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It seems that all the players suffering from memory loss played in the noughties. Did players before that not have memory loss or was it just covered up in the 80s and 90s?
 
A] "It seems" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
B] Before the noughties, rugby was amateur, or essentially so. There were fewer collisions, between smaller people, who were less intent on dominating each collision.
C] Before the noughties, rugby was amateur, or essentially so. Players didn't earn their living by playing rugby, so there was less training, fewer domineering coaches, and fewer mortgages relying on getting back on the pitch; so whilst less was known about concussion, and there was a greater culture of "man up" there was also less urgency to return to rugby.
D] Those who were playing in the 80s and 90s (and 70s and 60s and 50s and...) were in a greater culture of "man up" and would feel massive shame about admitting something like this.
E] Those who were playing in the 70s and 80s are notably older than those playing in the 00s and 10s - to the point that, by the time the risk of memory loss was an acknowledged risk, they'd be at an age where a degree of memory loss would be considered a normal part of aging.
 
It seems that all the players suffering from memory loss played in the noughties. Did players before that not have memory loss or was it just covered up in the 80s and 90s?
No but there was proper rucking back then, players didn't play as many games as tackling tended to focus more on the legs. Also players where more athletic and less bulky so collisions were less impactful.
 
No but there was proper rucking back then, players didn't play as many games as tackling tended to focus more on the legs. Also players where more athletic and less bulky so collisions were less impactful.

Was watching a bit of the ABs vs Wal game from 1978 earlier. Bill McLaren described "two huge packs averaging 15 st 7lb"

Or to put it another way a Henry Slade.

Interesting that it’s intended that a lot of the marketing around the future English top flight is going to be based around huge collisions. Bit of a throwback to Nike and England in the 1990s “It’s not the winning, it’s the taking apart” etc. Might have thought things had moved on a tad in light of what we now know.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/23/brain-injuries-concussion-rugby-union-rugby-league
Lawyers for the claimants seem a touch amateur, despite "being backed by a commercial litigation funder"

I'm also calling bullshit on "the firm lacked the resources to comply with the impossible task of providing full medical records for every one of the players involved" since GDPR - it takes the resources of... 1 letter to the individual's GP
Almost certainly some ambulance chasing going on here.
 
This is from a year ago, but I'd missed it - also doesn't suggest good things from Rylands Garth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/cr75kkrdrm5oParticularly
He said that, despite telling Rylands Garth of a second contradictory diagnosis, they "still pressed me to sign up for the group action, sending multiple emails pressuring me".

He added: "To do so would have perpetrated a fraud on the court because the claimant's medical experts' diagnosis was found to be wrong.
 
Looks very much like an SPV to try and hoover up costs. Boardman is the only partner/lawyer and the firm was only set up in '22 so the claims on their website are rather hollow.

The registered office is basically a PO Box - lots of companies do it, but not reputable solicitors

Owes over a million quid in taxes. Still solvent, but I'd like to dig into the prepayments and debtors figures to see how much of that is real and how much is projected.

Absolute chancer that's found a goldmine imo.

Having worked with litigation funders for some time I'm surprised they're working with him, funders tend to be quite cautious.
 
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Sorry, single purpose vehicle. A company set up with one aim which is to either make a shitload of money, hold property for a time, or fail to do so and allow its directors and shareholders to wash their hands of any mess if it goes wrong.

This is what Rolands Garth looks like to me. Their sole partner won't even put his name to the firm which is smelly in itself. I don't know the name of the funder.

I would say they seem to be less diligent than the funders I've dealt with - the article hints that 200 odd cases haven't been properly vetted and disclosed which is odd when they're putting so much money on the line and even risking being joined to the proceedings.
 
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/23/brain-injuries-concussion-rugby-union-rugby-league
Lawyers for the claimants seem a touch amateur, despite "being backed by a commercial litigation funder"

I'm also calling bullshit on "the firm lacked the resources to comply with the impossible task of providing full medical records for every one of the players involved" since GDPR - it takes the resources of... 1 letter to the individual's GP

Champerty and maintenence are fully legal in the UK so commercial litigation funders aren't rare over there. They're a pretty big industry.

I don't know how different the process is in E&W but that's not how GDPR has affected the discovery process in Ireland. Getting medical records is a notoriously painful, long and difficult process and is usually processed under the Freedom of Information Act instead.
 
Champerty and maintenence are fully legal in the UK so commercial litigation funders aren't rare over there. They're a pretty big industry.

I don't know how different the process is in E&W but that's not how GDPR has affected the discovery process in Ireland. Getting medical records is a notoriously painful, long and difficult process and is usually processed under the Freedom of Information Act instead.
I've no idea how rare or otherwise they are - it's the ethics I question.

As for GDPR - as a medical provider - once a request has been received, I've a legal duty to provide a copy of the patient's notes within 28 days, free of charge, no excuses.
If burdensome, then I can charge printing and postage costs - complete with receipt. Generally it's emailing a pdf (password protected), or patient turning up with a USB stick.
 
I've no idea how rare or otherwise they are - it's the ethics I question.

As for GDPR - as a medical provider - once a request has been received, I've a legal duty to provide a copy of the patient's notes within 28 days, free of charge, no excuses.
If burdensome, then I can charge printing and postage costs - complete with receipt. Generally it's emailing a pdf (password protected), or patient turning up with a USB stick.

