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Originally posted by Gameinformer
The official Grand Theft Auto IV trailer has gone live, and while you can download that here, the only other place you’re going to get any information about the game is from Game Informer Magazine. That’s right, Game Informer Magazine’s May Cover Story is the World Exclusive first look at Grand Theft Auto IV!

Sorry, that’s all the people at Rockstar will allow us to say at this time. You’ll have to wait patiently until the May issue ships before you get anything more on the game.

When does Game Informer usually come out?
I bought Just Cause today base off of your recomendations...pretty fun. I haven't quite nailed down controlling things, but I've had a good time.
When does Game Informer usually come out? [/b]

It's says May magazine, so it'll probably be out the middle of April. Whenever you subscribe to a magazine, you will get the next issue a few days before it states in previous magazine. I have subscribed to a mag that is due out once a fortnight on a Thursday, I normally get it on the Monday.
Not sure how many people have seen it, but the Gameinformer Article has leaked/released early/whatever, here is all the text (there are images, but they are preety blurry) - This was retyped by hand by some guy on GTAForums so there is bound to be mistakes. No Planes, NYC is the only city but its apparently massive, Main Character is called Nico and is Eastern European.

Originally posted by Game Informer
Like Bellic, Grand Theft Auto is traveling to a place where many people have gone to find the so-called "American Dream." Some people call it the Capital of the World. Others have learned that it is the City That Never Sleeps. No matter what you call it, New York City is a place where anything can happen. It is the biggest stage in the world, and the perfect place to usher in the next step for the series.

This new entry marks a number of dramatic changes for the series, but it isn't Grand Theft Auto merging with the real world. New York City doesn't exsist in this universe, and it likely never will. The Big Apple is simply being used as an inspiration bluepoint for the re-cretaion of Liberty City, a place some gamers have gotten to know better than their hometowns. While the original Liberty City took many visual cues from New York City, this dramatic reinvention of the fictional metropolis seeks to capture the feel of the world's greatest city like never before.

Despite its incredibly large stature, the next installment in the sries has remained one of the best kept secrets in the world. Rumours have swirled and speculation has been raised, but nothing that you've heard or read is even close to the truth. Some people thought Grand Theft Auto IV was going to become a massively multi-player experience; others were certain the game would take place across the entire world. A few misinfroemd souls even thought the next iteration would be set in space. The truth of the matter, however, is that it's going back to the city that made this series a phenomenon.

The new Liberty City is a bustling metropolis that is desnse on the streets and intimidating vertically. Many of New York City's iconic sights fid new homes here, and may look strikingly similar, but are twisted to fit into the Grand Theft Auto would. The MetLife building now bears the name Getalife, the Stature of Liberty is now the Stature of Happiness, and DUMBO (Down Under the Manhattan Bridge Overpass) is called BOABO (Beneath the Offramp of the Algonquin Bridge Overpass).

"We live here," notes the game's vice president of creative Dan Houser, "We've been here for a number of years. Even the guys in Scotland spend lots of time here with us. I was an enviroment we felt had never been done to the level we were envisioning it in a video game. Form looking at all of the locations, this was the one that really stood out to us, and really had that impact. IT has all of these iconic things that you couldn't put into a game before."

Within Grand Theft Auto IV, Rockstar North has recreated four of the five boroughs that make up New York City, as well as a section of New Jersey. It's a smaller geographical mass than San Andreas, but not an inch of this world is wasted or dedicated to vast streches of country or desert. It's a tightly packed metropolis that captures the eye with its decades of world-class architecture, sun-blocking towers, and extraordinary walks of life. In the GTA universe, Brooklyn has been transformed to Broker, Manhatten has mutated into Algonquin,Queens is now Dukes, The Bronx is Bohan, and New Jersey has become Alerney.

"It's not the full city", injects Houser, "It's an approximation thereof. We make a city that feels like the real thing, but is perfectly tuned for gameplay in the broadest sense. The world is not designed to be a video game. We are trying to make a video game that feels like the world, but still plays like a video game." The design of the city and the missions that unfold within it are designed hand-in-hand and complement each other perfectly. Everything in this world is here for a reason, where it is directly tied to gameplay or simply there to create atmmosphere.

"We are trying to give the city next-generation life. Trying to give it the felling of being there. The feeling of - which to us is always a big part of a GTA game - walking the streets or driving them slowly, watching the life go by, trying to make that a lot more engaging," says Houser.

"We are trying to make this something that is more fun, more believeable, more alive than it has ever been. That is something we've done a huge amount of work on. To give lots of varied bahaviours to the pedestraisn, make them mroe context sensitive, more dependant on the environment.

