Exile teams

Feicarsinn · Apr 12, 2011

So we always hear our southern neighbours go on about how strong their teams made up of players playing abroad would be (and rightly so) but how strong a team could your own nation feed if forced to draw from outside its realms? Could you even field a XV?

Here's my go:

15) Geordan Murphy Leicester
14) Tommy Bowe Ospreys
13) James Downey Northampton
12) Kyle Tonnetti Sale
11) David Connellan Stade Aurillacois Cantal Auvergne
10) Garreth Steenson Exeter
9) Dave Moore Harlequins
8)Roger Wilson Northampton
7) Neil McMillan Sale
6) Neil Best Worchester
5) Tommy Hayes Exeter
4) Bob Casey London Irish
3) Tim Ryan Newcastle
2) Brian Blaney London Irish
1) Kieran Bookes Newcastle

16) Ruaidhri Murphy Exeter
17)
18)
19) Lewis Stevenson Harlequins
20) Damien Browne Brive
21)
22) Jeremy Staunton Leicester
23) Paul McKenzie Exeter

Others:
David Gannon
Eoin Grace
Eoghan Hickey
David McGowan

Best I could do. A winger and a scrum half would be much appreciated! It's actually an alrightish team. 2nd rows are okay, backs are fine, flyhalf cover is good. Front row is a major weakness but that's hardly a surprise.

TRF_Olyy · Apr 12, 2011

1. ????
2. ????
3. Perry Freshwater (Perpignan)
4. Tom Palmer (Stade Francais)
5. Dean Schofield (Toulon)
6. Michael Lipman (Melbourne Rebels)
7. Magnus Lund (Biarritz)
8. James Haskell (Stade Francais)
9. Shaun Perry (Brive)
10. Jonny Wilkinson (Toulon)
11. Paul Sackey (Toulon)
12. Tom May (Toulon)
13. Jamie Noone (Brive)
14. Ian Balshaw (Biarritz)
15. Danny Cipriani (Melbourne Rebels)

Can't think of a loosehead or a hooker, but that's not too bad of a team

lucky number 7 · Apr 12, 2011

Blaney is decent from what I remember ..alot of good quality players there..throw buckley in there too ..perhaps

Draggs · Apr 12, 2011

01 Ceri Jones (Harlequins)
02 ?
03 Eifion Lewis-Roberts (Sale Sharks)/Rhys Gill (Saracens)
04 Will James (Gloucester)
05 ?
06 Alix Popham (Brive)/Andy Powell (Wasps)
07 ?
08 Gareth Delve (Melbourne Rebels)
09 Dwayne Peel (Sale Sharks)
10 Nicky Robinson (Gloucester)
11 ?
12 Gavin Henson (Toulon)
13 Jamie Robinson (Agen)
14 ?
15 Nick Macleod (Sale Sharks)

TRF_Olyy · Apr 12, 2011

Draggs said:
01 Ceri Jones (Harlequins)
02 ?
03 Eifion Lewis-Roberts (Sale Sharks)/Rhys Gill (Saracens)
04 Will James (Gloucester)
05 ?
06 Alix Popham (Brive)/Andy Powell (Wasps)
07 ?
08 Gareth Delve (Melbourne Rebels)
09 Dwayne Peel (Sale Sharks)
10 Nicky Robinson (Gloucester)
11 ?
12 Gavin Henson (Toulon)
13 Jamie Robinson (Agen)
14 ?
15 Nick Macleod (Sale Sharks)

Marc Jones and Ben Roberts are both Welsh hookers at Sale Sharks

Draggs · Apr 12, 2011

TRF_Olyy said:
Marc Jones and Ben Roberts are both Welsh hookers at Sale Sharks

And they are, cheers!
We have a few props and halfbacks in the Premiership, and no wings.
Shingler and Mitchell are heading over there next year.
We can add Hook and Byrne in a few months as well.

Feicarsinn · Apr 12, 2011

Just had a look round for Welsh wingers abroad. Here's a few:

Wes Davies Cornish Pirates - Former RL
Rhodri McAtee Cornish Pirates - Wales Sevens
Aled Thomas London Welsh - Welsh Sevens

I'd also like to add Callum Black and David Blaney to our front row options.

