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dirty harry said:
Hell literally the world over the right wing are getting pummelled in elections they were due to win because of how **** Trump is.

This is wildly out of touch, ADF, Brothers, NR, Reform, eastern Europe, south America... right wing parties are on an upward curve, there has been what 1 notable loss in Canada. Most governments are now trying to criminalise and ban right wing parties because of their popularity rise.

The Canadian election was a Trump reaction, but the others are proper right wing, Trump is basically a Drmocrat lol, he's the least scary Republican!
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Australia, Portugal, Romania and it looks like Poland are staying away from far right.
 
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AlRums said:
Australia, Portugal, Romania and it looks like Poland are staying away from far right.
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Yzsarkowski was predicted to win handily, and scraped through the first round, leaving him vulnerable for 1st June. Infact the right did better than the centers and left in general, if L&J are smart they may well win from nowhere.

Portugal went centre right with AD playing it safe, the far right Chega party did really well though didnt they?

Romania was a shock, bucked the trend.

Some very interesting comments out of Tomania regarding interference internationally.
 
dirty harry said:
Seriously? Lex Luthor, as you know him from the comics was updated/created in the 80's modelled on Trump.

"I built the character as a cross between Donald Trump, Ted Turner, Howard Hughes and maybe Satan himself!"
Byrne

DC themselves created a biography for Luthor, it was printed like the art of the deal lol.

I would never have known, it was pointed out by a coworker a few years ago, he's a collector (of comics, not Trump merch)
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so in your own message you start with "seriously" like im a fool for not seeing it...and then finish with you didn't know until someone told you
 
Kiwiwomble said:
so in your own message you start with "seriously" like im a fool for not seeing it...and then finish with you didn't know until someone told you
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Ye it wasn't meant to read like that lol, my apologies, it wasn't meant as condescending, it's late, and I'm waiting for police to arrive!

It's one of those things, like glass breaking, as soon as you see it it makes total sense
 
www.bbc.co.uk

What does the new EU deal mean for Scotland?

The new agreement is set to affect sectors including fishing, agriculture, hospitality and defence.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure I can get my head round this. The fisherman wanted Brexit, then they complained that it was making them bankrupt because they couldn't sell their fish abroad or sell their licences to french trawlermen and now there is a deal they are moaning they have been betrayed etc etc. I do have sympathy with fisherman but FFS what do they ******* want?
 
dirty harry said:
Ok so we are going to do this again?!

Firstly, I'm not working backwards from an outcome, I'm basing my conclusion of evidence in front of me, those are 2 very different things.

My hole premise is not based on wealth andnpower, it's based on evidence of intellect and achievements...

Let's start with what I'm saying, you've just thrust genius on me, but my stance is that he's not an idiot.

Idiot = person who is stupid or low intelligence.

So there is unequivocal evidence that Trump has to have at least average IQ, the fact he was eligible for the military (IQ 80+), the fact he has a degree (35% of USA), not to mention his 2 honorary doctorates of law and business.

Then theres the cultural icon he made himself in the 90s, the 20+ TV appearances, the dozen movies, the books, the 50+ rap and hip hop songs mentioning him, the games, art and comics... blwdi Lex Luthor was styled around him hahaha he built a brand around himself. That was not inherited, it was crafted.

Then we can talk about the Apprentice, his property portfolio, oh and his awards:

National Jewish Hospital's Humanitarian Award (1976)[9]
Jewish National Fund's Tree of Life Award (1983)[10]
Ellis Island Medal of Honor (1986)[11][12]
Freedoms Foundation's President's Medal (1995)[13]
Muhammad Ali Entrepreneur Award (2007)[14]
Unicorn Children's Foundation's Shining Star Award (2008)[15]
Palm Beach Police Foundation's Palm Tree Award (2010)[16][17]
Lois Pope LIFE Foundation's Presidential Hero Award (2011)[18]
The Algemeiner's Liberty Award (2015)[19]
Marine Corps–Law Enforcement Foundation's Commandant's Leadership Award (2015)[20]
The Friends of Zion Museum's Friends of Zion Award (2017)[21]
20/20 Bipartisan Justice Center's Bipartisan Justice Award (2019)[22][23][24]

(Apologies for the copy paste).

Then we move on to numerous business dealings, companies, tax evasion etc... I sit down with me accountant regularly, and at least twice a year we have to go through some complex stuff, it isnt easy to understand, and you have to comprehend it, because, and in no way the same scale, my arse is on the chopping block if I take a risk and I **** it up.

Then we can move on to him crafting one of the biggest underdog presidential campaigns in at least modern history, from nowhere to leader of the free world with every person with an audience laughing in his face? To take his fan base from strength to strength over 8 years, culminating in a mandate in 2024!