Something that we've done bits of in the past, and really blow that out. When you see the streets, and see that this person's smoking, another person is on the phone, and this other person is sitting on a bench, it looks amazing. It feels a lot more real than just a lot of people walking down the street."

This city is brought to life with an amazing level of realism. Sunlight flistens beautifully off of glasswork, illuminates the intricate detailing of century old brick, and even relveals how realistic an ordinary bag of trash can look. As the sun begins to set the city takes on a whole different appearance. Buildings that were once eye popping attractions slowly become ominous obelisks. As any New Yorker will tell you, there is a big difference between New York during the day and New York at night. Liberty City will perfectly capture this quality.

Even the texturing of the Algonquin streets, which are filled with crater-like potholes and occasional glimpses of the brick used in a world gone by, are greatly varied in design and something you can't tear your eye from. The visual makeup of the city "was something we could capture real well and really understand the minute aspects of its personality," adds Houser. "Trying to put that into a videogame is something that we think is unique to the video game medium. It was a wayy that we could capture some aspects of the experience of living there that you couldn't put into a film, you couldn't put into a TV show, and you couldn't put into a book - because you are actually wandering about and meeting some of the freaks that you meet on the streets here. And that's what it is all about - meeting the same kind of the freaks that you meet on the streets, the angry yuppies you'd met there. A big part of New York life is walking around the streets and meeting lunatics. That's something that we definitely tried to put into the game. We are trying to give it that life and difference between the neighborhoods and the difference between the kinds of people. We are tying to capture that Capital of the World aspect of New York. There are lots of non-American characters in the game."

One of these foreigners is Niko Bellic. His home is in Eastern Europe, and he likely may never have traveled to Liverty City if it wasn't for his cousin Roman. With life not working out in the homeland, "Bellic turns up in Liberty City because he has been receiving emails from his cousin Roman, that read like: 'I love this amazing life, it's the American Dream come true. I have two women. I have 4 hot tubs. I have fifteen sports cars,'"

The demo we were fortunate enough to see, running on an XBOX 360, begins with Bellic standing inside of the tazi depot that Roman runs of the borough of Broker in a converted industrial garage. The game's newfound graphical muscle dances across the screen. Roman's desk is cluttered with garbage and paperwork, the walls desperately need a new coat of paint, and the windows of the depot appear to never have been cleaned. The sun is hining brightly outside, but you wouldn't know it from the light that is passing through the windows, a dirty, yellowish hue that barely gives off enough illumination for operations to be conducted. The only life that this office has is a radio belting out music in ear-piercing mono, and Bellic, standing tall, confident, and ready for action.

While Bellic could do his cousin a favor by tidying up the blace, he has other buisness to take care of. As he leaves the office, you feel the weight behind each step he makes. Variations in the terrain are met with realistic changes in the walking animation. As bellic turns and manuvers his body in different ways on the walk, you can see that his movements are fueled by an incredible physics engine.

"The physics are going to be pretty amazing," Houser interjects. "We are tryung, like all things with the game, to push the physics forward. Physics is an area where games can get much better. If you are into third-person action games, physics need to be amazing. The feeling of controlling your character needs to be amazing. The feeling of ruunning around that environment, climbing over things, needs to be a lot more than it has been. The animationsn can't feel canned and predictable. One of our biggest goals early in development is that it should feel different than any other game. It shouldn't be 'Oh here's a really good looking, but stiff character'"

Bellic is anything but stiff and it would appear that he isn't the most sensitive or honest lad around, either. His walk concludes at a brown-stone. Despite the two people - friends, possibly neighbors - having a conversation on the stoop next door, Bellic pushes the door open - again a motion fueled by the sense of weight and a realistic accompanying animation. It becomes obvious that this isn't Bellic's house, as he quicly clings too a wall and pulls out a pistol.

One quick look around the corner reveals that the living room, furnished in '70s browns and greens, is not occupied. Bellic slowly slides into the room with his pistol drawn highand pointed to a well-lit kitchen. With one leg stepping over the other in a strafing motion, he then sees that the kitchen is clear as well. There's nobody in this small house. The urgency in his steps intensifies, and he pushes his way through the back door. Once on the street, he makes a beeline for a parked car - a beautifully detailed and finely polished red four-door that appears to be the primary mode of transportation for one of the brokers successful families. Instead of trying the handle to see if the car is unlocked, Bellic smashes the window with his elbow. The glass tumbles on the street and seat as Bellic unlocks the door from the inside. A master of hotwiring, he has the car roaring in a second flat. As he drives to his next destination, HOuser points out that all the vehicles in the game also feature new physics. The camera angle behind the car is noticeably closer than it has been in any other Grand Theft Auto. Not only does this bring out better detail in the vehicles, it allows players to see more of the verticality of the city.

