A History Thread

[Bada-Bing!]

I do like Joolz’s guides on YouTube. This one on the history of how Lenin and Stalin came to London to plan the Russian revolution. But he has loads of videos of London and ends the walk in a pub. 😃🍻

 

[Welsh Exile]

Does anyone else think that the Brits are still totally obsessed with WW2? I’d like to see the amount it’s taught in schools significantly reduce. Not even proper history in my book, to recent. Plus it’s feeds this moronic “2 word wars and 1 World Cup” nationalism. Also, there’s so much interesting stuff I wish I would’ve learnt more about as a kid.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

If you open the daily mail/ mail on Saturday/Sunday then yes it would appear certain sections of the media and their readership are still are obsessed with WW2.

Personally I think that is why Germany and Japan progressed economically as nations because they were always looking back.

I recall when I was a secondary school we were only taught the lead up events/causes to WW2 ie the First World War, Great Depression, the rise of Hitler.

I thought WW2 would then be covered at A-level, but it wasn’t so I didn’t choose it and chose Politics instead as it was more relevant to current events.

This is going back a while so I don’t know if they have changed the curriculum.

 

[Welsh Exile]

If you open the daily mail/ mail on Saturday/Sunday then yes it would appear certain sections of the media and their readership are still are obsessed with WW2.

Personally I think that is why Germany and Japan progressed economically as nations because they were always looking back.

I recall when I was a secondary school we were only taught the lead up events/causes to WW2 ie the First World War, Great Depression, the rise of Hitler.

I thought WW2 would then be covered at A-level, but it wasn’t so I didn’t choose it and chose Politics instead as it was more relevant to current events.

This is going back a while so I don’t know if they have changed the curriculum.

Yeah I don’t have a clue either to be honest but judging by how much society still romanticises it I can’t imagine it’s changed to much but I could be talking bollix.

You’re never really taught any dodgy British history like the horrible empire stuff or the Irish beef. As you say the Germans owned their **** and are all the better for it.

 

[Not Mike Brown's Sock]

You’re never really taught any dodgy British history like the horrible empire stuff or the Irish beef. As you say the Germans owned their **** and are all the better for it.

This may have been the case a decade a go but just isn't now tbh. Curriculum is quite exhaustive in terms of options for examination - personally did no WW2 but ik it was an option varying by exam boards etc.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I mean WW2 is an extremely important lesson to learn IMO and as said the majrotiy of the lessons is focused on the build up to it not the actual war.
The problem isn't learning it the problem is the spin.

Also I think for me personally it was 1 year on WW1 and another subject and 1 year on WW2 and Great Depression.
A levels I did Mao's China, British Empire and communist Russia with coursework being the Dark ages.

Not to be that guy the people that trump up nationalism are also not likely to be the people who paid attention in class either

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I recall when I was a secondary school we were only taught the lead up events/causes to WW2 ie the First World War, Great Depression, the rise of Hitler.

We kinda had the same - focused on in between the wars and what led to the Nazis taking power,
The only in-war stuff we did was a module on the Holocaust

Think the only proper WW2 stuff I can remember doing during school was in primary school learning the different types of air raid shelter, reading/watching Goodnight Mr Tom and The Machine Gunners etc.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I mean WW2 is an extremely important lesson to learn IMO and as said the majrotiy of the lessons is focused on the build up to it not the actual war.
The problem isn't learning it the problem is the spin.

Also I think for me personally it was 1 year on WW1 and another subject and 1 year on WW2 and Great Depression.
A levels I did Mao's China, British Empire and communist Russia with coursework being the Dark ages.

Not to be that guy the people that trump up nationalism are also not likely to be the people who paid attention in class either

Yeah we never did any of that **** but I went to a load of **** schools to be fair.

I used to think we should learn from history, I brought into the whole “those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it” stuff but now I kinda think that’s a load of bollix as we’re all a bunch of ***** whether we learn from it or not. I mean, how long have we been teaching history and ain’t nothing changed. We still make the same mistakes. Humans gunna human I suppose.

 

[ncurd]

Way back when I did it I think the biggest issues is lack of focus on Empire, atrocities associated with it, involvement to the lead up of WW1 and collapse during and post WW2. That isn't just British Empire it not a self flaggeration.

But due to that the factors into WW1 get missed. And you just end up in triumphalism which is what we are plagued with in this country.

 

[Which Tyler]

I used to think we should learn from history, I brought into the whole “those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it” stuff but now I kinda think that’s a load of bollix as we’re all a bunch of ***** whether we learn from it or not. I mean, how long have we been teaching history and ain’t nothing changed. We still make the same mistakes. Humans gunna human I suppose.

"The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history" Hegel (famously outconsumed by Hume)

 

[BPM]

I mean WW2 is an extremely important lesson to learn IMO and as said the majrotiy of the lessons is focused on the build up to it not the actual war.
The problem isn't learning it the problem is the spin.

Also I think for me personally it was 1 year on WW1 and another subject and 1 year on WW2 and Great Depression.
A levels I did Mao's China, British Empire and communist Russia with coursework being the Dark ages.

Not to be that guy the people that trump up nationalism are also not likely to be the people who paid attention in class either

I had the same at GCSE and then A-Levels were all on the The Holy Roman Empire and French/Italian history.

The only solidly British history I did other than that was the English Civil War in my early secondary education.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Queen Elizabeth II becomes second-longest serving monarch

In two years, she would overtake Louis XIV of France who reigned for more than 72 years.

www.bbc.co.uk

Going for the record.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

BBC Radio 4 - The People Vs J Edgar Hoover - How J Edgar Hoover became one of the most powerful men in America

Nine things we learned from The People Vs J Edgar Hoover

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Following on from watching the Elvis film.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

South Wales Police apology 70 years after hanging injustice

Family get apology after wrongful murder conviction and execution of father in British prison.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bada-Bing!]

The Lost King: Legal action 'likely' against Richard III film

A university academic says he is "shell shocked" by the way he is portrayed in The Lost King.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Revealed: TE Lawrence felt ‘bitter shame’ over UK’s false promises of Arab self rule

Deleted chapter of book by British spy who supported Arab revolt reveals his true feelings about insincere pledge of self-government

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bada-Bing!]

World War One. Interactive and Personal.

Have a look at what you might have done

armistice-day.bbcrewind.co.uk

For Armistice day today.

 

[Le Frére Alpha]

https://www.irishtimes.com/history/...e-is-100-years-old-why-is-nobody-celebrating/

The botched response to independence in this state is such a shame on the state. Especially considering 100 years later those north of the border are paying for it more. Micheál Martin is full of it saying that the Fianna Fail politicians of the time didn't care about the North, the man is clueless to the North in general.

 

[die_mole]

National day - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

came across this while not doing my job a couple weeks ago
interesting the brits don't have a national day. I'd go for one of the Scottish and English union days or for the Battle of Hastings.

Are there concerns about not wanting a day until unification? Celebrate unification rather than independence? Maybe don't want a day that could be targeted?