Aedaphon · Apr 12, 2011

Well I'm not Kiwi but having thought about it it'd be near impossible to make a Kiwi ABs side during RWC year...
The players I've thought of so far are: Hayman, Dermody, Newby,Hamilton, Gopperth, Waldrom, Flutey, Hape, Reihana, Howlett

Ok more than I thought initially but hardly an extensive squad... Nearly a full back line though

Draggs · Apr 12, 2011

Add Marty Holah, Jerry Collins (Ospreys), Xavier Rush (Cardiff Blues) for the back row.
Midfield of Regan King (Scarlets) and Casey Laulala (Cardiff Blues)?
Nutbrown for scrum half

TRF_Cymro · Apr 12, 2011

Draggs said:
01 Ceri Jones (Harlequins)
02 ?
03 Eifion Lewis-Roberts (Sale Sharks)/Rhys Gill (Saracens)
04 Will James (Gloucester)
05 ?
06 Alix Popham (Brive)/Andy Powell (Wasps)
07 ?
08 Gareth Delve (Melbourne Rebels)
09 Dwayne Peel (Sale Sharks)
10 Nicky Robinson (Gloucester)
11 ?
12 Gavin Henson (Toulon)
13 Jamie Robinson (Agen)
14 ?
15 Nick Macleod (Sale Sharks)

Rhys Gill, Ben Evans, Darren Morris, Ben Broster, Ed Shervington, Marc Breeze, Mike Powell, Jonathan Mills, Lee Beach, Rhys Oakley, Andy Williams, Robert Lewis, Darren Allison, Ryan Powell, Warren Fury, Ceiron Thomas, James Lewis, Rob Higgitt, Tom Cheeseman, Phil Dollman, Hefin O'Hare (Welsh Rugby League / Scotland 7s), Rhodri McAtee, Aled Thomas

Aedaphon · Apr 13, 2011

Draggs said:
Add Marty Holah, Jerry Collins (Ospreys), Xavier Rush (Cardiff Blues) for the back row.
Midfield of Regan King (Scarlets) and Casey Laulala (Cardiff Blues)?
Nutbrown for scrum half

I have absolutely no idea how I forgot Jerry Collins... The Terminator :lol:

Darwin · Apr 13, 2011

Aedaphon said:
Well I'm not Kiwi but having thought about it it'd be near impossible to make a Kiwi ABs side during RWC year...
The players I've thought of so far are: Hayman, Dermody, Newby,Hamilton, Gopperth, Waldrom, Flutey, Hape, Reihana, Howlett

Ok more than I thought initially but hardly an extensive squad... Nearly a full back line though

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I disagree â€" there are still a pile of ex-NZ players overseas, despite it being RWC year. A few players did come back to NZ in the hope of getting a RWC spot (Jack, MacAlister), but these players are in the minority.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Here is a list of players (that I have adapted from elsewhere) of NZ players playing overseas (excluding those who have gone overseas and are now playing for their adopted country). It is far from a comprehensive list, but does include at least 30 ex-ABâ€™s.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hookers:[FONT=&quot] Tiâ€™i Paulo, Tom Willis, Toni Kopelani, Joe Ward, Ged Robinson.
Props: Carl Hayman, Carl Hoeft, Campbell Johnstone, Ben Castle, Craig Dermody, Tim Fairbrother, Sione Taumopeau, Greg Sommerville,Peter Borlase
Locks: Kevin O'Neill, Troy Flavell, Paul ***o, Michael Paterson, Kristen Ormsby, Ross Filipo, Sean Hohneck, Bernie Upton, Hoani MacDonald, Greg Rawlinson
Loosies: Marty Holah,Jerry Collins, Chris Masoe, Xavier Rush, Nick Williams, Mose Tuiali'i, Thomas Waldrom, Sione Lauaki, Craig Newby, Johnny Leo'o, Ezra Taylor, Angus MacDonald, Filo Tiatia, Josh Blackie, George Naoupu, Alex Tulou, Tom Chamberlain
Halfbacks: Byron Kelleher, Kevin Senio, Jamie Nutbrown, Danny Lee, Kevin Spice, David Gibson[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]First fives:[FONT=&quot] Nick Evans, Cameron McIntyre, Daniel Bowden, Andrew Mehrtens, Jimmy Gopperth, Carlos Spencer, Blair Stewart, Miah Nikora, Hamish Gard, Mike Harris, Willie Walker, David Hill, Willie Ripia
Second fives: Callum Bruce, Tamati Ellison, Tim Bateman, Sam Tuitupou
Centres: Casey Laulala, Regan King, Tane Tu'ipolotu, Lemi Mafi, Niva Ta'auso, Neil Brew
Wingers: Doug Howlett, Rico Gear, Antony Tuitavake, Sosene Anesi, Shannon Paku, Vili Waqaseduadua, Joe Maddock, Caleb Ralph, Scott Hamilton, Brad Fleming
Fullbacks: Ben Blair, Oreni Ai'i, Bruce Reihana[/FONT][/FONT]

ranger · Apr 13, 2011

Rudi Wulf, Wayne Ormond, Clint Newland, Steve Yates, Murray Williams, Tafai Ioasa, Jason Kawau, Steven Bates, Dan Quate, Grant McQuoid, Josh Levi,
Jake Parangatai, Roy Kiniknilau, Nigel Hunt, Hoani Tui, Jason Shoemark, Tim Molenaar, Andrew van der Heijden, Mark Sorenson, Kristian Ormsby, Ole Avei, Sam Harding, Henry Speight are a few more.