After fussing with the radio stations and finding a calming melody for his drive, Bellic cautiously navigates a section of the BOABO arriving at a dockside area with an amazing view of downtown Liberty and it's skyline. At the dock, the squawks of pigeons and the rustling of waves drown out the horns and chatter of the city's residents and you can almost sense that Bellic is calmed by the change in scenery. After walking directly over to the water, which looks completely lifelike, he puts a leg up onto a broken concrete wall and pulls out his cell phone onto the HUD. The options presented on the phones LCD are Phonebook, Messages, Organizer and Camera. After selecting Phonebook, Bellic is faced with another set of options: City Contact, Docks Friend and Cab Contact. We're not sure who Bellic ends up calling, but after a brief conversation, he informs the man on the other end of the line to meet him at the docks.
A New Level Of Freedom.

"In all the previous GTA games you might have felt like a slave," opines Houser. "You are ordered by people to do things. Now, there's still going to be an element of that because you are an underling that people tell what to do for large parts of the game, but you can also choose how you want to spend your time. I want to hang out with him and her. I want to go and see this guy because he always has fun things to do. Call him up and maybe you can hang with him. Maybe he'll answer. That's a fun way of navigating the story and navigating the world and your time in it. You have a lot of choice over what you want to do."

Storytelling is a huge focus in this next installment, and it will be reflected through the various ways you can interact with the city and its denizens. According to Houser, Rockstar North is giving people more freedom, more choice and more sense of control over the destiny. The game still follows and narrative path, but it's quite different in it's structure. "The story is told in a number of different ways," adds Houser. "But we've tried to replicate as many ways possible that you engage with people. There's talking [in person], cell phones and a bunch of other way of giving the player information. We are trying to use that kind of stuff to give you back a front story, or to explain character motivation."

"You still meet people, get missions by them, do the missions, and if you do well they will help you. Or they may stab you in the back. We tried to provide more diversity in the missions. We tried to provide certain choices about the missions. We've tried to give branches that maybe give you a critical choice, new ways of interacting with characters, and new ways of interacting with the world. It's a different kind of experience." In previous GTA ***les, the goal was always very clear cut. You start out small and work your way up to the top. Bellic's story isn't a rag-to-riches tale, nor is it rags-to-rags. It's rags to somewhere in between - leaving a word of imagination as to where his actions will bring him - especially with Rockstar hinting heavily at the idea of players plotting there own destiny. When asked about this, Houser points out that "you are just one fish in the big pond of the other fish. New York motivation isn't just about turning up here and becoming king. That's an impossible goal"

Over the last console generation, GTA has become a series of period pieces. Vice city was set in the '80s, and San Andreas took place in the '90s. Not since GTA III, a game also featuring Liberty Cit, has Rockstar North approached a contemporary piece. In GTA I, we are stepping into Liberty city as seen in 2007. It's a bigger city, and a different age. These are both things that could have a huge effect on the way that you approach your criminal activities.

"From conversations we had with a lot of crime experts and a lot of ex-policemen, we learned that it's very hard to be a criminal nowadays," Houser says with a smile. "The glory days of stuff are over. That was something we definitely tried to capture in the story and the experience of the game. People are constantly getting arrested. The police are a heavy presence."
In terms of scale, this GTA experience shouldn't be much different than San Andreas.' The only noticeable difference is that players won't be able to pilot airplanes. "There are no planes because it's just a city," adds Houser. "Apart from the fact that [the vehicles] are similar. We want it to feel realistic and gritty. [Bellic] is not going to be riding a unicycle or rollerblading. We are giving choice and variety that feels right for that character. We're not suddenly saying there are no motorbikes. We are keeping all of that stuff. It's the same range and diversity that we had but to fit the character."

Speaking of elements of the game that bring out the realism of the character, Houser admits that Rockstar North is approaching the recruitment of voice actors in a different way. Reading between the lines, this likely means less familiar voices, and more voices that fit the desired attitude of the characters. Bellic's deep Eastern European accent fits his gritty exterior, and the chatter heard in streets just screams New York.

The same thought process is being applied to the soundtrack and radio stations. "we've raided the past heavily," Houser admits. "We are going to get some great music that works with the 2007 Liberty City. We've set the benchmark for game soundtracks in the past, and I don't think we've been surpassed in that; I think we've done some really amazing stuff. I think we are going to do something wicked this time. We're pretty confident on that. It's a great way of giving you, the player, a part of the experience in a way no other medium can. You can have songs that fit your mood. I want this music to be hardcore because I am in a hardcore mood. Going out for a date with a girl, so I need something more romantic, We pick tracks that fit the tempo of the game. It's not a pedal-to-the-metal racing game. It's an urban cruising gangster game. We pick music that we think works with that kind of experience. It's got to be a certain temp or certain feel no mater what genre it's in. The debate that goes into every single track you wold not believe. There are a large number of music fans that pick this stuff."