The ethics is something that is pretty thoroughly debated and why it's illegal in Ireland. There are pros and cons on both sides for example it arguably gives access to justice to claimants who otherwise could not afford it and from what I understand it is a tightly regulated industry in the UK.

I'm well aware of the time limits imposed by GDPR. However, I'm just telling you that from my experience as a solicitor used to dealing with personal injuries and medical negligence that is not how it plays out here as another country where GDPR applies.
 
FTR - I've had further feedback on that same comment elsewhere - and the difficulty seems to come down to the subject access request coming from the patient's representative, not the patient themself - which is much more limited in scope, as their only eligible for "only the information that is pertinent to your need". Which means a GP sitting down, knowing what your need is, and going through the patient's entire history and deciding what is or isn't "pertinent to your need". GPs famously loving paperwork, and having loads of spare time to dedicate to this, whilst not being paid a penny to do so.

As a chiropractor, we don't have this, and we just send the whole lot, because anything biomechanical could be pertinent. We also generally get requests direct from the patient.
As a side-note, you'd be amazed how many access requests from solicitors don't come with any actual consent to release the notes; which is the biggest hold-up I've come across.
 
Champerty and maintenence are fully legal in the UK so commercial litigation funders aren't rare over there. They're a pretty big industry.
Whilst legal, they still carry enormous risk, all the funders I've worked with want 60%+ cases after a barrister has gone over the details before they'll even consider taking it on (other than the funder that turned out to be a pyramid scheme and collapsed. Oops a daisy). This outfit sound like chancers
 
Just a side note here, I went to my doctors regarding an issue with my hip and mentioned when I’d fractured it previously playing rugby and there were no records at all of the break, scans, rehab etc. I then mentioned my back and herniated discs and they also didn’t have the records of those injuries.

When I asked the doctor said that the hospitals didn’t always used to send over their scans/ treatments etc.

So I wonder if the medical records are very incomplete if players had club physios/ doctors/ seen a GP and or went to a hospital.
 
Looks like Rylands Garth continues to be an absolute shitshow

Brain injury legal action faces threat of collapse

Rugby's multi-million-pound concussion legal action could be close to collapse as the game's authorities push for clarity on whether a deadline for information on the vast majority of the 1,200 cases involved has been breached.

The two sets of lawyers have clashed over the collection and sharing of information related to former players since the action began in 2020.

"In view of the continued failure to comply with the unless order [a time-bound directive] made by the court, which required full and proper disclosure of relevant information related to the claim... the defendants have applied for a declaration that many of the claims are now struck out," read a statement from World Rugby, the Welsh Rugby Union and the Rugby Football Union.

"It is disappointing that despite repeated warnings from the court, Rylands Garth [lawyers representing the players] have still failed to comply with the terms of the court and the defendants have been forced to take this step."

ARTICLE CONTINUES
 
I get that they disagree with the court, but ultimately it's the court that decides. Saying they're wrong isn't going to change anything, so either provide the reports or admit you can't.
 
https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/cx27my7j2r7o

Still continuing. How badly have the players representatives ****** this up?

I feel at this stage the only logical possibility is that Ryland Garth or whoever is representing the players knows there is not enough evidence and is milking the players as much as possible.

I don't see how the players can be happy with the situation.
 
https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/cx27my7j2r7o

Still continuing. How badly have the players representatives ****** this up?

I feel at this stage the only logical possibility is that Ryland Garth or whoever is representing the players knows there is not enough evidence and is milking the players as much as possible.

I don't see how the players can be happy with the situation.

Im not sure its the representitives fault, there are too many bad actors and dodgy buggers involved.

I know at least 2 welsh former players involved in the case who have been, and still are massive coke heads. One of which was black and blue the last time i saw him last year after getting into another coked up fight... the idea the WRU didnt safeguard him against head contacts with massive alcohol, drug and violent abuses committed so regularly is laughable.

Having played rugby at the same time as a lot of these guys, drills were crude and brutal, there were regular head injuries, but these were never encouraged and were treated the best way possible. When i went on to coach to a decent standard from around 2012 head injury avoidance was already massive...

I struggle to feel too bad of im being honest, i get there are big examples where i feel for the individuals, but most of these case i struggle
 
How is it not the representatives fault for failing to obey a court order?

Either they have the medical records and don't want to hand them over, or they don't have the medical records, and therefore don't have anything to bring to court.
There's technically a 3rd option that the medical records are bound by confidentiality - which A] has been over-ruled by the judge, and B[ means that they don't have anything to bring to court.
I guess there's a 4th option that the players have simply lied to their representatives - which is the representatives fault for not checking the medical records - without which they have no case.
 
How is it not the representatives fault for failing to obey a court order?

Either they have the medical records and don't want to hand them over, or they don't have the medical records, and therefore don't have anything to bring to court.
There's technically a 3rd option that the medical records are bound by confidentiality - which A] has been over-ruled by the judge, and B[ means that they don't have anything to bring to court.
I guess there's a 4th option that the players have simply lied to their representatives - which is the representatives fault for not checking the medical records - without which they have no case.

Ye thats my point, most of those involved have jumped on the bandwagon, the coke heads i mentioned I guarentee have no records to show, theyve been going around bragging for a while about what payout they expect, I'm willing to bet a huge amount of these cases have similar issues, either lack of evidence, or the evidence is comprimised through a life time of abusing themselves etc...
 

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