England future management?

[Mattybuck]

It's true that we have a tendency to get ahead of ourselves and game by game is certainly the way we should be thinking.

I think realistically it's time to look at non-English coaching options.

There are solid prospects knocking around the AP, but none I think are ready yet, long term you have to hope Baxter gets some success with Exe.

Sir Clive leading a select team consisting of a head coach and specialists has to be the way forward.

I've calmed down since the RWC exit, however I still believe Lancaster's time is up. He has done many good things however progress the team is not one of them.

Who from the rest of the world... Goodness only knows!

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Jim Mallinder is soooo overrated IMO.

 

[Mattybuck]

A good coach who has done good things, but it doesn't excite me.

 

[Tony Manx]

So stick with Lancs and hope he has learnt seems to be the result of not being able to come up with someone who is available and/or acceptable!

Reckon the RFU will agree with that too!!

 

[Peat]

So stick with Lancs and hope he has learnt seems to be the result of not being able to come up with someone who is available and/or acceptable!

Reckon the RFU will agree with that too!!

Ye what?

 

[ncurd]

So stick with Lancs and hope he has learnt seems to be the result of not being able to come up with someone who is available and/or acceptable!

Reckon the RFU will agree with that too!!

a little bit of me died inside for that suggestion

 

[Gavin]

I don't know if the problem lies with Lancaster. It reminds me of the situation with England in 99 and they stuck with Woodward.

I personally feel Lancaster has had too many voices in his ears and has had to appease the politics of English rugby. The whole Burgess situation smells of it really.

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Jim Mallinder is soooo overrated IMO.

Said the Tigers fan! What a surprise.

 

[ncurd]

Woodward said it an article in the daily mail. He'd only been in charge for 2 years not 4. Lost to the current world champions in SA (to 5 frigging drop goals) and NZ. Plus his team were on an upward trajectory we've stagnated the high point was 2 years ago. We've come 2nd in 4 6 nations now gone out in group stages. But most importantly the Wales match proved Lancaster has learnt none of the lessons, odd selections out of position, predefined substitutes, indiscipline and kicking to the corner. Are all mistakes that have cost us games before so why did we choose a critical match to do them all!

 

[Mattybuck]

There have been plenty of names suggested, the question is whether or not the RFU as Sir Clive said are prepared to go and get them.

I have limited belief in the RFU making a bold decision, but this was a big flop in a home World Cup and I would imagine it's hurting, if not pride definitely financially!

I reckon Eddie Jones may be interested, Borthwick with him... That's a good start for me

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Said the Tigers fan! What a surprise.

It's true though.

 

[Mattybuck]

It's true though.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

There have been plenty of names suggested, the question is whether or not the RFU as Sir Clive said are prepared to go and get them.

I have limited belief in the RFU making a bold decision, but this was a big flop in a home World Cup and I would imagine it's hurting, if not pride definitely financially!

I reckon Eddie Jones may be interested, Borthwick with him... That's a good start for me

You are under the assumption that people at the RFU will believe they have done anything wrong in any their selections. If they genuinely think all their selections since SCW have been fine then why would they change, despite England doing worse and worse and going through the longest dry spell in English rugby history? I believe thr RFU will select another English yes man and English rugby will face another 4 years of nothing than admit they are getting their selecitons wrong.

 

[ncurd]

I dunno about worse and worse I still think the Robinson era was our worst.

 

[Mattybuck]

No I agree I think we are likely to keep some or all of the coaching team as I have a horrible feeling they will swallow whatever SL tells them.

However if they don't realise something is wrong after the latest turn of events then I'm afraid we're doomed...

 

[stus768]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ru...700/Lancaster-defends-his-England-record.html

Looks like Lancaster gearing up to stay. Not sure how being the second most experienced coach is a defence. You could say that he has been given the second most time and experience but achieved little with it.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I like Lancaster (quite a lot, actually) but frankly, he comes across as being utterly delusional in that.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I like Lancaster (quite a lot, actually) but frankly, he comes across as being utterly delusional in that.

Agreed but then it's not that different to his press meetings when things go wrong for England. There's always an excuse rather, trying to find that silver lining. The guy needs to be less positive and more miserable sometimes. Putting a positive spin on everything isn't always good.

 

[j'nuh]

The bit that bothers me the most:

"Clearly, things need to be done better, no doubt about it, because we didn't achieve what we wanted to achieve," he said. "That's the whole purpose of the review – if things can be done better, let's learn and improve and do them better.

A good coaching team does not need an external review to learn where their team are failing. It's the coaching team's job to find that out themselves.

 

[nickdnz]

This is mind boggling how he might stay on. It is insane.

England finish the World Cup in the pool stages, 8th in the world, not a single 6 Nations win in four years. On top of him being a bad selection to begin with - what does he generally have to do to lose the job? I'm sure he's a lovely guy - but I think as a coach he doesn't have a clue how to build a successful team.

I thought the French were bad - but at least they have decided that for all their problems - their process of selecting coaches who haven't achieved notable results, wasn't working - and after four years elect to go with a coach who has achieved a huge amount (albeit not necessarily of late) success.

The RFU will never learn from their mistakes - because in their minds they never make any.

The bit that bothers me the most:

A good coaching team does not need an external review to learn where their team are failing. It's the coaching team's job to find that out themselves.

To be honest it is just spin. I doubt Lancaster is really all that interested in the RFU's opinion of what went wrong. He'd just be much better off saying 'this is a great chance to learn and grow' than 'let's examine the fundamental failures that have occurred during my disappointing time as England coach'.