A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

Sorry @AlRums I didn’t answer your question, yes it would be mainly American and Israeli sources (if you also include released hostage witness statements as Israeli sources which would be fair enough) but I’d imagine there’s been other sources confirming this too but you’re right to be sceptical especially in terms of how much and stuff like that.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Anyway, I’ll leave it there but happy to answer any questions if people want me to clarify anything in particular.

 

[dirty harry]

Anyway, I'll leave it there but happy to answer any questions if people want me to clarify anything in particular.

I have 1:

What do you think of negotiation talks in Qatar?

 

[Welsh Exile]

I have 1:

What do you think of negotiation talks in Qatar?

I dunno to be honest. What’s the latest? America and Israel have withdrawn? This is part of the problem, you can’t negotiate with Hamas or any of their ilk like ISIS.

One thing all Jews in Israel could do that would solve the problem overnight and would mean Hamas would seise to exist would be to convert to Islam. Problem solved.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Also, **** Qatar.

 

[dirty harry]

I dunno to be honest. What's the latest? America and Israel have withdrawn? This is part of the problem, you can't negotiate with Hamas or any of their ilk like ISIS.

One thing all Jews in Israel could do that would solve the problem overnight and would mean Hamas would seise to exist would be to convert to Islam. Problem solved.

I didnt have you as naive, you think Hamas would stop at Isreal?

 

[Welsh Exile]

I didnt have you as naive, you think Hamas would stop at Isreal?

Oh, you mean Jews worldwide not just Israel? If so I agree but was just focusing on the regional conflict.

 

[AlRums]

220 MPs call for Keir Starmer to recognise Palestinian state

The PM says recognition of a Palestinian state must be part of a "wider plan" to ensure peace in the region.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[AlRums]

Sorry @AlRums I didn't answer your question, yes it would be mainly American and Israeli sources (if you also include released hostage witness statements as Israeli sources which would be fair enough) but I'd imagine there's been other sources confirming this too but you're right to be sceptical especially in terms of how much and stuff like that.

US government review found no evidence of widespread Hamas theft of Gaza aid

US government review found no evidence of widespread Hamas theft of Gaza aid

 

[Reiser99]

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Every country in the world outside of America has called Israel to lift aid restrictions

But grrrr it’s not Israel that is causing this grrrrr

 

[ncurd]

Yeah sorry Welsh Exile starving people is starving people and the whole Hamas thing stinks of conspiracy theory.

Just accept the Israeli governement are doing disgusting **** however you label it and stop trying to both sides it.

I wouldn't be tolerant if my government was doing it and I was hearing 80% of Israelis want the stuff in Gaza to end.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I guess I would sum up my views by saying I like democracy and put more trust in any democratic system over an area governed by terrorists. That does not mean to say democracies can't act inappropriately but I will give them benefit of the doubt.

In case you misread my earlier posts I have said what is happening cannot be allowed to happen and the good thing to come out of this was that there appears to be a shift in opinion amongst Israeli citizens.

 

[Reiser99]

I guess I would sum up my views by saying I like democracy and put more trust in any democratic system over an area governed by terrorists. That does not mean to say democracies can't act inappropriately but I will give them benefit of the doubt.

In case you misread my earlier posts I have said what is happening cannot be allowed to happen and the good thing to come out of this was that there appears to be a shift in opinion amongst Israeli citizens.

I think the issue have is that it always feels like you caveat it with, 'but Hamas are worse'. Nobody denies that Hamas are bad. However, that doesn't change what Israel is doing and constantly mentioning it feels like making an excuse for Israel. You can just post that Israel are wrong without mentioning Hamas.

 

[Welsh Exile]

I think the issue have is that it always feels like you caveat it with, 'but Hamas are worse'. Nobody denies that Hamas are bad. However, that doesn't change what Israel is doing and constantly mentioning it feels like making an excuse for Israel. You can just post that Israel are wrong without mentioning Hamas.

As I outlined, I make a clear distinction between a terrorist state and a democratic state and all the systems and mechanism that entails. Hamas is the context which is why it’s important to keep mentioning them.

But look, if it’s true there is deliberate, intentional starvation going on that is wrong and as I said to you a while back, if we see them start setting up gas chambers and wiping them out we should intervene militarily as that is obviously not good. I would also be a lot more concerned if Israel was an authoritarian, non democratic state but as you can see in the last few days people are speaking out and fingers crossed that brings about a stop to it. The same can’t be said for Gaza. If the wars ends tomorrow with Hamas in charge they go again and start making a plan to kill more Jews (again Jews, not Israelis that is a very important distinction imo)

 

[McTallshort]

The current Israeli government is democratic in the same way the current Hungarian one is

 

[Welsh Exile]

The current Israeli government is democratic in the same way the current Hungarian one is

That they're illegal or you don't like the leader. I don't know if you know (don't mean that to sound snidely) but they've never had a majority government in history. It's a PR system

 

[ncurd]

 

[ncurd]

Last paragraph....not surprised at all.

 

[AlRums]

What is inside the GHF food box being distributed in Gaza

BBC Verify examines the meals handed out to Gazans - and why their nutritional value is questioned by some experts.

www.bbc.co.uk

Gazans tell BBC of air drop fears as aid agencies call plan 'grotesque distraction' - live updates

Israel has said foreign nations will be able to air drop supplies into Gaza as international pressure mounts in the face of widespread starvation.

www.bbc.co.uk