pumas on the map again, as they could easily get smashed in the next 4 games; it just helps confirm, with tremendous, echoing intensity that when they're on, don't fk with em.
And then for the Boks it helps confirm, after that 2nd Wales game, a) that first of all they're much more vulnerable and accessible than we thought at a point and b) they sometimes need a huge knock on the head, get stunned, but they then have an uncanny ability to come right back and win.

For me atm: 1.NZ 2.SA 3.AUS 4.ENG.
France sucks, but although they took 50 from the Wallabies, England could never inflict that on them right now. Wallabies are better, they just drew with NZ after all, remember ? AB were just mad as hell in Test 2.