Fighting and beating impeachments, DOJ attacks, criminal hearings, law suits, while re winning the whitehouse, and starting a media company, merging with another and floating it to make billions on the market?!

Insider trading, bankruptxy, crypto trading, juggling his children's responsibilities and businesses.

My claim, is that this list, of which I've probably missed things, including international and global awards like Times man of the year, is enough evidence that Trump is not a low IQ, stupid idiot. I can call him a lot of things, idiot is not something that is led by logic, that is either emotionally driven, or delusion IMHO.
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None of what you listed there is evidence at all.

The military has taken in people who failed the IQ tests, that is well known.

That same degree where his professor said he was the most stupid student he ever taught?

Honorary degrees are not a sign of intelligence, universities can give them to whoever they want, they are not "earned" and cannot be used as evidence of academic achievement.

Again popularity is not evidence of intelligence. Look at any school ever and you will find the most popular people are rarely the most intelligent.

Yes you sit down with an accountant. Trump doesn't, he and his advisors sit with an accountant. You keep acting like he needs to comprehend it, he doesn't. He simply needs someone else there who does. When is gone to court, it's been revealed that Trump didn't understand the accounting at all.

He didn't craft his presidential run, again it's well known that his whole campaign strategy was created by others, not him. It also wasn't the tactic campaign you make out it was. It was simply him being him.

He didn't do anything to beat the impeachments, he was impeached! He wasn't prosecuted and again that had nothing to do on his part and everything to do with Republican senators being so partisan. They weren't ever going to convict for anything.

He lost nearly every law suit that was filed against him. The only ones he "won" were down to corruption (ie Cannon basically breaking the law to protect him). I don't think you have any idea at all of just the sheer scale of how corrupt her decisions were. I suggest you read it if you haven't. She was admonished by the courts for the extent of her original malpractice the first time and her active the second time are severe enough to get her kicked off the bench and removed from the bar.

No you're just doing exactly what I'm saying you are doing, you are looking at some outcomes then working backwards to assert intelligence. Trump has a degree of cunning and is a showman I'll give him that, but he's not intelligent. How do you explain that all the people closest to him, who see him for who he is, constantly state what an idiot he is? Going to just dismiss it as personal vendettas? How do you explain my personal experience of a family member who spoke with people in the white house at the time who said he was every bit as stupid and erratic as he appears, that there is no higher thinking there? You keep desperately ignoring actual first hand accounts if what he is like.
 
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National Jewish Hospital's Humanitarian Award (1976)[9]
Jewish National Fund's Tree of Life Award (1983)[10]
Ellis Island Medal of Honor (1986)[11][12]
Freedoms Foundation's President's Medal (1995)[13]
Muhammad Ali Entrepreneur Award (2007)[14]
Unicorn Children's Foundation's Shining Star Award (2008)[15]
Palm Beach Police Foundation's Palm Tree Award (2010)[16][17]
Lois Pope LIFE Foundation's Presidential Hero Award (2011)[18]
The Algemeiner's Liberty Award (2015)[19]
Marine Corps–Law Enforcement Foundation's Commandant's Leadership Award (2015)[20]
The Friends of Zion Museum's Friends of Zion Award (2017)[21]
20/20 Bipartisan Justice Center's Bipartisan Justice Award (2019)[22][23][24


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Has he got a swimming badge too! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
Also, if outcomes are the measure, is Marjorie Taylor Greene "not an idiot"? After all she is a representative and a millionaire. Or do you accept you can have power and influence and still be thick as ****?
 
dirty harry said:
Hell literally the world over the right wing are getting pummelled in elections they were due to win because of how **** Trump is.

This is wildly out of touch, ADF, Brothers, NR, Reform, eastern Europe, south America... right wing parties are on an upward curve, there has been what 1 notable loss in Canada. Most governments are now trying to criminalise and ban right wing parties because of their popularity rise.

The Canadian election was a Trump reaction, but the others are proper right wing, Trump is basically a Drmocrat lol, he's the least scary Republican!
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Canada, Australia and Romania all had right wing parties with a clear lead that are rapidly reversed when Trump took office, so no, not just 1 case.
 
It's pretty crazy how good of a deal Starmer has managed to do with the EU,

It's also pretty crazy how slammed he's getting for it on social media - I know most of the accounts will be bots, but it really shows how much brain rot there is out there
He could personally go door to door and give everyone £1000 cash and they'd be calling him to be hanged as a traitor for not giving them £1066
 
Ragey Erasmus said:
None of what you listed there is evidence at all.

The military has taken in people who failed the IQ tests, that is well known.

