A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

Yeah, you've clearly dropped it by referencing it again

Still won't explain what "your views" I'm supposed to have that are vile enough to be considered racist. And no, I haven't dropped it, because that was a serious accusation to throw someone's way and has had a very negative effect on me.

Again you read an opinion of mine and decided despite the fact I did not single you out and the fact you weren't even part of the conversation. This is equivalent of you starting a fight over an overheard conversation down the pub.

And you wont listen to that. And I dont have time for it to consume my life.

 

[odw26]

"Did not single you out". "Weren't even a part of the conversation". You literally replied to me saying the below:

But that's not what this about is it? Its fact I suggested someone with your views on immigration might be racist. And you didnt like being tarred with brush of those people did you? Despite the fact I'm assuming your not racist. So much for dillution.

Explain to me how on earth that is not singling me out.

 

[ncurd]

"Did not single you out". "Weren't even a part of the conversation". You literally replied to me saying the below:



Explain to me how on earth that is not singling me out.

Thats after the fight started. Anyway ignore

 

[Reiser99]

Pretty much where I stand on the guy. He's a great back bencher even prominent voice but dude should be nowhere near power.

It's irrelevant because he'll never be anywhere near power again. Even if by chance his party gets some support and wins some seats, they will never get enough to be elected. As long as it's FPTP people will vote to keep the other guys out.

 

[ncurd]

It's irrelevant because he'll never be anywhere near power again. Even if by chance his party gets some support and wins some seats, they will never get enough to be elected. As long as it's FPTP people will vote to keep the other guys out.

Oh yeah this why I support him personally in the house of commons.

 

[odw26]

Thats after the fight started. Anyway ignore

We weren't having a fight prior to that, we were having a discussion. I am not upset over the comments you had made previously, for the most part they encouraged good dialogue, despite our difference of views, and despite the fact that I believe (and I may be wrong) you misinterpreted my stance on your opinion of your marital family, which I supported by saying "[your sister in law] may well have said some abhorrent things" and "You clearly have a deep understanding of them, and you choose to remove them from your life as much as possible, that's not what I have an issue with". I was enjoying that rhetoric because it allowed me to consider a viewpoint which I wouldn't normally.

You then claimed that I held views (which was a definitive statement on your part) which could be considered racist. That's what I am appalled about, even more so about your unwillingness to explain what you believe my views to be and why you believe that to be a valid statement.

If you do not wish to engage further- fine. But I hope you understand the ramifications of implying that someone is an incredibly vile person- which someone who holds racist views is- in a situation which, from my perspective, is completely unwarranted and unjustifiable, and why that has such a profound impact. All I've wanted you to do is explain why you believe I hold views which could be considered racist so I can understand why any misinterpretation has happened, but I'm not hopeful that is going to happen.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

 

[AlRums]

French pledge to recognise Palestine is a gamble - so will Starmer follow suit?

The prime minister is facing pressure at home and abroad to recognise a Palestinian state.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[McTallshort]

BBC news showing some shocking scenes in Gaza. Reminds me of the Ethiopian famine in the 80s

 

[Which Tyler]

Severe malnutrition in under-5s has tripled at Gaza City clinic, charity reports

Charity says number of people needing care for malnutrition has quadrupled and blames Israeli ‘policy of starvation’

www.theguardian.com

 

[General Melchett]

BBC news showing some shocking scenes in Gaza. Reminds me of the Ethiopian famine in the 80s

Sad af in this day and age and especially when the responsible country is a supposed ally and democracy that is supposed to share our values. 100+ aid organisations all saying the same thing is pretty compelling and ain't propaganda. I didn't realise that the Israeli Govt had outsourced the distribution of aid to an American security firm who also have to take responsibility.

 

[McTallshort]

Sad af in this day and age and especially when the responsible country is a supposed ally that is supposed to share our values. 100+ aid organisations all saying the same thing is pretty compelling. I didn't realise that the Israeli Govt had outsourced the distribution of aid to an American security firm who also have to take responsibility.