With more realistic tones accompanying the visuals, it's east to think this GTA experience will abandon the series' trademark humor for more serious content. It will certainly feel like more of a realistic experience, but the humor will still be fully intact. Wether you are listening to advertisements on the radio, hear someone mumble something on the street or read a billboard, Liberty City will still be a wild place. The same team with the same sense of humor, is bringing this game to life.

This is something that even now Houser finds amazing. "Some people talk about it like it's a franchise. I think of it as a series of games made by the same people. Since GTA III, we still have exactly the same people. We've added some great people on top of that, but it's the same two lead programmers, the same physics guy, same producer, same, executive producer, same writer, sane audio guys, same designers. They are all in place. No one's left. "That's what is so exciting. And what's been such a great experience for everyone involved in working on these games is that we managed to develop it as a core group together we haven't lost any of the key talent. They've added great people in there. That kind of consistency has given everyone confidence in working with each other, and an understanding of what we are trying to do, and an ambition that I don't think is matched anywhere else. Where people come and people go. and the franchise lives on. The franchise is he people who make this game - it's the core group of people. I think that's something that sets us apart from a lost of places."

It's that and the fact that the team is trying things that no one has ever done with video games. GTA brought a new definition to the Action genre, and showed us that not every decision that the player makes has to be linear and tide to a path. WIth GTA IV, the team is finding new ways to approach storytelling, movement and the level of interaction the payer has within the world. This tight-knit team continues to improve with each new product it touches. Some of the content is amusing, like being able to call a woman for a date, And some of it's achievements simply blow your mind, such as load times. After and initial loading sequence, the game will never load again - even when you transition between interior and exterior locations.

Rather than outsourcing technology that Rockstar North utilizes, Rockstar as a whole has step up a studio of programmers in San Diego that does nothing but work on the companies proprietary technologies. The engine of note is called R.A.G.E (Rockstar Advanced Game Engine). You already got a bried taste of it with Table Tennis, and will get a much larger does when GTA IV hits the streets on Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 on October 16. Both versions of the game will likely be identical, but Rockstar has confirmed downloadable content will be exclusive to the Xbox 360 version. This content is said to be sizable, and when asked about whether or not we would see this impressive new take on Liberty City living on past one game Houser grins and says one thing: "episodic content." Like all of the GTAs that have come before this one, the experience is largely for the single player. The game will have multiplayer however. "Yes, there will be some" House comments. "It's not going to be a MMOG. But we are trying to make something that is interesting, fun and progressive and goes nicely alongside the single player game." It's been in development for over three years and Houser isn't shy about admitting that this has been a lengthy experience already. "We knew to do something at this scale would take a very long time. Just to make graphics like that is very time consuming. The assets are big and Heavy."

Whether it changes the face of gaming again like it did in the previous generation remains to be seen, but Rockstar North knows exactly where this series needs to go next, and is running that extra mile to get it there and make it a new experience yet again.

Houser equates the leap that this installment is making to that which the series made between the first GTA and GTa III.
This is a huge step to make - something that we haven't witnessed yet on the next-generation machines. "Everyone always says, "Books tell you something, movies show you something and games let you do something.' [That is why games] were more interesting," says Houser. "And that was why games were going to take over. Games let you be somewhere. That's an amazing quality. That is something you just can't get from any other medium. The chance to exist in this fantasy world be it Liberty City, Be it Mars, or wherever, I think is a really interesting side of what gamers are going to offer as an artistic medium and as an entertainment medium. What we tried to do this time was massively enhance the experience of being there. Completely transform it so that the way the story unfolds, the way you deal with characters, the way the world behaves, the things you can do all them give you this reason why you might want to be there and this, sensation of living in this world.
Granted it's in good taste but it's also slightly disappointing if not entirely unexpected.
Although the logic behind it is sound, the whole "Its just one city so it won't be plausible... but this is going to be one hell of a city? I mean it's slightly smaller than the San Andreas Map, but I thought the size of Los Santos was big enough, a city that is 5 or 6 that size?

As long as theirs helicopters i'll be happy.
massive let down for me

half the fun of sa was jumping out of them

hopefully gyrocopters of heli's are involved

and other means of getting around - like skateboards, buses, trains, boats.

if i get texas hold em.................i am all in!!!!
those pictures look awesome!!!!

what's up with everybody wanting planes? i didn't think they made SA that much more fun... i prefer motorbikes.. i guess it just comes down to personal preference..
those screenshots look excellent...I can't wait to play this in HD on my 360.

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