That same degree where his professor said he was the most stupid student he ever taught?

Honorary degrees are not a sign of intelligence, universities can give them to whoever they want, they are not "earned" and cannot be used as evidence of academic achievement.

Again popularity is not evidence of intelligence. Look at any school ever and you will find the most popular people are rarely the most intelligent.

Yes you sit down with an accountant. Trump doesn't, he and his advisors sit with an accountant. You keep acting like he needs to comprehend it, he doesn't. He simply needs someone else there who does. When is gone to court, it's been revealed that Trump didn't understand the accounting at all.

He didn't craft his presidential run, again it's well known that his whole campaign strategy was created by others, not him. It also wasn't the tactic campaign you make out it was. It was simply him being him.

He didn't do anything to beat the impeachments, he was impeached! He wasn't prosecuted and again that had nothing to do on his part and everything to do with Republican senators being so partisan. They weren't ever going to convict for anything.

He lost nearly every law suit that was filed against him. The only ones he "won" were down to corruption (ie Cannon basically breaking the law to protect him). I don't think you have any idea at all of just the sheer scale of how corrupt her decisions were. I suggest you read it if you haven't. She was admonished by the courts for the extent of her original malpractice the first time and her active the second time are severe enough to get her kicked off the bench and removed from the bar.

No you're just doing exactly what I'm saying you are doing, you are looking at some outcomes then working backwards to assert intelligence. Trump has a degree of cunning and is a showman I'll give him that, but he's not intelligent. How do you explain that all the people closest to him, who see him for who he is, constantly state what an idiot he is? Going to just dismiss it as personal vendettas? How do you explain my personal experience of a family member who spoke with people in the white house at the time who said he was every bit as stupid and erratic as he appears, that there is no higher thinking there? You keep desperately ignoring actual first hand accounts if what he is like.
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Are you listening to yourself?

Your argument is 100% based on

'people who say he's stupid hate him like i do, therefore his level of education, and his achievements in business and politics, his awards won, his cunning in legal requirements, his ability to create and run companies, his ability to negotiate deals, his ability to make billions, his insider trading, his foresight in new and existing markets, and those who I disagree with all don't count'

I don't want to talk about your family member, because you get triggered so easily, but my uncle met Ryan Giggs a few times, and called him one of the nicest guys in the world. I love my uncle, he's sweet, but my God he's an idiot when it comes to a judge of character hahaha

That exhaustive list proves, without a shadow of a doubt that Trump is not a low IQ barely functionable human being, where his intellect is I don't know!

Have you ever worked with anyone with cognitive issues, low IQ specifically? Their level of comprehension is scary.

I am gobsmacked by your efforts here, I truly am.
 
TRF_Olyy said:
It's pretty crazy how good of a deal Starmer has managed to do with the EU,

It's also pretty crazy how slammed he's getting for it on social media - I know most of the accounts will be bots, but it really shows how much brain rot there is out there
He could personally go door to door and give everyone £1000 cash and they'd be calling him to be hanged as a traitor for not giving them £1066
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Havnt seen the details, what were the stand out points for you?
 
dirty harry said:
Are you listening to yourself?

Your argument is 100% based on

'people who say he's stupid hate him like i do, therefore his level of education, and his achievements in business and politics, his awards won, his cunning in legal requirements, his ability to create and run companies, his ability to negotiate deals, his ability to make billions, his insider trading, his foresight in new and existing markets, and those who I disagree with all don't count'

I don't want to talk about your family member, because you get triggered so easily, but my uncle met Ryan Giggs a few times, and called him one of the nicest guys in the world. I love my uncle, he's sweet, but my God he's an idiot when it comes to a judge of character hahaha

That exhaustive list proves, without a shadow of a doubt that Trump is not a low IQ barely functionable human being, where his intellect is I don't know!

Have you ever worked with anyone with cognitive issues, low IQ specifically? Their level of comprehension is scary.

I am gobsmacked by your efforts here, I truly am.
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Lol way to strawman. I'm saying people who were closest to him and worked with him say he's stupid, a clear distinction you ignored, funny that. So you ignore the opinions of those closest to him to judge his character and ability?

I didn't say my family member met Trump, I said they spoke with people who worked with him, but again you dismiss first hand testimony from those closest to him.

No it doesn't. Statistically the Trump organisation has performed worse than the market averages and a lot of what you listed as "achievements" weren't that. You lost having a degree but then dismiss the opinion of those who lectured him. I've personally seen people who bought their way through a degree. You have no idea what his grade was but generally people who aren't idiots don't have their professors saying they are the most stupid student they ever taught.

Simple question, is Marjorie Taylor Greene an idiot?
 

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