Same reason Russia uses Wagner to stage coups in Africa.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I don't see how anyone could possibly argue Israel isn't intentionally starving the entire nation and doing just enough to try to maintain the tiniest shred of plausible deniability. It's clear their aim is to drive the Palestinian population out.

 

[McTallshort]

I don't see how anyone could possibly argue Israel isn't intentionally starving the entire nation and doing just enough to try to maintain the tiniest shred of plausible deniability. It's clear their aim is to drive the Palestinian population out.

I know at least two people who will say it isn't

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Security personnel shot at Palestinians at Gaza aid distribution centre, claims ex-guard

It comes as the United Nations criticised a US-backed aid distribution scheme run by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) that has been supplying aid, claiming it is a "sadistic death trap". The GHF denied civilians came under fire at a distribution site.

news.sky.com

 

[Reiser99]

I don't see how anyone could possibly argue Israel isn't intentionally starving the entire nation and doing just enough to try to maintain the tiniest shred of plausible deniability. It's clear their aim is to drive the Palestinian population out.

I see the pictures and think what can I do, but the reality is there is nothing. I could give more money to charity for more food, but it would do nothing. The food is already there, but Israel refuse to let it in. Of course it's intentionally starving them.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I said to myself I’m not getting involved in this debate anymore as it’s so toxic but for what it’s worth, what we are seeing is unacceptable, clearly. Sure, Hamas are stealing, hoarding and selling aid back to Palestinians at extortionate prices and indeed their aim is to create chaos and the humanitarian crisis we are currently seeing but that does not excuse Israel’s actions.

They have to accept that Hamas have check mated them here and not only increase the aid going in but, much more importantly, sort out the distribution mechanisms to get people the aid they need even if it benefits Hamas. The only good thing that is coming out of this is that there appears to be a big shift amongst Israelis to end the war and put an end to this.

 

[dirty harry]

I see the pictures and think what can I do, but the reality is there is nothing. I could give more money to charity for more food, but it would do nothing. The food is already there, but Israel refuse to let it in. Of course it's intentionally starving them.

Catastrophic levels of famine are occurring around the world, Sudan, Yemen, South Sudan, Haiti, Mali and other places.

Lots of charities trying to help this, World food programme, action against hunger, and world vision. They always need support.

Im sure there will be a chance of supporting British air drops into Palestine with food and supplies.

 

[AlRums]

I said to myself I'm not getting involved in this debate anymore as it's so toxic but for what it's worth, what we are seeing is unacceptable, clearly. Sure, Hamas are stealing, hoarding and selling aid back to Palestinians at extortionate prices and indeed their aim is to create chaos and the humanitarian crisis we are currently seeing but that does not excuse Israel's actions.

They have to accept that Hamas have check mated them here and not only increase the aid going in but, much more importantly, sort out the distribution mechanisms to get people the aid they need even if it benefits Hamas. The only good thing that is coming out of this is that there appears to be a big shift amongst Israelis to end the war and put an end to this.

Are we sure Hamas is stealing as much food as claimed, who are the sources for that accusation? Israel and America.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Are we sure Hamas is stealing as much food as claimed, who are the sources for that accusation? Israel and America.

We can't be sure of anything (something I've been saying for a while) but something I am pretty sure of is that this has been Hamas’ strategy for a long time. When you have a terrorist organisation who for 18 years builds a tunnel network as big as the London Underground and yet don't let a single Palestinian inside you have to ask yourself why? What purpose does it serve? Do they actually care about their people or is their hate of Jews (yes Jews not Israelis) greater than the love for their own people.

I support the destruction of Hamas but not at all costs and I'll say it again, what we're seeing now is unacceptable and even though I think this is quite a unique conflict it does not excuse how badly the Israeli government and IDF have handled this war.