A great big Munster thread

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  1. munstermuffin

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    100% false especially when most SA news outlets here don't even mention JVG as a contender. Its more Irish news trying get paid with clicks and well it works to be fair to them. As they say in Cork - Paper never refused ink
     
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    Not that it was ever probable but that's good. Munster need stability and Van Graan has two seasons to reach a final and if he does he'll probably be afforded two more to win something.

    If he can get his players to buy into the pro14 100% (I do believe it's just not seen as being worth much effort down south) it might provide Munster with the launchpad they need to be real European contenders again.
     
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    I’d definitely have taken a 5 points win at altitude when I saw our team. In fact to rally and come back and win having fallen behind is impressive. Certainly a good bit of sloppy play and we’ll be disappointed with some of the tries conceded. Bill Johnson Daly and Wycherley are all becoming options. Kob was very impressive while loughman certainly showed ability. Good to have Tyler back in the mix. Whether he’s a viable 12 long term in terms of bulk I don’t know but as a sub 12 for the final 20 mins of big games he could be a weapon.

    Any chance we could keep alby till the end of the year??

    Cloete needs to eliminate the silly penalties
     
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    Very unlikely as Neil Cronin and James Hart are getting back. We also have a lot of 9's on our books and I feel if we do Leinster may go mad and arguably rightfully too.
     
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    Well the ulster lads certainly would.
    Fair enough I suppose.
    Is hart being kept on? I think Mccarthy will turn out to be a decent signing tbh.
     
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    I doubt Leinster would complain. Where they have a legitimate gripe is that they were forced into playing a 12 at flyhalf against Kings whereas Munster had Bill Johnston, Ian Keatley, JJ Hanrahan and Tyler Bleyendaal available.

    I'm not going to cover old ground but if Joey Carbery was moved to help Ireland, at two of the other Munster flyhalves should be moved to help the other provinces. I for one would be very happy to have Ian Keatley covering 10 while Ross Byrne and Johnny Sexton are on international duty.
     
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    You’re entirely correct of course. In fact I’d probably do one of jj or Johnson a bit of good to get some game time. I suspect Tyler being so Crocked played a part.
     
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    Well that is what I mean in a way. Like being fair Keatley is completely out of the picture now. Tyler was originally signed as a 12 remember and I think that is where he will stay. BJ and JJ will be back up 10's although JJ may move on soon too.

    Like Ian Keatley to Leinster would make sense for all parties. On the 9 issue I think it would also be irritating for us to try keep Alby until we get N. McC.

    But separately it 100% made sense Joey going to us as he has really progressed due to being the leader of a team. But the issue you spoke of the weekend would still have been there had he been with Leinster.
     
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    Suprised not posted here.
    Alby staying with us until March 31st at least.
    Due to James Hart set back and IRFU wanting to take over Conor for season. He will play very little for us this season but is fit enough.
     
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    Pretty much full team out this week bar carbery and cj. I hope they’re easing the workload in training. We’ve ran out of puff in the last month in both the last 2 years.
     
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    Sure is. Joey is in Paris and Rome I believe. CJ is probably camping
     
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    Some good contract renewals. Delighted we get to keep Arno.

    I wonder is it end of the line for bleyendaal with jj renewed
     
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    Arno was a no brainer.

    Tyler is an interesting one. We originally signed him to be long term 10. Now we have Joey. Mix it with his injury record and he is seen now as a 12. I believe there is a deal on table for him but who knows
     
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    Not necessarily, JvG could be looking at him as a 12 in which we a short back up for Scannell. Goggin can play there though I think he’s a better 13
     
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    This link might be of interest:
    https://dementedmole.com/2018/12/29/maintaining-a-lean-squad/

    It examines Munster's squad, the split of game time among players and asks if there are too many players contracted. It's a long read, I agree with much of it. See what you think.

    I've argued in the past that Munster have too many players on their books and aren't giving enough opportunities to young players. There's a lot to be gained from investing significant game time in Jack O'Sullivan (once healthy), Calvin Nash, Bill Johnston, Fineen Wycherley and others. Taking a look at the current Munster squad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munster_Rugby#Senior_Playing_Squad), you could cut roughly €500000 off the annual wage bill easily and not hurt their prospects in the Pro 14 and Europe.
     
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    Snoop you left out Ben Healy but there is an overhaul coming
     
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