TRF_Cymro · Apr 13, 2011

darwin_23 said:
 [FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]I disagree – there are still a pile of ex-NZ players overseas, despite it being RWC year. A few players did come back to NZ in the hope of getting a RWC spot (Jack, MacAlister), but these players are in the minority.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Here is a list of players (that I have adapted from elsewhere) of NZ players playing overseas (excluding those who have gone overseas and are now playing for their adopted country). It is far from a comprehensive list, but does include at least 30 ex-AB's.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hookers:[FONT=&quot] Ti'i Paulo, Tom Willis, Toni Kopelani, Joe Ward, Ged Robinson.
Props: Carl Hayman, Carl Hoeft, Campbell Johnstone, Ben Castle, Craig Dermody, Tim Fairbrother, Sione Taumopeau, Greg Sommerville,Peter Borlase
Locks: Kevin O'Neill, Troy Flavell, Paul ***o, Michael Paterson, Kristen Ormsby, Ross Filipo, Sean Hohneck, Bernie Upton, Hoani MacDonald, Greg Rawlinson
Loosies: Marty Holah,Jerry Collins, Chris Masoe, Xavier Rush, Nick Williams, Mose Tuiali'i, Thomas Waldrom, Sione Lauaki, Craig Newby, Johnny Leo'o, Ezra Taylor, Angus MacDonald, Filo Tiatia, Josh Blackie, George Naoupu, Alex Tulou, Tom Chamberlain
Halfbacks: Byron Kelleher, Kevin Senio, Jamie Nutbrown, Danny Lee, Kevin Spice, David Gibson[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]First fives:[FONT=&quot] Nick Evans, Cameron McIntyre, Daniel Bowden, Andrew Mehrtens, Jimmy Gopperth, Carlos Spencer, Blair Stewart, Miah Nikora, Hamish Gard, Mike Harris, Willie Walker, David Hill, Willie Ripia
Second fives: Callum Bruce, Tamati Ellison, Tim Bateman, Sam Tuitupou
Centres: Casey Laulala, Regan King, Tane Tu'ipolotu, Lemi Mafi, Niva Ta'auso, Neil Brew
Wingers: Doug Howlett, Rico Gear, Antony Tuitavake, Sosene Anesi, Shannon Paku, Vili Waqaseduadua, Joe Maddock, Caleb Ralph, Scott Hamilton, Brad Fleming
Fullbacks: Ben Blair, Oreni Ai'i, Bruce Reihana[/FONT][/FONT]

Good list pity some of those boys have retired e.g. Danny Lee, some are still playing in the Super15 despite playing for Australian / SA Super sides and Waldrom is set to become English

Otherwise a pretty hefty list.

ranger · Apr 13, 2011

TRF_Cymro said:
Good list pity some of those boys have retired e.g. Danny Lee, some are still playing in the Super15 despite playing for Australian / SA Super sides and Waldrom is set to become English

Otherwise a pretty hefty list.

I don't see the distinction between playing overseas and playing overseas in the same competition. They are still lost to the All Blacks and NZ rugby as a whole

TRF_Cymro · Apr 13, 2011

ranger said:
I don't see the distinction between playing overseas and playing overseas in the same competition. They are still lost to the All Blacks and NZ rugby as a whole

Probably because they still are eligible for selection through playing in Super 15 rather than the Avia Prem, Top 14, Magners League etc

Aedaphon · Apr 13, 2011

Well I'd still count Flutey and Hape as Kiwi players abroad. And like I said profuse apologies to darwin_23, I'm not from New Zealand so I thought I'd do the best I could with the stand out players I could think of. I've heard of (at a push) 20% of those players.

Charles · Apr 13, 2011

TRF_Cymro said:
Probably because they still are eligible for selection through playing in Super 15 rather than the Avia Prem, Top 14, Magners League etc

Are you sure about that? Any link?

TRF_Cymro · Apr 13, 2011

Charles said:
Are you sure about that? Any link?

Based off what I read some 4-5 years go off the internet ... granted the policy is not to pick overseas but it only said NH competitions.

To be honest do NZ need the likes of Somverville?

ranger · Apr 13, 2011

TRF_Cymro said:
Probably because they still are eligible for selection through playing in Super 15 rather than the Avia Prem, Top 14, Magners League etc

No thats not right.. the rule is no overseas players, Australia and South Africa is still overseas. Thats why they made such a fuss of getting Daniel Braid back from the Reds, he was playing well enough to make the All Blacks but ineligible for selection while over there.

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